Muslim women got the ok

[Saladin]

The marriage of Christian man to a Muslim woman is an invalid marriage. Allah says in the Quran:

And give not (Muslim women) in marriage to idolaters until they believe [al-Baqara 221]

Therefore, it is not allowed for disbeliever to marry a Muslim woman. Allah also says,

They (Muslim women) are not lawful for them (the disbelivers) nor are they (the disbeliever) lawful for them [al-Mumtahana 10]

And if you guys want tafsir (Tafsir Ibn Kathir) on those verses, i can send you.

[SomaliLight]

Congradulations muslims


the score stands at : 1 Allah's word and 0 for Bukhari and friends.


now if you just work on the following, Allah's word may win this battle for the muslim ummah's undivided obedience.

1. Stoning for adulters
2. way of praying
3. the anti christ
4. Jesus returning
5. women's dress
6. death for apostasy
7. question of female prayer during mensturation

many more...but one at a time people.

[intellex]

ok ayaan xirsi wanna bee slow down slow down would ya

[Saladin]

I dont think your mom is Leelkase, Somalilight, i dont think at all you are who you are saying. You are a frigging atheist (maybe its old news for most of you guys, but i didnt know it)

Is that you Dhuusa_Dheere?

[michael_ital]

Again i'll ask

"al-Mumtahana is clear, but in al-Baqara, is a Christian or a jew an actual idolator ?? Honest q here."

[SomaliLight]

Saladin,


Don't get all girly on me man. what part of what i wrote is not true??What part of what i wrote is atheist? forget me, a muslim should have the right to make that assumption, without geting stones thrown at him/her.

These are the areas that either add or contradict the quran. you wanna dispute that?? go, bring me your verse??

Infact, wait till the waadaads come be here.. to make the excuses..the caydiids and JB and law26.

[Saladin]

Somalilight:
Did i say what you wrote is wrong? I were addressing your stupid sarcastic way of writing in that reply.

Btw its no use to discuss with people like you.

These are they who have bartered Guidance for error: But their traffic is profitless, and they have lost true direction, Their similitude is that of a man who kindled a fire; when it lighted all around him, Allah took away their light and left them in utter darkness. So they could not see. Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).

Surah Al-Baqarah 16-18

[SomaliLight]

Saladin,

Those are all not in the quran? and you know?? Which goes to show the Supremacy of scripture over the Quran. what is worse is if a muslim were to make that claim you would thrown stones, call out hypocrite and kafiir.

Saladiin, you really shouldn't be concerned with stray cats like me, i was sarcastic at the apparent humour in the whole matter. but maybe you should heed such verses which make ironic reference to such supremacy of Waadaad majority over the kitab.

[62.5] The likeness of those who were charged with the Taurat, then they did not observe it, is as the likeness of the ass bearing books, evil is the likeness of the people who reject the communications of Allah; and Allah does not guide the unjust people"

It is funny really, 1400 years after faithfully sticking to the reminants of Abu hurariah 's faulty memory and tormenting anyone who demanded their right by the kitab...the waadaads have finally decided to take up the word of Allah at their discretion, hey lets try it, it can't hurt!

i say good stuff!!....now we wait another 1000 years and they may find Allah never said anything about stoning. oh discovery is so beautiful.

[intellex]

somalilight so u are DD damn homo

[SomaliLight]

inteelex,am not DD, but i did warn yiou that you were better off not askin questions.

[SomaliLight]

MIke.


sorry i got distracted, Christians and jews are not classified as idolaters. Although, they may seem like idolaters..but if we are gonna reclassify people. ..the Shia would also fall under this.

Anyway...But according to the quran, the Christians and Jews are not idolaters. thus marriage is allowed, they believe in God with some confusion in facts concerning jesus 's life and position.


there mike

[Cawar]

Let them marry who they want....there are Christian or Jewish men who treat their women much much better than how many muslim men do...besides no muslim will easily convert into christianity or judaism whereas the opposite scenario is more likely to happen.. more often than not.

The big picture ....always think of the big picture, when there are no clear verses forbiding a given issue; at least thats how I think.

[Cawar]

Let them marry who they want....there are Christian or Jewish men who treat their women much much better than how many muslim men do...besides no muslim will easily convert into christianity or judaism whereas the opposite scenario is more likely to happen.. more often than not.

The big picture ....always think of the big picture, when there are no clear verses forbiding a given issue; at least thats how I think.

[The Law26]

I agree with Hassan Turabi. Why would this convert abandon her marriage, kids and husband? Can anyone present an ayah prohibiting Muslim women from marriage with men of the Book, no, you can’t produce it because it doesn't exist. What Allah SWT does not prohibit is not a sin. That is a fact.

Muslim men have been given the green light if they wish so to marry people of the book, but the Qura'an is silent about Muslim women marrying people of the book. It is valid to say that an omission does not equal to a prohibition.

Chapter : 5 (Al-Ma'idah) Verse : 5

"...And lawful for you are chaste believing women and chaste women from among those who were given the Book before you, when you give them their dowries, contracting valid marriage and not committing fornication, nor taking secret paramours..."

However Saladin has presented an ayah directed to all Muslims (males & females) not to marry those without tawhid like the Pagans, but Christians and Jews are considered People of the Book (Ahlu Kitaab) and are exempted. There was no command to stop Muslim women from marrying Christians or Jews, and that is what they did exactly during our prophet's pbuh time. The early women converts to Islam also did not divorce their spouses in the wake of the revelations, and why will this convert abandon her family? A simple study of this history reveals that a vast number of the famous male companions of our prophet pbuh only converted some considerable time after their wives. In some cases, it was many years later. One of our Prophet pbuh daughters remained married to a non-Muslim man after the revelations of the Qura’an.

This prohibition actually derives from a pre-Islamic custom called kaafa, whereby an Arab woman was expected to marry at or above her station or level. The Arab Gulf nations still follow this tradition, requiring permission from the government even to marry non-Arab Muslims, as they consider Arabs to be the highest of all humans. It was considered a disgrace to her father and family for an Arab tribes-woman to marry a non-Arab man, I think this rings a bell with Somalis too. It wasn't considered a sin, and it did happen, but it was greatly discouraged. The reasoning for this is, in that tribal society, a woman's worth, or her husband determined her social status. Just like today, "Marrying up" or marrying an equal was far preferable to "marrying down".

This custom is still practiced and codified in law in Saudi Arabia today where it is illegal for a Saudi Arab woman to marry a non-Arab man, even if he is Muslim. Our Prophet pbuh warned against such arrogance in his final address when he declared that an Arab is no better than a non-Arab, etc. While there is nothing in the Qura’an or ahadith to forbid marriage between Muslim woman and Christian or Jewish men, tradition has discouraged it.

Are you aware that the wives of Umar, Hamzah and Abbas (ra). Umar's ra wife Zaynab was the sister of Uthman b. Maz'un, both Muslims. Hamzah's wife was Salmah and Abbas' wife was Lubabah (Umm Fadl), two daughters of Hind Bint Awf by different husbands. In Abbas' case, Umm Fadl claimed to have been the second woman to have converted to Islam, the same day as her close friend Khadijah ra. Officially, Abbas did not accept Islam until just before the fall of Mecca, twenty years later! And few Muslims know that Aisha (ra), our Prophet's pbuh second wife was first promised by her father, Companion, Abu Bakr, the first Caliph r.a, to Jubayr ibn Mut'im, a Christian man, the son of one of the Muslim's.

Why?

Allah SWT has not created a sin that invalidates such unions. Marriage between Muslim women and men of the Book is not prohibited in the Qura'an. No one can provide a legitimate verse prohibiting it. Only Allah SWT creates sin categories, not Muslims. Muslim men and women are equal before Allah SWT. This where free will comes in. It's a tenet of Islam, because we (individually) are all ultimately answerable to Allah SWT and not to other Muslims.

[Gamadid.]

Law, all the evidence you brought points to the muslim men marrying a non-muslim woman, yet, you use that for the legality of a muslim woman marrying a nonmuslim man. You either bring evidence from the Quran or Hadith that is Authentic which tell us a muslim woman can marry a nonmuslim man or what you say in regards to this matter has nothing to do with islam but with your misguided beliefs.

For any subsequent debate about islamic issues, two things will count as evidence: A- The Quran and B- The authentic Sayings of the Prophet. I make clear to all of you here that anyone who comes and says the Authentic Hadith can not be evidence is not a MUSLIM according to the Quran as that entailes rejecting the Prophet's order. Remember everyone, Obeying the prophet and following his rulings in matter of religion is like Obeying God according to the Quran. No Muslim person has a say after the prophet of Islam has judged a matter. Allah says: in The Qur'an 4:65, {But nay, by your Lord, they will not believe until they make you the judge of what is in dispute between them, then they shall find in themselves no dislike of that which you have decreed, and submit in full submission.}

For everyone who claims to be a Muslim, that is the verse you have to contend with which clearly as a day-light tells you that you can not have your own stupid opinion after the prophet has judged a matter. In this case, Death Penality, Stoning, apostacy rulings are all the prophet's rulings with the exception of the death penalty that is mentioned in the Quran. This is ISLAM, accepting Porphet Mohamed's rulings or YOU ARE NOT A MUSLIM.

I am not interested in addressing nonmuslim somalis as their sayings are mere whimsical and from their confused state of mind. they surelyexpress their hatred for what they have rejected, so their contribution is always negative and towards that end.


If you are a Muslim, remember One thing from the Quran: The Qur'an 3:32, {Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger. But if they turn away, surely Allah does not love the disbelievers}



As for the the status of christians of Jews Allah has said about them:

Christians:


Surah Al-Ma'idah Ayah [72] "Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allah is the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode . And for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong­doers) there are no helper

Jews:


Surah Al-Baqarah Ayah [89] "And when there came to them (the Jews), a Book (this Qur'an) from Allah confirming what is with them [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], although aforetime they had invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad Peace be upon him ) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when there came to them that which they had recognised, they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allah be on the disbelievers. "


Both communities are considered disbelievers as the verses above point out. They are not equal to a muslim person in terms of belief. Saying they are not Idolators is sheer chicanery and deciet. Does it matter if you call them Idoaltors or Disabelievers? And what about today's christians? Do they look like monotheistic people? Claiming to be something is not the same as being what you claim if you are contradicting yourself. These people worship human beings and saints. Anyone who does what they do believing as they believe is just like them.



Lion Heart has done a good job in rejecting the so called muslim ku sheeg losers who out of their personal choices want to twist islam to their liking. I see personal lifestyles and sheer misguidance on the parts of some folks have forced them to twist islam. Bismillaah!!




Concluding my participation in this FILTHY TOPIC, A muslim woman who has strong faith wouldn't want to marry a nonmuslim even we disregard what islam has said about it. Remember, only a weak Muslimah will fall in love with a nonmuslim man to begin with as LOVE of GOD transcends love of a human being. End of story.