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Murax wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:47 pm That one map Gubbet posted, Marehan are not just in Ethiopia but deep into it, furthest west of the Somalis in western Ethiopia :shock:
Indeed---that's where we were before we migrated down the Cherer border from Harar and came to occupy the vast Shilaabo prairie

And before it we were even further west, northwest of Harar exactly at today's Afar border.

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After we moved down Cherer from the declining Harar Emirate---at around today's Fiq District, but certainly between Khelaafo and Ime, the Marehan divided into two; one going east to explore Himan (today's Mudug) and one going south to explore Liban (today's upper Jubba Valley).

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The southern group, who came to be known as Guri or Pioneers, were led by Marehan/Hassan Garshireedle section.

The eastern group, who came to be known as Galti or Settlers were led by Marehan/Isaaq Garshireedle section,

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Guri and Galti reflect the initial southern group made the better choice as the Eastern group has continued to send successive streams secondary migrants after the trail of the southern group even to this present day.

After having crossed the Shabelle between Ime and Khelaafo, the Marehan/Guri were first in Nageyle before they were in Lugh.

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Of course, however, they would branch down the Jubba/Ganane River where Lugh would famously become the center of the Marehan settlement that begin with the long migration from Harar.

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Gubbet,

Fascinating. Any chance there are still MX remnants in the far west who still identify as MX to this very day? I’d imagine at this point they became proper Ethiopians.
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Murax wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:19 pm Gubbet,

Fascinating. Any chance there are still MX remnants in the far west who still identify as MX to this very day? I’d imagine at this point they became proper Ethiopians.
Yes, the most prominent of them that I think are directly candidates for "isbarasho" are, in order of affinity

1. The Zay Gurage who venerate Sheekh SADE to this day
2. The Zilte Gurage
3. The Halaba
4. Argobba who starts the groups our displaced most likely joined
5. The Amarar Beja
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Gubbet wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:19 pm
Murax wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:19 pm Gubbet,

Fascinating. Any chance there are still MX remnants in the far west who still identify as MX to this very day? I’d imagine at this point they became proper Ethiopians.
Yes, the most prominent of them that I think are directly candidates for "isbarasho" are, in order of affinity

1. The Zay Gurage who venerate Sheekh SADE to this day
2. The Zilte Gurage
3. The Halaba
4. Argobba who starts the groups our displaced most likely joined
5. The Amarar Beja

Beja? Say word bro lol
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Gubbet

So anaga and qolodaan could be long lost Tol?! I need to go to Ethiopia ASAP. Here I was thinking Wardheer was out ancestral home :lupe:




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When I first read Richard Burton I didn't think much of his Marehan observations in Harar but now it is huge to me as part of a History I am starting to understand

Notice Og, Isaaq, Ciise, Gudabiirsi are never identified by him as "Constituency" of Harar. They are just periphery settlers of trade lines leading to Harar

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By the time Burton was walking there obviously Marehan was already partly on the Jubba River, but it is hugely important that he documented Marehan still had residual leftover in Harar who, as he says, were under the protection of the most powerful of their next of Kin (Geri Koombe).

Both of those points are hugely importang reinforcing the veracity of the other as well as serving as a connective point in a large storyline
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Gubbet wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:30 pm Saddam,

1. This was the middle ages---for reference that's when the Portuguese started to look for "India" which they would later call Native Americans after getting lost.
2. Information was scarce basically. Even more so for Africa or most of the world without record keeping.
3. While we Somalis were unlettered, fortunately the Abyssinians were which translated to the Harari administration borrowing it.
4. Unfortunately however, the Ethiopian records, like most of their peers at that that, weren't any more sophisticated than say "Gilgamesh" almost. It is all religious/syncretic parables. It isn't really "records" as much as religious oriented "thikr" almost (ala Christian style) since the literate were only abbots.
5. However, thankfully Harar because of the Islamic influence did develop reocrd keeping and more importantly "scribes" or city secretaries who were both writing and being "living memory." In case for example, something happened to the physical record, they had to be prepared to do write it again by heart.
6. Unfortunately, the Ethiopian capture of Harar was both BRUTAL and INCREDIBLY damaging/irresponsible. After they defeated the last Emir at Challenko OUTSIDE of Harar, Menelike did not order a peaceful entry. The Ethiopians went berserk killing, piliging and destroying everything. Before nightfall on the first day, 3000 lay dead including city administrators, the town was burning, soldierd had taken everything as booty (that's how they were paid), the biggest gate was turned into open hole, and the biggest mosque was a Church.
7. I mean in today's understanding, that's Geneva Conventions warcrimes JUST ON THE BASIS OF the damage, theft, and pillage of culture and civilization.

8.However, between some saved artifacts and living memory, the deducated scholarship of Cerulli and Rossini and Wagner, etc have done incredible work in the last 100 years to reconstruct that thousand year old civilization.

9. For this particular document "Documenti Arabi per la storia dell'Etiopia" Cerulli was doing work for Ethiopia Occidentale book whrm5 he heard about that 📃 which had been saved and hidden until then.

10. He immediately went to Harar and transcribed and contextualized it by engaging the "living memory" as well that were at that time (40+ years after fall of Harar) growing old or dying out.

11. The article is about the transcription of the 2nd most important Arabic work on Harar saved (after Futuh) and Cerulli's contextualization of it using the "living memories" who saved as well as gathering a whole host of "living memories" before their host bodies grew too old or died by then 45 years after fall of Harar.

12. That's where Cerulli documents the living memories giving the last pieces of information such as from whom did Emir Nur come from.

13. They also relay other pieces of information unknown before like the fact that Emir Adruh was Adruh ben Goyta Tedros. Of this Cerulli says it can't bé the Marehan Hiraabe's father Goyta Tedros because of time difference but that it seems Tedros was a common name in Harar. It meant one thing to one Semitic language (Harari) and another to others (Amharic/Tigrinya) based on both of their ideas of God (one Christian, one Muslim). ,

So it is fascinating what Cerulli adds to the historiagraphy which is why this document is still celebrated ao uniquely almost a 100 years later.
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Cerulli in Harar

Documenti Arabi Per La Storia dell'Etiopia

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And finally, I close this topic with the single most important existing evidence of all; a real life living and breathing artifact that really puts into context just how completely self-absorbed some are to think this is a topic playing out on "theory" and archaic historical topics.

You are misinformed.

This is the Marehan sub-clan of "Ina Nuur" (Descendants of Nur) also styled "Reer Amiir Nuur"(The Family of Amir Nuur).

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