TPLF's proxy war on the Oromo is now moving from the east, where we border somalis, to the west, in Maccaa land

[Waachis]

Waachis, a huge issue amongst what’s going on now is ODP. They may have changed their name but it’s the same OPDO that was killing their own Oromos yesterday.

This system and political group known as EPRDF is at fault to every kill and unjust within the Ethiopian borders for the last 27 years and the future kills until they are removed. We already see the struggle ODP is having within Oromia as most the support is towards the OLF and it’s ally the OFC. The ODF merging with the ODP was a move to try to get at OLF supporters but it won’t work. People see Leencho as a traitor.

Yes wayane has a lot of blood on their hands with the ongoing conflicts but the ODP are ruling the country. If they can’t stop what’s going on, then why support them?

Oromos need to see ODP for what they really are. They’d side and pick Amharas over their own. They have no love or support in the east and lost it in the west. It’s a matter of time before they’ve lost to an either merger group of OLF and OFC or one of the 2.

I think you're exaggerating a bit there.
Even though personally I love ABO more than OPDO, I give credit where it's due, and without coordination of Qeerroo and OPDO, we wouldn't have seen the current and recent changes.
Opdo helped oppose the master plan, its police and militias refused to do tplfs bidding, it led efforts to welcome ABO back home even, despite not wanting to lose power to them, etc.
ABO was practically doing nothing.
Eritrea doesn't border oromia.
I'm happy they're home now and actively Recruiting, and they should never ever disarm, I don't care what anyone says. I've had fierce debates with oromo brothers on facebook about this issue too, I cannot believe any oromo would want to disarm Warrana Bilisummaa Oromo..
Anyways...
I tend to lean towards the theory that tplf is arming and funding the gumuz militias to kill oromo, but the army is there now, and making arrests, so let's see if that changes things.
If not, oromo will arm themselves, as they should've done long ago, and do the job of defending our people.
ABO told oromo to be ready to defend themselves, and I agree, do not depend on anyone, but our own people, Ummata Oromo.

Please tell me what they’ve done for eastern regions? They promoted the same man who was in charge of Arsi zone, who kept a blind eye when his ppl were being slaughtered by the TPLF during the protests, the same position in eastern hararge. How is that reform? How is that helpful?

The master plan is still going to happen. Have you not been paying attention to the new mini mega city they are planning to build outside of Finfinne? On Oromo farm land. Oromos have been fooled into think ODP actually cares for its ppl. Wake up and pay attention to what’s going on. How are you suppose to accept someone has changed within a few months? They have more Oromo blood on their hands then anyone else within the last 27 years. Lemma needs to be dropped and so does the ODP.

Give it about a couple years when elections come by. I promise it will be rigged if ODP wins.

They haven't done much for their own parts of oromia, the west and southwest, so imagine the east?
i agree with you in regards to that. however, let's not pretend as if they did no good at all.
people like lemma were ordering the oromia police to defend oromos during the state of emergency, even the ONLF leaders admitted this much, and praised him for that. as we type now, oromia police and ABO are together, defending oromia, especially in the western front, where instability was a daily thing, and oromos were being killed-once again, in the heartland of the maccaa territory, the land that both opdo/abo leaders tend to come from. so we can say, there's no clan favoritism. they let down oromos in general, a lot, but sometimes, they make good moves. OPDO struggled from within the system, to bring about change, which is good, we need oromos within and without the system, working together, to do what's best for oromos and oromia, and ethiopia too, of course.
we ought to give credit where it's due, and also criticize when that's due, is my main point.
let's not act like ABO hasn't been ineffective for the past few years. they too, were letting us down for years.

i'll agree with the last part too, if they win the elections, i'd say, there's a strong chance that they messed with it.
however... let us also rejoice in the fact that oromia police refused to fight their own brothers, when in the past, they were the main ones dealing with OLF, along with oromo members of the defence force.
we need unity all around. our elites may disagree on issues, which is healthy, and fine, but Bilisummaa must be what we all agree on, and agree to work towards.
and also a stronger oromia police/militia/armed forces.

[Waachis]

Instead of coming to table and solving Border issues your militias and Federal army is attacking innocent civilians and murdering them! Oromo are the aggressors we do not Hate you as we hate the Tigre and Amhara but you are forcing all Somalis to view the Oromo as the Enemy.

brother if what u said is true, how can i support it?
oromos are being killed daily, now in the heartland of where the opdo and olf leaders come from.
so does that not show u, that the position of the empire of ethiopia, is still fragile?
that same army didn't do much when oromos were being killed in maccaa land, my clans land.
oromo civilians aren't given any special benefits or anything, they have to work their farm lands hard to survive and prosper, same as you guys, or trade and be merchants.

i am against shedding the blood of any son/daughter of ADAM, peace be upon him,
so how can i support it when its muslim blood? a Muslims blood is more sacred than the Kaaba

It was also quoted as a statement of ibn 'Omar in jami' at-Tirmdihi:

He (Nafl’) said: ‘ One day Ibn ‘Umar looked at the House- or – the Ka’bah and said: ‘What is it that is more honored than you, and whose honor is more sacred than yours! And the believer’s honor is more sacred to Allah than yours.’”

And al-Bayhaqi البيهقي in his sho'ab al-Emaan شعب الإيمان quoted a similar wording twice one of them on the authority of abi Hazem:

لما نظر رسول الله - صلى الله عليه وسلم - إلى الكعبة قال: - صلى الله عليه وسلم - إلى الكعبة قال: مرحباً بكِ من بيتٍ، ما أعظمَكِ، وأعظمَ حرمَتَكِ! وللمؤمنُ أعظمُ حرمةً عند اللهِ منكِ، إن اللهَ حرّم منكِ واحدةَّ، وحرّمَ مِنَ المؤمنِ ثلاثاً: دمَه، ومالَه، وأن يُظَنَّ به ظنُّ السُّوءِ

The other on the authority of ibn 'Abbas:

لما نظر رسول الله - صلى الله عليه وسلم - إلى الكعبة قال: ما أعظمَ حرمَتَكِ! وللمؤمنُ أعظمُ حرمةً عند اللهِ منكِ، إن اللهَ حرّم منكِ واحدةَّ، وحرّمَ مِنَ المؤمنِ ثلاثاً: دمَه، ومالَه، وأن يُظَنَّ به ظنُّ السُّوءِ

These two last sources have at least reached the degree of hassan as both include mostly narrators who are in the both sahih books.

See also this thread in Arabic.

https://islam.stackexchange.com/questio ... the-kaabah

Please stop using Islamic texts while you support the Murtad Abye.You support OPDO out of nationalism.You are Oromo first Oromo second Oromo third and Ethiopian forth then Muslim fifth.A pagan/ christian Oromo to you is closer to you than a Muslim Somali.

You support OPDO then Qerro then OLF.We know your stand a pathological liar just like Jawar mohamed.

Who said abiye was murtad? murtad would mean he left Islam, no?
when was he ever a Muslim? as far as i know, his family is mixed, some muslims, some christians.
but i never heard of him ever being muslim. if u have any legit proof in this regard, show me,
i am willing to always admit i am wrong, if there is indeed proof.
and i support pm abiy if he does well for the oromo + entire ethiopia.
if he does something bad for the country and people, then i will not support him in that regard.
i support opdo when they are right, and do not support them when they are wrong.
the only one i blindly follow and support, without question, is our beloved Prophet, the last Prophet/Messenger of Allah, ṣallā Allāhu ʿalayhi wa-ʿala āli-hi wa-sallam.
a pagan christian oromo is closer to me in regards to politics, but not in Islam, in politics, a muslim somali is more likely to hate oromos, hate me, despite being Muslim, than a so called pagan/christian oromo.
if somalis slaughter each other like its nothing, of course they'd do the same to others, regardless of the religion.
in Islam, i am closer to any muslim, regardless of ethnicity, than i am to a non muslim oromo.
i support opdo, olf, qeerroo, yes, all oromos, when they do what's right, and what's good for the oromo and all ethiopians.
qeerroo is not a party, it's a movement, a mass of people, millions of people, of all religions.
it means bachelor, a man, a strong one, of marriage age. that's it. it's as simple as that.

[original dervish]

Mop them all up already.

[zidane88]

Here is your Oromo hero, not even visited Oromo conflict zones. It is not even Somali site.
https://mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=171050

[Koko1232]

There are more amxara Muslims then Jabartis and I believe amxara is more than 22 million people you do know that itoobiya is 110 million people now. Jabarti is very small qabiil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amhara_people
They're not 22 million.

this data from wikipedia is old
the population of amhara region is around 30 million
more then 90% of the people there are amharas
muslims are 20-25%

Canuck amxara have allot of Muslims 3 times the size of your qabil darood. Also waachis is Muslim no need to call him names oromo don't need to run be scared of the highlanders since they are more than then have more land than them.

That’s not accurate. The Muslims in the Amhara region are mostly in the Wallo zones roughly 7 mill combined and they aren’t Amhara. I’m not sure how large the Darood clan is, but the Muslim population of Amharas is sure smaller than Darood. They’re probably around 1-2 mill max.

even in 2007 census 87% of Wollo identify themselves as Amharas.
and we all that the amhara population was reduced in that census

[Khalid Ali]

Yes that's what I thought if amhara is around 25 mil
And a quarter is Muslims how is that you do the math
Amhara population has grown allot. Wolllo people are amhara but Muslim I think the oromo there are not that much

[Waachis]

Oromo are a large part of the wollo population but many have been assimilated into amhara society.
Amhara assimilated many oromo, gurage, tigrayans, agew, etc.
But in wollo, most oromo kept their religion of Islam.. To this day, Islam is strong in wollo, everyone from tewodros to yohannes to Menelik had waged war against Islam in wollo, but failed.
Wollo oromo are most likely a group of arsi who migrated and expanded to the north.

[Khalid Ali]

Aren't the oromo in wollo mostly Barreentu but the oromo in wollo speak amxaarinya right how can you tell than who is pure amxara or who is pure oromo it's very difficult to say if you ask me.

[Salaxbaashe]

You see when Somalis overcome our problems and come to a settlement and arms embargo is lifted it will be fun seeing us bully ethiopia around. They think we are one of the tribes amoungst them and not a sovereign country that can buy weapons and give good ass whoopings.

[St8OuttaDirree]

Oromo are a large part of the wollo population but many have been assimilated into amhara society.
Amhara assimilated many oromo, gurage, tigrayans, agew, etc.
But in wollo, most oromo kept their religion of Islam.. To this day, Islam is strong in wollo, everyone from tewodros to yohannes to Menelik had waged war against Islam in wollo, but failed.
Wollo oromo are most likely a group of arsi who migrated and expanded to the north.

Wallo is a subclan of Karrayyu. They aren’t Arsi.

[St8OuttaDirree]

Aren't the oromo in wollo mostly Barreentu but the oromo in wollo speak amxaarinya right how can you tell than who is pure amxara or who is pure oromo it's very difficult to say if you ask me.

They all are Barentuma from the Karrayyu clan.

These people do not look Amhara.

[AwRastaale]

Oromo are a large part of the wollo population but many have been assimilated into amhara society.
Amhara assimilated many oromo, gurage, tigrayans, agew, etc.
But in wollo, most oromo kept their religion of Islam.. To this day, Islam is strong in wollo, everyone from tewodros to yohannes to Menelik had waged war against Islam in wollo, but failed.
Wollo oromo are most likely a group of arsi who migrated and expanded to the north.

Wallo is a subclan of Karrayyu. They aren’t Arsi.

Good education there for our brother.

Wollo Oromo such as the Yejju, Qobo, Rayyuu, Qallu and Wayyuu are Karrayyu hence Sabbo.

They are related to the Arsi, Afran Qallu, and Humbana. They are all Barentu moiety (Sabbo Qaallu).

The responsibility of Qallu falls under the Karrayyuu (spiritual leaders) while the Abbaa Gadaa is for the Gona Qalluu moiety (Borana; Borana proper, Makka, Tulama).

The way Oromo tribes are divided or subgrouped also defines their roles and even most of their customary law for example marriage is based on the myths and beliefs of the moiety sub-grouping.

For instance same moiety marriage was forbidden.

Who fathers who and who dates who etc. Even married women are allowed to have affairs but any kids she bears will be countered for her first love (virgin bride).

Dating virgins is big taboo especially if she conceives a baby. That baby is without a social recognition and the girl must be sent off to another moiety to purify her.

The Borana used to sent their girls found guilty of unmarried affair (Kobu) to the Gujji. My understanding is the Gujji are treated as somewhat outside both the Gona and Sabbo and have their own moiety; Darmu and Kontoma (50?).

Very interesting stuff. Very ancient society. Some weird practices too like the rights of married women to have lovers. It is openly accepted. The husband could be sitting outside the hut and she could be inside with her love

You can tell who is who during their gatherings and their roles:

For instance the men below are entrusted with Abbaa Gadaa roles. You can tell they are Borana; whether Borana proper, Tulama or Macha.



The Karraayyu and the rest of the Sabbo will be the spiritual leaders; Qallu (like wadadka).

[zumaale]

Aren't the oromo in wollo mostly Barreentu but the oromo in wollo speak amxaarinya right how can you tell than who is pure amxara or who is pure oromo it's very difficult to say if you ask me.

They all are Barentuma from the Karrayyu clan.

These people do not look Amhara.

In the case of the highland Oromo, looks do not determine if one is of Oromo descent as they assimilated the people that they did not kill during their expansionist phase, 16th-18th century. Assimilation was also not an instantaneous process as they initially maintained a distinction between between themselves and those they gradually adopted into the Gada system.

I doubt the sedentary Karrayu in the Wollo highlands resemble the nomadic Karrayu. To an extent, it is difficult to identify a stereotypical Oromo look because a large percentage of people who are identified as Oromos are of non-Oromo backgrounds; be it Habasha, Somali, Omotic, Nilotic, and even Bantu in the case of the Orma. For instance, Jimma State was mainly composed of peasant 'slaves' who were ruled over by a Macha Oromo elite that had conquered them.

[Waachis]

Oromo are a large part of the wollo population but many have been assimilated into amhara society.
Amhara assimilated many oromo, gurage, tigrayans, agew, etc.
But in wollo, most oromo kept their religion of Islam.. To this day, Islam is strong in wollo, everyone from tewodros to yohannes to Menelik had waged war against Islam in wollo, but failed.
Wollo oromo are most likely a group of arsi who migrated and expanded to the north.

Wallo is a subclan of Karrayyu. They aren’t Arsi.

I said most likely due to what I've read in regards to oromo traditions that Europeans recorded while travelling in oromoland...
Do u have any proof to the contrary


https://books.google.com/books?id=xmp2l ... na&f=false

More than one oromo group settled in wallo too, by the way

https://books.google.com/books?id=CYYqA ... lo&f=false

[AwRastaale]

Here is your Oromo hero, not even visited Oromo conflict zones. It is not even Somali site.
https://mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=171050

The issue in the Oromo-Somali hot spots is very blurry and it's hard to tell who is who, who was who and who will be who tomorrow.

In order to draw the line more clear, will "Somalis" in the frontier accept the reinforcement of Somalis from the mainland so their populations are strengthened, Somaliness (not Somalinimo) is much more visible?

Somaliness and Somalinimo are different. You can speak Bantu and hold Somalinimo in your heart. But Somaliness is what we may consider "standard Somali" usually the so called Samale; the proper Somali language and so forth that everyone understands.

Take for example;



Vs



Which do you think would appeal to Somalis most? For me I can say the first girl appeals to me physically (good for the eye) but the second one taps into my emotions because she sounds familiar and close to home.

What I mean by this is for example will Garre take the resettlement of Isaaq, Harti, Samaroon, Majerteen or Habar Gidir settled amongst them?

If so my proposal would be for mainland Somalis to supply recruits and civilian resettlement on a ratio of 2:1.

Then that's the way mainland Somalis can feel the pain of the border conflicts and real change will be seen with mainland investing resources. Right now when Somalis see Garre or Jarso, or whatever the hybrid frontiers maybe------it's hard for them to relate or even in most part understand their Somali.

You have to make it personal and make an impact by making it very personal and close to home.

Both the Galla and the Somalis have this problem. Whoever races first and implements them will gain the upper hand.

Right now the leadership is Ogaden whether Cagjar or ONLF and when you see the attitudes of Ogadens is they only see tribalism and "Ogadenia" and I'm afraid the Galla is bigger things and they will be first to implement such strategy by drawing up Gallas from Wollega, Arsi, Wollo, Gojjam and Shawa and deploying them in the hot spot areas. Thus re-structuring Galla social relations.

It's like splitting a pizza that's half-vegetarian half-seafood. If you cover the other half with either seafood or vegetarian, it will look like a whole pizza of vegetarian or either seafood.

The Somalis in Somali Galbeed can not play same fadhi ku dirir as the Somalis in Somali Republic or even Djibouti. Very different scenarios and you have to place the issue of tribalism in the Somali Region where you have non-Somalis both inside and huge populations of others breathing down on your neck. Other Somalis also have to understand that's their Great Wall of China.

I try to show them without saying it too loud.

In the case of rejecting such resettlement ideas, I think it's fair to say they should also fight their own battles. There has to be mutual acceptance on both side; sacrifices, etc.

I know the main ruling elite abandoned the Gallas too. The Habesha culture, history and institutions have so much appeal for them. It's all psychological just like Africans want something made in the West rather than at home even if home made product is superior. When 100,000 Galla cheer for Abiy does not have same feeling as when he is received by 1000 Amhara and he puts on their costumes.



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