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All laws are man made since there is no god. But the one fumndamental difference with modern laws at least in democratic societries is that the citizen is a stake-holder in them: I can change them, ammend them, protest against themn and most make them.
And i disagre with your assertion that one has to be a slave for a God or man. I am slave for no one and I distinctly dislike any being human or ET who treats or addresses people as slaves. Call me when god learns new vocabulry like fiends, mates, buddies or comrades.
SECULAR DISCOURSE FOR SOMALIA
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Sahib is worthy noting that despotism/liberal democracy may govern without faith, but liberty cannot. How is it possible that society should escape destruction if the moral tie is not strengthened in proportion as the political tie is relaxed? And what can be done with a people who are their own masters if they are not submissive to the Deity. And since democracy implies "rule by majority" that sufficing public opinion will construct whcih sort of goverment and governace style may be instituted in Somalia. Example the majority of Somalis in Mogadishu have shown there loath for tribal politics and clan warfare that have lay siege of the capital city for almost two decades and dispense thousand of innocent life to early and unnecessary grave.
So whats wrong if the majority of the inhabitants choosed to have an Islamic style local goverment that seek to spouse and govern the city by Shariah law? my views is the will of the people have to be respected if they have opted for a goverment that govern through Shariah law so be it? no external entity have the right to question the will of those people simply on the premises that global terrorist groups may seek by default to called Somalia home or form an intricate relation with the goverment by default since they both moslem.
I believe that Sharia law if is carefully and thoughtfully applied that it will teaches all Somalis, who will but consult it, that being equal and independent irrelevant of qabil and class, no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liiberty or possessions for that matter and may not unless it be to do justice on an offender, take away, or impair the life, or what tends to the preservation of the life, liberty health or property of another. And is through the Shariah Law that the rampamt abuse unleashed by backward ideology of qabil and not to mention the psychological, financial and political abuse dispense by previous regime(s) in Somalia such as the likes of Siyat Barre against there chosen victims based on their tribal charasteristic, as Sharia Law will remove any subtle anomolities engraved in typical Somali culture of pathological association with qabils, Shariah law unlike man made laws is indiference and does not give a fock to Derod/Hewiya/Essak or any other tribal institution, and any leader that seek to base the functionality of his/her goverment on qabil modus operandi will find hard to circumvent the system.
Galol you may be aware in secular democracy freedom of speech are of great importance so as to liberty and the right to choose plan of life, if that of all of Somalis hapen to be living under Shariah law...then their right to choose a plan of life and their choice must be respected irrelevant if it hapen to be detrimental to them as the choice of the majority should suffice at all time, in secular democracy which you cherish will maintain that the voice or the will of majority either gathered through ballot box or communual consesus have to respected irrelevant if the people have armecably agree to have goverment that will sort them on the basis of religion, shared culture or political ideology. period!.
So whats wrong if the majority of the inhabitants choosed to have an Islamic style local goverment that seek to spouse and govern the city by Shariah law? my views is the will of the people have to be respected if they have opted for a goverment that govern through Shariah law so be it? no external entity have the right to question the will of those people simply on the premises that global terrorist groups may seek by default to called Somalia home or form an intricate relation with the goverment by default since they both moslem.
I believe that Sharia law if is carefully and thoughtfully applied that it will teaches all Somalis, who will but consult it, that being equal and independent irrelevant of qabil and class, no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liiberty or possessions for that matter and may not unless it be to do justice on an offender, take away, or impair the life, or what tends to the preservation of the life, liberty health or property of another. And is through the Shariah Law that the rampamt abuse unleashed by backward ideology of qabil and not to mention the psychological, financial and political abuse dispense by previous regime(s) in Somalia such as the likes of Siyat Barre against there chosen victims based on their tribal charasteristic, as Sharia Law will remove any subtle anomolities engraved in typical Somali culture of pathological association with qabils, Shariah law unlike man made laws is indiference and does not give a fock to Derod/Hewiya/Essak or any other tribal institution, and any leader that seek to base the functionality of his/her goverment on qabil modus operandi will find hard to circumvent the system.
Galol you may be aware in secular democracy freedom of speech are of great importance so as to liberty and the right to choose plan of life, if that of all of Somalis hapen to be living under Shariah law...then their right to choose a plan of life and their choice must be respected irrelevant if it hapen to be detrimental to them as the choice of the majority should suffice at all time, in secular democracy which you cherish will maintain that the voice or the will of majority either gathered through ballot box or communual consesus have to respected irrelevant if the people have armecably agree to have goverment that will sort them on the basis of religion, shared culture or political ideology. period!.
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(sura anbiyaa)
23. He cannot be questioned as to what He does, while they will be questioned.
As the created being, what authority do you have to choose what you are to be addressed by God as?
Do you have a job?
I bet you don't even have the pleasure (or audacity) of choosing what to be called at work while you are a subordinate of a fellow human being, what makes you think you can demand such terms from a God who sustains you since birth, despite your transgressions against Him?
God is more than just to you, and with Him you will get (maybe) more than what you deserve, but definitely not less. That would never be the case with human beings.
God holds all the cards, you have no say in what you are addressed, but suffice it to say that God has honored the son of Adam by placing him master of Earth, among other things. Why are all animals subjugated before you while the vast majority are stronger than you?
Ever stop to think about that and thank God for that?
(sura maryam)
There is none in the heavens and the earth but comes unto the Most Beneficent (Allâh) as a slave.
23. He cannot be questioned as to what He does, while they will be questioned.
As the created being, what authority do you have to choose what you are to be addressed by God as?
Do you have a job?
I bet you don't even have the pleasure (or audacity) of choosing what to be called at work while you are a subordinate of a fellow human being, what makes you think you can demand such terms from a God who sustains you since birth, despite your transgressions against Him?
God is more than just to you, and with Him you will get (maybe) more than what you deserve, but definitely not less. That would never be the case with human beings.
God holds all the cards, you have no say in what you are addressed, but suffice it to say that God has honored the son of Adam by placing him master of Earth, among other things. Why are all animals subjugated before you while the vast majority are stronger than you?
Ever stop to think about that and thank God for that?
(sura maryam)
There is none in the heavens and the earth but comes unto the Most Beneficent (Allâh) as a slave.
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The rebel
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[quote="COOL-MAN"]Just look@ the number of deenless characters in this thread 
it is amazing how much time and energy they spend discussing what they hold to be insignificant in one's life
the deenless in somalinet discuss more deen than the deen-haves how come?[/quote]
LOOL@deenless.
COOL MAN
In the real world, outside of this fantasy world that a lot of Muslim seem to live in, people have doubts. These doubts may cause us to have to take pauses, re-evaluate our situations, and take action. For our sake not for deenless' sake.
it is amazing how much time and energy they spend discussing what they hold to be insignificant in one's life the deenless in somalinet discuss more deen than the deen-haves how come?
[/quote]LOOL@deenless.
COOL MAN
In the real world, outside of this fantasy world that a lot of Muslim seem to live in, people have doubts. These doubts may cause us to have to take pauses, re-evaluate our situations, and take action. For our sake not for deenless' sake.
tz, i mentioned to you about on the other thread how the west operates on self interests and do as we want and play to our music or face our fury policy.
For example they envaded iraq to rid them of saddam and give them the opportunity to vote in a democratic elections and put in power people of the their choice. when the palestinians do just that (i.e entrusting their gov with people they voted for in a democraticaly held voting), we are told they made a mistake
me no understand how the western mind operates do you 
For example they envaded iraq to rid them of saddam and give them the opportunity to vote in a democratic elections and put in power people of the their choice. when the palestinians do just that (i.e entrusting their gov with people they voted for in a democraticaly held voting), we are told they made a mistake
me no understand how the western mind operates do you
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Galol,
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're fighting an inevitable outcome:
(sura nur)
55. Allâh has promised those among you who believe, and do righteous good deeds, that He will certainly grant them succession to (the present rulers) in the earth, as He granted it to those before them, and that He will grant them the authority to practise their religion, that which He has chosen for them (i.e. Islâm). And He will surely give them in exchange a safe security after their fear (provided) they (believers) worship Me and do not associate anything (in worship) with Me. But whoever disbelieved after this, they are the Fâsiqûn (rebellious, disobedient to Allâh).
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're fighting an inevitable outcome:
(sura nur)
55. Allâh has promised those among you who believe, and do righteous good deeds, that He will certainly grant them succession to (the present rulers) in the earth, as He granted it to those before them, and that He will grant them the authority to practise their religion, that which He has chosen for them (i.e. Islâm). And He will surely give them in exchange a safe security after their fear (provided) they (believers) worship Me and do not associate anything (in worship) with Me. But whoever disbelieved after this, they are the Fâsiqûn (rebellious, disobedient to Allâh).
[quote="The rebel"][quote="COOL-MAN"]Just look@ the number of deenless characters in this thread it is amazing how much time and energy they spend discussing what they hold to be insignificant in one's life
the deenless in somalinet discuss more deen than the deen-haves how come?[/quote]
LOOL@deenless.
COOL MAN
In the real world, outside of this fantasy world that a lot of Muslim seem to live in, people have doubts. These doubts may cause us to have to take pauses, re-evaluate our situations, and take action. For our sake not for deenless' sake.[/quote]
rebel,
i am striving to be like these blessed lot the almighty has talked about in the opening chapters of suran baqarah, i have no shed of doubt in me regarding islam.
YUSUFALI: A.L.M.
002.002
YUSUFALI: This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah;
002.003
YUSUFALI: Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;
002.004
YUSUFALI: And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.
002.005
YUSUFALI: They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.
if doubts crop up due to the sheydaan, all i do is do is to pray two rakacas and do this duca.
Allahuma yaa muqalibal quluub, thabit qalbii calaa deenika
it is amazing how much time and energy they spend discussing what they hold to be insignificant in one's life the deenless in somalinet discuss more deen than the deen-haves how come?
[/quote]LOOL@deenless.
COOL MAN
In the real world, outside of this fantasy world that a lot of Muslim seem to live in, people have doubts. These doubts may cause us to have to take pauses, re-evaluate our situations, and take action. For our sake not for deenless' sake.[/quote]
rebel,
i am striving to be like these blessed lot the almighty has talked about in the opening chapters of suran baqarah, i have no shed of doubt in me regarding islam.
YUSUFALI: A.L.M.
002.002
YUSUFALI: This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah;
002.003
YUSUFALI: Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;
002.004
YUSUFALI: And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.
002.005
YUSUFALI: They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.
if doubts crop up due to the sheydaan, all i do is do is to pray two rakacas and do this duca.
Allahuma yaa muqalibal quluub, thabit qalbii calaa deenika
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COOL MAN
I did not mean that you may had doubts. I was talking in general. All I am saying is, there are some muslims between us who got doubts, maybe they are young and I wanted to say there is nothing wrong having some doubts. If Allah(swt) is going to punish us for having doubts then he isn’t the most merciful is he? Deen is yosor don't make it osor and eqab
I did not mean that you may had doubts. I was talking in general. All I am saying is, there are some muslims between us who got doubts, maybe they are young and I wanted to say there is nothing wrong having some doubts. If Allah(swt) is going to punish us for having doubts then he isn’t the most merciful is he? Deen is yosor don't make it osor and eqab
[quote="biko"]its too bloody hot to be shewing, so am sober as a judge.
am suporting the islamic courts in somalia as long as they are not hiding behind islam. i totaly reject the idea that any country that choose the shariaa will automatically abuse and persecute its citezens that dont follow the islamic faith. its not going to be easy for us faraxs but its not imposible.[/quote]
i am supporting an islamic state too,it's going to be easy for everyone.
Allah has made it yusr (easy ) sxb. if only we tried a little to make it manifest in our lifes, wallah we would have seen what a difference it makes in one's and soceities lives at large. tahts if only...
am suporting the islamic courts in somalia as long as they are not hiding behind islam. i totaly reject the idea that any country that choose the shariaa will automatically abuse and persecute its citezens that dont follow the islamic faith. its not going to be easy for us faraxs but its not imposible.[/quote]
i am supporting an islamic state too,it's going to be easy for everyone.
Allah has made it yusr (easy ) sxb. if only we tried a little to make it manifest in our lifes, wallah we would have seen what a difference it makes in one's and soceities lives at large. tahts if only...
[quote="The rebel"]COOL MAN
I did not mean that you may had doubts. I was talking in general. All I am saying is, there are some muslims between us who got doubts, maybe they are young and I wanted to say there is nothing wrong having some doubts. If Allah(swt) is going to punish us for having doubts then he isn’t the most merciful is he? Deen is yosor don't make it osor and eqab [/quote]
where is it encouraged (or did i read you wrong) to have doubts in matters partaining to religion (islam)?? me beliefs only munaafuqs have/develop doubts
sheydaan does often wisper in peoples hearts. however the above duca and the reciting of the three last chapters of the quran is kafaya (enough) for for the true believer.
am out. laterzs and gedo boy jaza kullah for your efforts akhii.
I did not mean that you may had doubts. I was talking in general. All I am saying is, there are some muslims between us who got doubts, maybe they are young and I wanted to say there is nothing wrong having some doubts. If Allah(swt) is going to punish us for having doubts then he isn’t the most merciful is he? Deen is yosor don't make it osor and eqab
[/quote]where is it encouraged (or did i read you wrong
) to have doubts in matters partaining to religion (islam)?? me beliefs only munaafuqs have/develop doubts sheydaan does often wisper in peoples hearts. however the above duca and the reciting of the three last chapters of the quran is kafaya (enough) for for the true believer.
am out. laterzs and gedo boy jaza kullah for your efforts akhii.
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