No Jews No Christians & No Dogs

[Gacalisa]

agnostic


your knowledge of Islam let alone anything are so narrowed and limited that time and time again you only bash Islam and constantly forget the actions and believes of others.

Judaism believes to be the "chosen" people, that they alone will go to heaven, just like the Christians and Muslims. off course each believer must believe that what their doing is right, but using comment sence to understand what other believe and why they believe so differentiate one from one that just bluntly believes.

All there monotheist religions only care for and "greet" thier own. and Christianity puted that into action throught out history. starting with the western imperliasm of the whole of the middle east in attempt to convert, control, Europanize, and colonize the region. then going to the African colonization, colonizing every state in Africa except Ethiopia and Liberia. and one might why were they not colonized. Because those two countries were the only ones whose state religion was Christian, so there was no need in converting and controling a fellow Christian.

and just before European expansion on half of the world, was the crusades, who felt threaten by Islam as it colonized some portions of Europe, them really being conserned mainly for Spain. the Crusaders were not only agianst Islam but also Judaism, and killed every jew and muslim in site. after these horrid Massacres the blood of the people would rise up and above the ankels of horses legs, no tell me is that actually compationate.

then also with Christianity came the Halacuase. christians being bluntly agains judaism.

and lets not forget about the Jews. there were not so compassionate. in 1948 after Israel was declared a state and after 5 arabic states attacked the new born state, and off course Israel winning with tremendous aid from US. 700,000 refugees fled from Palestine or the new Israel, and after the war, the Israels explained vividly that thoe 700,000 refugees would not come back to there homes, because they were supposedly a "threat" to the nation. leaving hundreds of thousands of peoople starving and homeless, wow that is so compassionate.


the things you have mentioned are what an individual would do in relations withthe infedels. for the thousand and so years the Ottomans have ruled the middle east they have not forced any one to change their religion, thus making the ottoman empire, one of the only empires which was flexible and all types of people let and fled from their rulers to be ruled by the ottomans.
better to live in peace with Muslims and live in horror with others, is what they thought.

[Gedo_Boy]

agnostic,

You said: "I rather suspect more will reject the fairy tales of their ancestors as time progresses and they are exposed to other modes of thought and philosophy."

Like the dead thoughts & philosophies of Communism? Even Communists aren't Communists anymore.

Even your arguments and rebuttals have been predicted by the Quran:

(sura 23):

81. Nay, but they say the like of what the men of old said.

82. They said: "When we are dead and have become dust and bones, shall we be resurrected indeed?

83. "Verily, this we have been promised, we and our fathers before (us)! This is only the tales of the ancients!"

So, really you haven't said anything the Qur'an hasn't predicted people like you would say. Keep in mind, the people throughout the ages who fought Islam said the same thing as you and where are they now?


The continual spread of Islam has been predicted & prophecised by the Prophet (pbuh) when Muslims didn't even number in the hundreds and were facing the most severe persecution & opposition.

If there were ever a time Muslims would abandon their faith en masse, they would have done it then.

You've seen a few ppl claim to leave Islam and you turn that into hundreds of thousands. You are truly delusional

For every Muslim who "claims" to have left Islam, I can assure you more than tenfold enter the faith.

I just read about an American female whose law education & study of Islam was funded and subsequently relocated to the Middle East just so she could start causing Muslims to doubt their faith. Lo & Behold, she herself became a Muslim.

Having said that, I can understand your apprehension in picking up the Qur'an

Again you're shooting yourself in the foot repeatedly. Everything you say becomes ammunition for me and it shows everybody more and more that you have a hidden agenda.

I have repeatedly called your bluff & suggested you read the Qur'an before you reach definitive conclusions, IF YOU ARE IN FACT LOOKING TO UNDERSTAND ISLAM, HADITH, OR THE PROPHET (Pbuh).

But your refusal to even pick up the Qur'an reveals a whole lot, and your point is becoming more and more futile.

That is like someone who wants to understand complex scientific principles but refuses to read a book or attend a university class. Utterly stupid.........in fact nobody in their right mind would do such a thing. Unless, ofcourse, you have ulterior motives.

Islam is growing, and let me tell you something.......I happen to be in the most conservative parts of Texas right now......literally "Bush country" and I can see first-hand white Texan Muslims being taken into the fold of Islam. Wanna hear assalamu alaikum in a good Texan drawl?

Here's an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYo2T3V3 ... in%20texas

[avowedly-agnostic]

[quote= Gacalisa] you only bash Islam and constantly forget the actions and believes of others. [/quote]

Given my audience on SomaliNet are Muslims, my criticism of religion will naturally be directed against Islam. Also note I haven't said anything concerning Islam that's untrue. Everything I've said about Islam I've substantiated with evidence (in this case a hadith) .

Also instead of finger pointing at other religions (that also have their flaws, though not on the same scale) you should accept that some aspects of Islamic teachings are evil and malevolent. If Islam is the true religion of God, then it shouldn't contain belligerent and hostile attitudes toward non-Muslim people that only seek to walk the roads in peace and safety. The fact that it does raises some questions as to the validity of it.

Finally, when ever I criticise certain aspects of Islam, you argue that Christians and Jews committed such and such atrocity at a time long ago. What you should understand is that religions are judged not by the actions of some of its followers, but rather based on its sources of religious instruction. There's nothing in the New Testament of the Christians which incites the persecution of non-Christians. There is however religious texts in Islam that do. That's the difference.

[avowedly-agnostic]

Gedo_Boy

You haven’t answered why the prophet was so hostile to Jews and Christians. I’m not interested in discussing Communism or Texan Muslims at this precise moment. I’m quite happy to discuss those topics once we’ve resolved this issue.

[/quote= Gedo_Boy] But your refusal to even pick up the Qur'an reveals a whole lot, and your point is becoming more and more futile. [quote]

I’ve read the Quran, and it doesn’t give any additional meaning to the hadith. If you’ve uncovered a Koranic verse which can help us better understand the hadith feel free to share it with us.

The hadith is clear, unambiguous and self-explanatory. It’s a reflection of the character of Mohammed whom judging from the hadith was a hate-filled machete wielding bigot.

[Hinda_Haldha]

This is truly what a kafir is. You are truly under the guidence of Shaitan as it is made impossible for you to understand.

[avowedly-agnostic]

[quote= Hinda_Haldha] This is truly what a kafir is. You are truly under the guidence of Shaitan as it is made impossible for you to understand. [/quote]

Hinda dear, I haven't said anything about Islam that may be deemed as blasphemous or untrue. All I've done is attempt to ask a sincere, genuine and legitimate question which needs to be clarified by those that say Islam is tolerant of people of contrary faiths. Is that really a grave crime?

Either one can confront the reality of Islam's intolerance and hate filled doctrines, or turn the other way and carry on in the deluding belief that Islam is accepting and tolerant.

My question is really simple and straight forward: If (I ask) Muslims believe Islam is a tolerant religion, why then does the prophet say Muslims should belittle non-Muslims whom they confront on the street?