Caytame, unfortunately, is not a particularly intelligent man. I say this not to be meanspirited---but to be quite frank. I almost never point at anyone's intelligence given what it represents, but Caytame is an exception, and like this moment, have before been compelled to point this fact out---when, again, I rarely say that about anyone.
For example: If I just said this is the 1st time in more than 50 years the Marehan Ugaas is holding court or that Marehan just made peace with Ethiopia on Statehood after 80 year's of state of war---what makes a logical, intelligent person respond with political representation as a rational barometer for replying to a post describing political inequality/disenfrenchisement?
Also, I am not surprised he responded with political representation to begin with. You see, Somali Region even today sort of represents "occupied territory" --- understandably of course given what I just said about that 80 years hostilities since Ethiopia declared sovereignty over the area.
Occupied territory is about control; it is about reward and punishment. It is not about fairness; it is not about equality. It is about divide and conquer, bribe or starve; it is about capitulation or strangulation.
Do you see how Somalia has only had 1 single change in administrative unites---in 1972 and even the districts of 1991 are still acknowledged as largely appropriate and relevant 30 years later?
Look at Somali Region under the administration of Cabdi Iley---with the complete backing of the TPLF who gave him license to resources to enforce capitulation through nepotism or strangle through force; no less than 5X has Somali Region underwent complete map change and Cabdi Iley in particular oversaw the most corrupt, inefficient, and nepotistic bloated administrative organization you can ever think of.
He realized quickly the price for taking support from the ONLF in the Ogaden countryside was "wherever a bird shat in front of an Ogaden elder---name it a district."
It is always slightly amusing when I see primitive, 3rd world mindsets reference the concepts underpinning their subjectivity as "legitimizing."
Never the less, later I will response directly to some of his misunderstandings about Kaxandhaale and where Marehan lives in Doolo.
Guhaad used to be like him----until Marehan became engaged in the land and Guhaad found out just how extensively Marehan still lives in the land which political is administered as if Marehan doesn't even exist there entirely monopolized politically in his name.
It is completely a fictional, manufactured political environment which is why I say they milked an 80 year state of hostilities between Marehan and Ethiopia to their extreme advantage.
Well said.
What truly amazes me is the fact that the Ogaden want to implement the same ideological belief as the Isaaq. The so-called "The land doesn't move, the people do" rhetoric where they believe that every inch of the Ethiopian-occupied Somali region known as "Kililka Shanaad" or "Somali Galbeed" inherently belongs to Ogaden clan. I remember I once had a debate with an Ogaden individual and he said every village and town settled by Harti and Isaaq in Somali Galbeed belongs to Ogaden therefore those tribes will be forced out of those villages and relocated on the other side of the border (He meant they will be resettled in Somalia) . He said this with a straight face.
When someone thinks like that all you can do is laugh because your words will fall into deaf ears. Caytme claiming Wardheer and Danoot to be exclusive Makaahiil territories is laughable to say the least. I wouldn't be surprised if he claimed that there are ZERO Harti and Isaaq in Doollo region.
As for Marehan, it seems to me that Marehan has not only been neglected by everyone else, but Marehan has neglected themselves. It's like there has been major cold-war like situation between different Marehan sub clans for the past 100 years to the point that there was no collective mindset when it came to greater Marehan interest. Each clan didn't give a shit the greater good of Marehan. Marehan's mindset is very similar to Dhulmahante's mindset. There is no such thing as "Dhulmahantenimo" or greater Dhulmahante interest rather the sub-clan identity overweights more than the Dhulmahante identity and the same can be said for Marehan. There is no such thing as "Marehanimo." These two communities lack unity within themselves and I have been trying to understand why that is.
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Caytame wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:12 pm
For those unfamiliar with galbeed politics, there's no district called kaxandhaale. Voltage is making shit up as usual, knowing his delusions and lies are just that, delusions. Doollo region has 7 degmo.
Wardheer(gundhiga aka magaalo madax of doollo)
Danoot
Daratoole
Leheloow
bookh
geladi
galxamur
the first four are Makaahiil. the other 3 somali oo dhan baa daga laakiin waxaa u badan Harti iyo in yaroo geri koombe ah. marehan live in small pockets of geladi and have zero representable district from the entire region.
of course that will not stop the online isbaaro merchants that's midgaha marehan to claim lands. for god's sake, they were claiming eritrea and tigray regions recently. Take anything these clowns say with a pinch of salt.
as for Gedo, this issue will be put to bed as soon as Farmaajo, who is now without the support of abiye axmed who faces International pressure, is exiled and that, as any betting man can tell you, is overwhelmingly likely.
What you see here from voltage and his minions, some of whom could be his own other accounts, is nothing but a group therapy. lmao
Did you just lay claim to Wardheer & Danoot as exclusively Makaahiil? I didn't know Dhulmahante and Majeerteen were Makaahiil.
It's not a secret that all four are predominantly makaahiil. Wallahi there are more geri koombe in doollo than marehan. You don't have even half of a degmo. y'all live in 1/4 of geladi, and that's if I am being generous.
Re: DEVELOPING: Kenya told Turkey "for mediation, we are prepared to throw Madoobe out, meet Farmajo 100% on Jubbaland"
Caytame, unfortunately, is not a particularly intelligent man. I say this not to be meanspirited---but to be quite frank. I almost never point at anyone's intelligence given what it represents, but Caytame is an exception, and like this moment, have before been compelled to point this fact out---when, again, I rarely say that about anyone.
For example: If I just said this is the 1st time in more than 50 years the Marehan Ugaas is holding court or that Marehan just made peace with Ethiopia on Statehood after 80 year's of state of war---what makes a logical, intelligent person respond with political representation as a rational barometer for replying to a post describing political inequality/disenfrenchisement?
Also, I am not surprised he responded with political representation to begin with. You see, Somali Region even today sort of represents "occupied territory" --- understandably of course given what I just said about that 80 years hostilities since Ethiopia declared sovereignty over the area.
Occupied territory is about control; it is about reward and punishment. It is not about fairness; it is not about equality. It is about divide and conquer, bribe or starve; it is about capitulation or strangulation.
Do you see how Somalia has only had 1 single change in administrative unites---in 1972 and even the districts of 1991 are still acknowledged as largely appropriate and relevant 30 years later?
Look at Somali Region under the administration of Cabdi Iley---with the complete backing of the TPLF who gave him license to resources to enforce capitulation through nepotism or strangle through force; no less than 5X has Somali Region underwent complete map change and Cabdi Iley in particular oversaw the most corrupt, inefficient, and nepotistic bloated administrative organization you can ever think of.
He realized quickly the price for taking support from the ONLF in the Ogaden countryside was "wherever a bird shat in front of an Ogaden elder---name it a district."
It is always slightly amusing when I see primitive, 3rd world mindsets reference the concepts underpinning their subjectivity as "legitimizing."
Never the less, later I will response directly to some of his misunderstandings about Kaxandhaale and where Marehan lives in Doolo.
Guhaad used to be like him----until Marehan became engaged in the land and Guhaad found out just how extensively Marehan still lives in the land which political is administered as if Marehan doesn't even exist there entirely monopolized politically in his name.
It is completely a fictional, manufactured political environment which is why I say they milked an 80 year state of hostilities between Marehan and Ethiopia to their extreme advantage.
Good, I am glad you backtracked on your false claim, surprisingly I am shocked you did it because you were the guy who once said "the coasts of dhagaxbuur are settled by marehan", knowing fully that all of Somali galbeed is landlocked.
Anyways, you do not have a half of a district to yourself making you a loomayaan in the region. Some marehans even pay mag with ismaaciil gumacadle makaahil.
ado mdigaan ah haatana ii magan ah inaad igu af celisaa saw khalad ma'aha awoogaa lagub!
I don't speak for Guhaad, but I know every single district of my country ogadenia and who settles there. Don't think you delusional fantasies will work with me.
Don't let me catch you making another fake claim again.
Re: DEVELOPING: Kenya told Turkey "for mediation, we are prepared to throw Madoobe out, meet Farmajo 100% on Jubbaland"
Caytame wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:12 pm
For those unfamiliar with galbeed politics, there's no district called kaxandhaale. Voltage is making shit up as usual, knowing his delusions and lies are just that, delusions. Doollo region has 7 degmo.
Wardheer(gundhiga aka magaalo madax of doollo)
Danoot
Daratoole
Leheloow
bookh
geladi
galxamur
the first four are Makaahiil. the other 3 somali oo dhan baa daga laakiin waxaa u badan Harti iyo in yaroo geri koombe ah. marehan live in small pockets of geladi and have zero representable district from the entire region.
of course that will not stop the online isbaaro merchants that's midgaha marehan to claim lands. for god's sake, they were claiming eritrea and tigray regions recently. Take anything these clowns say with a pinch of salt.
as for Gedo, this issue will be put to bed as soon as Farmaajo, who is now without the support of abiye axmed who faces International pressure, is exiled and that, as any betting man can tell you, is overwhelmingly likely.
What you see here from voltage and his minions, some of whom could be his own other accounts, is nothing but a group therapy. lmao
Did you just lay claim to Wardheer & Danoot as exclusively Makaahiil? I didn't know Dhulmahante and Majeerteen were Makaahiil.
It's not a secret that all four are predominantly makaahiil. Wallahi there are more geri koombe in doollo than marehan. You don't have even half of a degmo. y'all live in 1/4 of geladi, and that's if I am being generous.
Doollo is predominately Makaahiil?
Here is a detail map of Somali Galbeed or Kililka Shanaad. Take a look at Gobolka Doollo. Wardheer is a shared town. Anything east of Wardheer is not Makaahiil area. Anything west of Wardheer is Makaahiil. Wardheer is a stone's throw away from the border with Gobolka Qoraxeey.
WadaniggaBarakaysan wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:14 pm
Did you just lay claim to Wardheer & Danoot as exclusively Makaahiil? I didn't know Dhulmahante and Majeerteen were Makaahiil.
It's not a secret that all four are predominantly makaahiil. Wallahi there are more geri koombe in doollo than marehan. You don't have even half of a degmo. y'all live in 1/4 of geladi, and that's if I am being generous.
Doollo is predominately Makaahiil?
Here is a detail map of Somali Galbeed or Kililka Shanaad. Take a look at Gobolka Doollo. Wardheer is a shared town. Anything east of Wardheer is not Makaahiil area. Anything west of Wardheer is Makaahiil. Wardheer is a stone's throw away from the border with Gobolka Qoraxeey.
It's not a secret that all four are predominantly makaahiil. Wallahi there are more geri koombe in doollo than marehan. You don't have even half of a degmo. y'all live in 1/4 of geladi, and that's if I am being generous.
Doollo is predominately Makaahiil?
Here is a detail map of Somali Galbeed or Kililka Shanaad. Take a look at Gobolka Doollo. Wardheer is a shared town. Anything east of Wardheer is not Makaahiil area. Anything west of Wardheer is Makaahiil. Wardheer is a stone's throw away from the border with Gobolka Qoraxeey.
it's like arguing with a kid.
doollo is absolutely overwhelmingly makaahiil. 4 of the 7 districts are makaahiil.
I know who lives in every little town, you have two or three towns when your pay protection money to makaahiil to even live there in peace.
don't come here with the Mj propaganda from last summer.
You're jumping around from Marehan propaganda to MJ now? You're all over the place mate, calm down. Take a look at the link I shared in my previous post. It's a detailed map. Dhulos and MJ settle all the way to Wardheer town itself and Danoot town itself. Anywhere east of Wardheer town is settled by Dhulos and Majeerteen and anywhere towards east of Danoot is settled by Dhulos and Isaaq. Farhareeri village is north-east of Wardheer in between Wardheer and Danoot. It's a Dhulos village. Look how far Dhulos are away from the border. The same goes for Majeerteen. Doollo is the largest gobol, but it isn't predominately Ogaden. Doollo is predominately Harti. That's why the Jigjiga administrations didn't put any effort in building Doollo's infrastructure. Majority of the funds were being allocated to predominately or exclusively Ogaden gobols like Nogob, Qoraxeey, Shabelle, Afdheer, Fafan, Jarar, etc. Now, things are changing. The Harti in Doollo are speaking up and demanding accountability for the first time. The Marehan are doing the same thing. Heck, even the Hawiye who have been focused on Mogadishu for the past 30 years have turned their eyes towards Kililka Shanaad.
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WadaniggaBarakaysan wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:19 am
Doollo is predominately Makaahiil?
Here is a detail map of Somali Galbeed or Kililka Shanaad. Take a look at Gobolka Doollo. Wardheer is a shared town. Anything east of Wardheer is not Makaahiil area. Anything west of Wardheer is Makaahiil. Wardheer is a stone's throw away from the border with Gobolka Qoraxeey.
it's like arguing with a kid.
doollo is absolutely overwhelmingly makaahiil. 4 of the 7 districts are makaahiil.
I know who lives in every little town, you have two or three towns when your pay protection money to makaahiil to even live there in peace.
don't come here with the Mj propaganda from last summer.
You're jumping around from Marehan propaganda to MJ now? You're all over the place mate, calm down. Take a look at the link I shared in my previous post. It's a detailed map. Dhulos and MJ settle all the way to Wardheer town itself and Danoot town itself. Anywhere east of Wardheer town is settled by Dhulos and Majeerteen and anywhere towards east of Danoot is settled by Dhulos and Isaaq. Farhareeri village is north-east of Wardheer in between Wardheer and Danoot. It's a Dhulos village. Look how far Dhulos are away from the border. The same goes for Majeerteen. Doollo is the largest gobol, but it isn't predominately Ogaden. Doollo is predominately Harti. That's why the Jigjiga administrations didn't put any effort in building Doollo's infrastructure. Majority of the funds were being allocated to predominately or exclusively Ogaden gobols like Nogob, Qoraxeey, Shabelle, Afdheer, Fafan, Jarar, etc. Now, things are changing. The Harti in Doollo are speaking up and demanding accountability for the first time. The Marehan are doing the same thing. Heck, even the Hawiye who have been focused on Mogadishu for the past 30 years have turned their eyes towards Kililka Shanaad.
lol riyo maalmeed!
Wardheer belongs to not even makaahiil, but just Gumacadle. The RB governor ku xushmayn baa logu dhiibay the governor position, and when he tried some shit, you saw how quickly he was deposed. RB, Geri Koombe, Marehn(I am being too generous to include Marehan here lol) and dhulos and CM, share less than 30 percent of Doollo. Makaahiil lands extend well into Geladi but ogaden isn't uncultured enough to claim anything where we don't make a super majority.
You seem to be operating on information you got from snet and social media.
You're talking to the people who walked the land on foot a whole summer.
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:11 am
by Murax
Caytame,
Where did your Sade cuqdad get this deep? You’re approaching Guhad levels. Wardheer is the anscestoral home of both my Lafs of Sade some of whom remained and you’re saying we don’t live there.
Re: DEVELOPING: Kenya told Turkey "for mediation, we are prepared to throw Madoobe out, meet Farmajo 100% on Jubbaland"
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:22 am
by Caytame
^you must be trolling me, but I'll entertain you anyway.
walle ma xishootaan. Nothing worse than people who claim what belongs to others.
haye, tell us which of the 5 xaafad of wardheer your laf lives in?
wardheer is is homogenous as baydhabo, as garoowe, as garboharay. waa hooy gumacadle.
first and last place you'll find marehan is in south east geladi, right on the border.
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:39 am
by Nomand
Caytame,
if we are being honest ogadeen have the least amount of land in wardheer/ doolo compared to the rest of the clans.
look at the map that Wadanigga supplied just from the towns and their location you can clearly see harti and in particular dhulbahante have the most land followed by marehan then majerteen and finally ogadeen.
why don't you take the map and color in the villages that are owned by ogadeen. and i will guarantee you ogadeen do not settle more then 15 percent of /wardheer/doolo zone.
Re: DEVELOPING: Kenya told Turkey "for mediation, we are prepared to throw Madoobe out, meet Farmajo 100% on Jubbaland"
After much pressure from Makaahiil here's he appointed ina Suldaan cali seef, Makaahiil Abraahim, the landlords.
Hope that'll settle who's the boss.
An Ogaden president of DDSI names an Ogaden guy to the Governor position of Doollo. What a surprise? There are more Harti in Doollo than Ogaden. Doollo has 65% Harti, 30% Ogaden, 4% others and 1% Isaaq.
Re: DEVELOPING: Kenya told Turkey "for mediation, we are prepared to throw Madoobe out, meet Farmajo 100% on Jubbaland"
it's like arguing with a kid.
doollo is absolutely overwhelmingly makaahiil. 4 of the 7 districts are makaahiil.
I know who lives in every little town, you have two or three towns when your pay protection money to makaahiil to even live there in peace.
don't come here with the Mj propaganda from last summer.
You're jumping around from Marehan propaganda to MJ now? You're all over the place mate, calm down. Take a look at the link I shared in my previous post. It's a detailed map. Dhulos and MJ settle all the way to Wardheer town itself and Danoot town itself. Anywhere east of Wardheer town is settled by Dhulos and Majeerteen and anywhere towards east of Danoot is settled by Dhulos and Isaaq. Farhareeri village is north-east of Wardheer in between Wardheer and Danoot. It's a Dhulos village. Look how far Dhulos are away from the border. The same goes for Majeerteen. Doollo is the largest gobol, but it isn't predominately Ogaden. Doollo is predominately Harti. That's why the Jigjiga administrations didn't put any effort in building Doollo's infrastructure. Majority of the funds were being allocated to predominately or exclusively Ogaden gobols like Nogob, Qoraxeey, Shabelle, Afdheer, Fafan, Jarar, etc. Now, things are changing. The Harti in Doollo are speaking up and demanding accountability for the first time. The Marehan are doing the same thing. Heck, even the Hawiye who have been focused on Mogadishu for the past 30 years have turned their eyes towards Kililka Shanaad.
lol riyo maalmeed!
Wardheer belongs to not even makaahiil, but just Gumacadle. The RB governor ku xushmayn baa logu dhiibay the governor position, and when he tried some shit, you saw how quickly he was deposed. RB, Geri Koombe, Marehn(I am being too generous to include Marehan here lol) and dhulos and CM, share less than 30 percent of Doollo. Makaahiil lands extend well into Geladi but ogaden isn't uncultured enough to claim anything where we don't make a super majority.
You seem to be operating on information you got from snet and social media.
You're talking to the people who walked the land on foot a whole summer.
Caytme we can go back and forth on this. It will not do us any good. Let's agree to disagree. Just don't let me hear you say you will uproot the non-Ogaden clans from Doollo and back into Somalia.
Re: DEVELOPING: Kenya told Turkey "for mediation, we are prepared to throw Madoobe out, meet Farmajo 100% on Jubbaland"
if we are being honest ogadeen have the least amount of land in wardheer/ doolo compared to the rest of the clans.
look at the map that Wadanigga supplied just from the towns and their location you can clearly see harti and in particular dhulbahante have the most land followed by marehan then majerteen and finally ogadeen.
why don't you take the map and color in the villages that are owned by ogadeen. and i will guarantee you ogadeen do not settle more then 15 percent of /wardheer/doolo zone.
The guy has the audacity to say that Makaahiil has more land in Doollo than Harti and Marehan. Marehan use to have more land than Makaahiil, but they have moved away throughout the decades, especially after the birth of the Somali nation in 1960. The formation of the new Somali nation convinced many Somalis that the Somali Galbeed region will forever be under the occupation of Ethiopia and Marehan didn't want to be under occupation.
. He said this with a straight face. 