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But the ICU is now, for all practical purposes, destroyed. It's obvious the Ethiopians are not going to allow it to rule or allow the Somalis to choose a like minded government. They will drag a rake over the country first. So the question is, do you want to take a shot with the TFG or descend into anarchy, cause that is really the stark choice you are faced with.

You said 5 years ago that Taleban was destroyed but they are back tougher than ever and Hamid Karzai couldn't rule the country for 15 minutes if you left.

In Iraq George Bush said mission accomplished more than 3 years ago and more and more americans are getting killed now and if they pulled out Nuri Al Maliki and his racist shiica gov. would be ousted in no time.

And in both of those countries every analyst says that you are losing the war, no matter how great military power you have.

Let's hope Somalia is no different.

This is typical Muslim shit. The Taliban are hardly "tougher than ever". They control nothing. They kill kids and women when they get the chance. Launch suicide attacks. That's it. Their main goal is to survive, and they have managed to do that by using Waziristan as a sanctuary. They are not folding their tents, but they also are not prepared to storm even our most remote outpost and try and overrun it either. Our casualties there are light. The Taliban can not be defeated, but they can't win either. They are a Pashtun based movement, the Pashtuns are now split, and the other Afghan ethnic groups do not support them, and are not going to support them.

Iraq is totally different. Iraq has descended into a civil war which really has nothing to do with us, and is going to keep on going once we leave if Iraq can not build real security apparatus now. The Iraqis are running out of time, and I predict major warfare with hundreds of thousands of casualties annually from 2010 onwards. But it won't be a defeat for us, even though the Islamists will try and sell it as such. Our goal was to get rid of Saddam, and we accomlished that. Anything else was gravy.

Yeah you focked up those two countries like criminals with no respect to international law you are and brought nothing but total chaos. And I guess you don't read much news. In two years I didn't see any report telling about US accomplishments In Iraq or Afghanistan, only about your failures.

But my point to this topic was that like in those two examples, fast military victory in beginning doesn't mean the victory of whole war and you can't force your own way to another country. In Iraq and Afghanistan people hate the government and so will be in Somalia.

Salahudin
Pay attention. Armies can kill and destroy. That's what they do. That's what they are designed to do. We can do it better than anyone else in the world. That means, you want America to be your friend, because we can be a very unpleasant enemy. We call the shots in Afghanistan, and we've focked up Iraq. The Ethiopians took a page out of our playbook and given Southern Somalia a working over. Why didn't they trash Somaliland or Puntland? Because those places weren't focking with them or threatening them.

You play nice with us, we'll play nice with you. You piss us off, and we'll fock you up. And there is nothing you can do about that.

Mad...

there is nothing such as Extreemism, Terrorism or Injustice in Islam.

Al-qaida and other like wise so called ISlamic extremist organisations are made up by US to targert Any Islamic state on the rise to power.

If i had to choose a country then Iran comes the closest although i don't totaly agree with them...

You can have democratric parlament but only When Law and order is established and Islam is ours ..

Karbash
You know, the day may come when Somalia can have a great Islamic Republic, modeled on the Iranian model. But that day is not today. Right now, because enough Muslims decided that the West in general, and America in particular, was their enemy, there has been a militant movement supported by a large number of Muslims attacking American interests world wide. You know it, I know it, focking George Bush knows it. And the focking Muslims should have better focking known better. Those are American citizens getting killed. We ain't gonna have a sense of humor about that sort of shit. Ya know what I'm saying?

The american goverment along with israel is the enemy of Islam since it tries and has done for most partsof the world Subjugated or detroyed every likely hood of a stable Islamic State.

Killing...

People day far more often in the islamic world thanks to US made contraversy which continues threw outthe middle east. ISn't that an act of terrorism?

Is the lives of american citizens more valuable then those in the middle east or africa?

Mac please Don't mention killing because America have mastered a great deal of it.

All this islamic extremist terrorist proppaganda is a made up idea to sum up the islamic states and power of the muslims.

Even the americans know it!

Soon you'll hear a dirty bomb has been dropped some where in the US so We must fight back terrorism blaiming yet another islamic state and ordering an attack possibly even a nuclear one since they will claim that the dirty bomb was laucnhed by iranians covering up the real problem which they have with an islamic state going nuclear!!

If im a strong muslim in power of my own state, i'm an extremist terrorist where as if im a ameriacn muslim civilian who worls in low payed jobbed and don't have much to do with politics like most somali here , then we are moderate Muslims.

the truth is you either Muslim or you Not.. Nothing in between

Have it your way. And reap the whirlwind.

Who gave America the right to rule over and decide What goes on in the worl??

They enter every ones affairs while claiming to be stomping out terrorism??

who made them the global Hero??

If there is a terrorist It's USA and Isreal who Forcefully occupies another nation!

[quote="Karbaash_killa"]Who gave America the right to rule over and decide What goes on in the worl??

They enter every ones affairs while claiming to be stomping out terrorism??

who made them the global Hero??

If there is a terrorist It's USA and Isreal who Forcefully occupies another nation![/quote]


XAQ WALLAHI

Might makes right. Be nice to us, and we'll be nice to you. Fock with us, and we'll fock with you. I don't know how much clearer I can make it.

Ok
So being an islmic leader who wants to run his country according to his religion.. and some of people are not so happy with my ruling is that my problem or is it FAKIN with USA?

NO 1 is stupid enough to fak with USA but if USA Fakks with the world then some one will have to put them in their place as a nation among other and not a nation superior to others

Karbash
You are no in the position to limit US power. And the US is only going to fock with you if you make it.

The ICU has now been effectively neutered. What we can and can't do is obvious, wouldn't you say?