The Word 'Waaq' is in the Quran.........
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CAWAR, I stated the facts and it shouldn't bother you to the extent you take a cheap a shot at me. You demonstrated how very unhappy you were with the peace the courts brought to Muqdisho and environs and never acknowledged their efforts. You were one unhappy fella from day one Muqdisho had the dawn of peace. The courts weren't perfect, everyone knew, but they did best for Muqdisho and environs. If the problem was men among them who had iffy characters, so is the TFG full of bigots and selL-outs, murderers, rapists, hateful men like A/Y. BUT THAT ISN'T A PROBLEM FOR YOU, YOU are blind conviniently.
Geeddi is viewed to be a puppet, so is every hawiye in the TFG. It is all about perception and that is what I stated. If other somalis love their warlords, Hawiye decided to fight against them because they were the men against the peace not the Hawiye persons in Muqdisho in general. You wrongly put the blame on Hawiye when they were in fact hostage to the warlords and their militia, the same warlords given shlerter and protection by A/Y when he could have arested them and exiled them with the help of zenawi.
Bottom line, TFG is a clan based organization, and as such, no one including A/Y should act against the interest of any clan. To reer Muqdisho, ina Aydiid and Geedi are nothing but stooges, A/Y holds the key too all policies. A/Y also represents his clan espite his title, and he must respect and keep in mind the clan sentiments of others. Not too much to ask. Now, do go on insult Hawiye as you do.
Geeddi is viewed to be a puppet, so is every hawiye in the TFG. It is all about perception and that is what I stated. If other somalis love their warlords, Hawiye decided to fight against them because they were the men against the peace not the Hawiye persons in Muqdisho in general. You wrongly put the blame on Hawiye when they were in fact hostage to the warlords and their militia, the same warlords given shlerter and protection by A/Y when he could have arested them and exiled them with the help of zenawi.
Bottom line, TFG is a clan based organization, and as such, no one including A/Y should act against the interest of any clan. To reer Muqdisho, ina Aydiid and Geedi are nothing but stooges, A/Y holds the key too all policies. A/Y also represents his clan espite his title, and he must respect and keep in mind the clan sentiments of others. Not too much to ask. Now, do go on insult Hawiye as you do.
"CAWAR, I stated the facts and it shouldn't bother you to the extent you take a cheap a shot at me. You demonstrated how very unhappy you were with the peace the courts brought to Muqdisho and environs and never acknolwledged their efforts. You were one unhappy fella from day one Muqdisho had the dawn of peace.
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Gamadid
I didnt need to read further than this to find so many inaccurate statements in your post..
I didnt take a cheap at you but stated jokingly of what I thought you did in your previous post.
I never demonstarted (if records are of any use) of any unhappiness with the courts and how they brought peace to Mogadishu, infact as recent as today I was pointing to that achievement but you chose to ignore that...wondering why??
And last but not the least, I think I could savley say and assume...that I am No. 1 fan of Mogadishu stability and peace...cos I have/had so much at stake in that city unlike many others who associate themselves with the city cos of clan affiliations...AW is a very good example..
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Gamadid
I didnt need to read further than this to find so many inaccurate statements in your post..
I didnt take a cheap at you but stated jokingly of what I thought you did in your previous post.
I never demonstarted (if records are of any use) of any unhappiness with the courts and how they brought peace to Mogadishu, infact as recent as today I was pointing to that achievement but you chose to ignore that...wondering why??

And last but not the least, I think I could savley say and assume...that I am No. 1 fan of Mogadishu stability and peace...cos I have/had so much at stake in that city unlike many others who associate themselves with the city cos of clan affiliations...AW is a very good example..

Cawar, I didn't read what you wrote today, just showed up for work and started where I left off which is this thread. I read selectively here. I didn't see your post so my apologies saxib. And I would be surprised if I saw you write anything positive about the courts cause You were unyielding and resolute in your opposition to them and never saw you, with the exception of what you wrote today which I didn't read yet, highlight their mistakes and good deeds dispassionately. You favour the TFG, evidence of which is in your Avatar, and not a crime in itself, galol does favour them for his own reasons, but beautification of uglies, warlords as saints, something black as white, is preposterous in my book.
Saxib, I should have directed my vitriol at the deserving party of bigots, but you get in the line, so, step aside and let me deal with the bigots who yesterday were singing the clan song and today want to sing a national tone.
Sorry saxib, I am upset the fact that people I care about the most have their lives turned upside down by a group of murderers riding ethiopian tanks who don't have people's interests at heart. TFG surely has real problems on their hands and things might get uglier than we want to see. Peace is our best option but the men who would bring it are the same ones who plutoed it to begin with. And those who proven capable have been boxed in between seasand and the thickness of the jungle.
Sorry again bro, let me deal with the real hypocrites, they know who they are. ciao saxib, gotta run for now.
Saxib, I should have directed my vitriol at the deserving party of bigots, but you get in the line, so, step aside and let me deal with the bigots who yesterday were singing the clan song and today want to sing a national tone.
Sorry saxib, I am upset the fact that people I care about the most have their lives turned upside down by a group of murderers riding ethiopian tanks who don't have people's interests at heart. TFG surely has real problems on their hands and things might get uglier than we want to see. Peace is our best option but the men who would bring it are the same ones who plutoed it to begin with. And those who proven capable have been boxed in between seasand and the thickness of the jungle.
Sorry again bro, let me deal with the real hypocrites, they know who they are. ciao saxib, gotta run for now.
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[quote="Cawar"]Hey your somali is improving after all...good for you..
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I see that you have been listening to the Darood kids again. My Af Somali is as solid as my Duriya blood, I (like many posters) choose to write in English...
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Believe me I will never be sheegato...I am the real deal...wether that is Bantu, MJ or Hawiye is up to you to be confused about it...but couldnt be prouder of who I am...
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Just like the Negro motto "I am black, and I am proud"
You wouldn't need to utter those words if you were not BANTU. 

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I see that you have been listening to the Darood kids again. My Af Somali is as solid as my Duriya blood, I (like many posters) choose to write in English...
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Believe me I will never be sheegato...I am the real deal...wether that is Bantu, MJ or Hawiye is up to you to be confused about it...but couldnt be prouder of who I am...

Just like the Negro motto "I am black, and I am proud"


Galol,
I am also not suggesting you go to a pilgrimmage to Abdudwaaq because there is no legal Islamic ritual tied to Abdudwaaq.
I am not suggesting 'Waaq' is one of Allah's 99 names, I am not even sure if it refers to Allah. Maybe it is an entirely Polytheist term.
However, I said that it is interesting to note that the word Waaq does exist in the Quran, and it conveys the term 'Protector'.
If we take the lessons of the Prophet, every society has the concept of a Monotheistic God, and Polytheism is usually a result of the corruption of Monotheistic 'Fitra'.
Case in point: The Arabs who were Polytheistic had the term Allah before Islam. The Prophet's father's name was Abdulllah.
If we agree that all nations and people, at one point or another, had the concept of Monotheistic Supreme deity, then maybe Waaq is a remnant of that.
I am also not suggesting you go to a pilgrimmage to Abdudwaaq because there is no legal Islamic ritual tied to Abdudwaaq.
I am not suggesting 'Waaq' is one of Allah's 99 names, I am not even sure if it refers to Allah. Maybe it is an entirely Polytheist term.
However, I said that it is interesting to note that the word Waaq does exist in the Quran, and it conveys the term 'Protector'.
If we take the lessons of the Prophet, every society has the concept of a Monotheistic God, and Polytheism is usually a result of the corruption of Monotheistic 'Fitra'.
Case in point: The Arabs who were Polytheistic had the term Allah before Islam. The Prophet's father's name was Abdulllah.
If we agree that all nations and people, at one point or another, had the concept of Monotheistic Supreme deity, then maybe Waaq is a remnant of that.
[quote="Ben Dover"]The Waaq in that verse has absolutely nothing to do with the ancient Oromo God of Waq.
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How do you know that? I'm saying it's a possibility and you're saying it's not a possibility. The burden of proof is upon you, my friend, to discount that there exists even a slight possibility.
Are you intimately familiar with the linguistic etymology of the ancient language of the Oromos?
See my post above.......wasn't there a monotheistic word for God (Allah)
in the Pagan Arab traditions?
Besides, I'm sure you know that in Quran Tajweed, if you stop at the end of the Aya, it is pronounced 'Waaq'.
If you were to spell Abdudwaaq in Arabic, it would be spelled and pronounced EXACTLY as it is in the Quran.
وَاقٍ
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How do you know that? I'm saying it's a possibility and you're saying it's not a possibility. The burden of proof is upon you, my friend, to discount that there exists even a slight possibility.
Are you intimately familiar with the linguistic etymology of the ancient language of the Oromos?
See my post above.......wasn't there a monotheistic word for God (Allah)
in the Pagan Arab traditions?
Besides, I'm sure you know that in Quran Tajweed, if you stop at the end of the Aya, it is pronounced 'Waaq'.
If you were to spell Abdudwaaq in Arabic, it would be spelled and pronounced EXACTLY as it is in the Quran.
وَاقٍ
Last edited by Gedo_Boy on Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.
[quote="Gamadid."]Gedo,
It is difficult to defend Hawiye, I have been doing it for years on Somalinet, a task which earned me good titles and won me many friends here, but still a daunting task to undertake. Thanks saxib
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Gamadid

My very close & dear Quran dugsi teacher was HG........one of the most noble people I have met in my entire life.
It is difficult to defend Hawiye, I have been doing it for years on Somalinet, a task which earned me good titles and won me many friends here, but still a daunting task to undertake. Thanks saxib

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Gamadid


My very close & dear Quran dugsi teacher was HG........one of the most noble people I have met in my entire life.
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