What does Moderate Muslim mean?

[biko]

[quote="MAD MAC"]Biko
Come on, man, you are not being intellectually honest here. There are no massive violent Christian movements. There are no massive violent Bhudist movements. There are no massive, violent Wiccan movements..........etc.

The people of those societies do not believe it is legitimate to kill in the name of religion, and the number of people willing to do that is microscopic. Jihad, and for many violent jihad, is an article of faith in Islam. There is clearly a movement, with tens of thousands of subscribers, who believe that it is right and proper to kill in the name of Islam and to further Islamic goals. There is only one religiously based violent, non-state movement in the world today, and that is under the banner of Islam.[/quote]
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Africa is also the only continent thats constantly on the news about its civil wars and never ending famines. does that mean africans and black people have a prediposition to starve and to wage mindless wars?...yet brasil which have the second largest black population in the world after africa and is hardly been mentioned eventhough the gap between the poors and the rich is a crying scandal. and 99% of those poor people are blacks.


i admit that since Islam is on the radar of the west and especialy more so since 9/11 the call for jihad has increased and so did the numbers of mindless rag heads; or should that be renegad jihadist.

since america is responsible for more than half of the muslim worlds grievances and not to meantion, most of the top ten wanted Islamist were america's friends yesterday, i think its understandable. and just like any american, i see where you are coming from. you are blind to the crimes your country is responsible for past and present. its easy to keep going on about muslim fanatics while you ignore the root cause of those mundless fanatics.

i accept and agree with you about the element within the muslim ummah that are doing damage to our religion as well as causing untold and unwaranted bloodsheds, but i have yet to see you accept and aknowledge the part your country play in all this.

[Grant]

Biko and Mac,

As a practical matter, would you both please consider the case of Keith Ellison, Congressman from Minnesota.

He is the dude who took his oath of office to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States on the Quran.

Do you consider him to be conservative, moderate, reform, munafiiq or kaffir ? Can he be a good Muslim and protect and defend the Constitution at the same time?

[COOL-MAN]

grant,

How can the muslims on this forum answer you negatively (am sure thats what you're after) when most of them or all of them are guilty of the same crime (if it's a crime that is). when i took my british passport, i declared my allegiance to the queen and the same applies to biko and scores of people here who live in the UK AND other monarchy rulled nations in the west.

it's gona be a long debate,i suggest if you are genuine you seek it from a knowledgeable source, online if you want, otherwise continue stiring shit and complain about us later

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Biko
The US has the same foreign policy world wide. It's contributions to mankind have been great. It's foreign policy, in the aggragate, has been positive. But at times it has been avracious. But nowhere could the grievances toward America be greater than in central America. And yet, we do not see violent psychos coming across the border, do we?

No, Islam IS the problem. States can work through disagreements, but you can't argue with the religiously possessed. The Ummah had better get this under control or we will become ever more intrusive.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Finally you guys conceded, MAC was right.

[biko]

mad mac

like i said, you are blind of the crimes your country is responsible for, and all you got to say is that america has done lots of good things; hell, osama has done lots of good things too.


grant

how can one stay a good muslim and yet uphold the constitution of the united state...i doubt if the two will go hand in hand.

one is a holly book and the other is been writen by slave owners..so go figure.

[Grant]

Biko,

Are you saying Ellison isn't a good Muslim?

[biko]

to swear on the holly quran and to protect and uphold the constitution of the united state,...will be like a mission imposible.

whether his a good muslim or not is not my place to say as i dont know the guy and only Allah can judge...but since one is the words of God and the other is been writen by men (slave owners at that), the two will come head to head and the big question is, which one will he put first? the constitution or the Quran?

[Qaarxiye]

modern muslims means = political prostitutes = used condom = kaffir di.ck warmers.

[Ashlee]

^ what do you consider yourself to be then?

[Qaarxiye]

MUSLIM.

[+chilli]

Mac --i consider you a extremist, your willing to kill ppl under the banner 'America'.

'O People of the Book! Make no excess in your religion, trespassing beyond the truth, nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by, who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the even Way.' ( al-Ma'idah 5:77)


“The essence of Islam is to avoid all extravagances on either side. It is a sober, practical religion.” ( 143 - 2:143)

Islam is refer to as the 'middle path', you can intepret that as moderate, Muslims have to follow the middle path, the path that has no extremes or excesses.

but Moderate in the sense of the media and others is a 'hypocrite'.

[Ashlee]

q, so do you think that people who condone the 9/11 attacks and kill innocent people in subway stations which include muslims, as a good representation of ALL muslims?

[JaMaaL-23]

Let them call us Extremist, Fundamentalist, or Moderate, BUT THEY WILL NEVER MONOPOLISE VOILENCE.

There will always be some payback for uncle Sam's agression from Muslims however small.

Collateral damage is what they call our victims, while they label us as terrorists when they get a slap.

The Jihad injunction thats stipulated in the Shariah is vital defence mechanism to counter the non-believer's beligerence. this why they are working so hard to demonise it.

They have denied us simple human rights by keeping our dictators in power, and with their help squandered our wealth and resources.

they denied us the world, and now they want to deny us the hereafter, corrupting our faith.

[biko]

J

America will never win this so-called war on terror against Islam and Muslims.

Islam is an ideology with over billion followers and growing stronger by the second. so unless they got other means of wiping out that whole billion one by one, better they save themselves the trouble and give up, and take the shahaada.