SOMALIA:TIME TO BE PATIENT

[fagash_killer]

[quote="MAD MAC"]The writer doesn't even mention the issue of Islamists. He doesn't seem to understand that the as long as the Islamists maintain anti-western positions, support irredentists claims, Somalia will have no peace.[/quote]

mad mac the writer calls all somalis to be patience thus including the islamic courts supporters if he insults the islamic courts means that he insults the supporters of islamic courts.thats why i said to micheal we dont have nothing with if.some of us blaim the tfg for letting ethiopia in our country some the islamic courts for declaring jihaad on ethiopia but what if we all stay in the middle and learn of our mistakes and move on we are human the islamic courts made a mistake and the tfg to but the ppl of somalia can forgive them and togheter we need to move on. i salute the writer we need articles like this not articles/writers that its insulting the islamic courts ore the tfg for that matter.it looks like that only 2 players exsist in somalia somalia doesnt only exsist of the tfg and islamic courts somalia exsist also trough the ppl of somalia we want a democracy its about time that the leaders of somalia understand this point.

[Ismahan445]

Somali can only have peace if its citizen allow it to happen.

[fagash_killer]

[quote="Ismahan445"]Somali can only have peace if its citizen allow it to happen.[/quote]

excectly not only the citizens but somalis who live in the west they can help and free the citizens who are held in hostage by warlords.if the warlords failed to archieve the goals of the citizens than their is no democracy and no country. but we could share our power with only honest leaders of somalia but this time its difficult we have for the ifirst time a recognised goverment the citizens and the islamic courts supporters should realise this point to.

[Ismahan445]

[quote="fagash_killer"][quote="Ismahan445"]Somali can only have peace if its citizen allow it to happen.[/quote]

excectly not only the citizens but somalis who live in the west they can help and free the citizens who are held in hostage by warlords.if the warlords failed to archieve the goals of the citizens than their is no democracy and no country. but we could share our power with only honest leaders of somalia but this time its difficult we have for the ifirst time a recognised goverment the citizens and the islamic courts supporters should realise this point to.[/quote]

Hun, there is no honest leaders in Somalia..as for the "recognised gov't" what are they doing so the ppl should give them credit for? The lost all credibility.

[fagash_killer]

[quote="Ismahan445"][quote="fagash_killer"][quote="Ismahan445"]Somali can only have peace if its citizen allow it to happen.[/quote]

excectly not only the citizens but somalis who live in the west they can help and free the citizens who are held in hostage by warlords.if the warlords failed to archieve the goals of the citizens than their is no democracy and no country. but we could share our power with only honest leaders of somalia but this time its difficult we have for the ifirst time a recognised goverment the citizens and the islamic courts supporters should realise this point to.[/quote]

Hun, there is no honest leaders in Somalia..as for the "recognised gov't" what are they doing so the ppl should give them credit for? The lost all credibility.[/quote]

what i went was their are no honest leaders but if their was a democracy we could. but like i said we dont have any choises to accept the tfg even if they are corrupt but if we say yes we recognise you and keep them in xamar the ethiopian troops could leave and once that happends the ppl of somalia can say this time what happend to democry you know what im saying with other words you cant ignore us but if we keep fighting them they will keep fighting us with the help of the west and ethiopian troops we could go back to square 1.

[Ismahan445]

^^^ So you are basically saying we do nothing and just give up to the invaders of our nation. That is sad.... There is nothing wrong in fighting for your land against ppl who want to rule you. If we don't voice our opinions about our gov't and then thats when you are going to have problem. Letting warlord who are responsible for the destruction of Somalia rule us is going back to sqaure one. PLease stop justifying what this govt is doing.

[michael_ital]

No such thing as "Islamacists". There are only Muslims against the meddling and undermining of legitimate leaderships by self serving Yanks. Prime example is that Iraq was 10 times better with Sadaam than it is now after Yank meddling. (at the cost of over 3000 Yank lives)

[dhuusa_deer]

I concur. Islamists, Islamofascits, Islamic extremists etc are buzzwords invented by special interest group to drive home their agenda. They say little or nothing about said groups.

[fagash_killer]

[quote="Ismahan445"]^^^ So you are basically saying we do nothing and just give up to the invaders of our nation. That is sad.... There is nothing wrong in fighting for your land against ppl who want to rule you. If we don't voice our opinions about our gov't and then thats when you are going to have problem. Letting warlord who are responsible for the destruction of Somalia rule us is going back to sqaure one. PLease stop justifying what this govt is doing.[/quote]

yes thats exactly what im saying. they dont want to rule us they just want a peacefull neighbourhood who dont wants to invade them ore declare a jihaad on our brothers.what kind of fighting are you talking about most of the rockets hits only civialians and tfg troops the ethiopian troops are just chillin their i dont call this a succesfull counter attack but a terrorist attack.their are no warlords the warlords are disarmed and they cant do shit anymore.we are moving forward not backward and we can move faster if we accept things how they are.

[Ismahan445]

[quote="fagash_killer"][quote="Ismahan445"]^^^ So you are basically saying we do nothing and just give up to the invaders of our nation. That is sad.... There is nothing wrong in fighting for your land against ppl who want to rule you. If we don't voice our opinions about our gov't and then thats when you are going to have problem. Letting warlord who are responsible for the destruction of Somalia rule us is going back to sqaure one. PLease stop justifying what this govt is doing.[/quote]

yes thats exactly what im saying. they dont want to rule us they just want a peacefull neighbourhood who dont wants to invade them ore declare a jihaad on our brothers.what kind of fighting are you talking about most of the rockets hits only civialians and tfg troops the ethiopian troops are just chillin their i dont call this a succesfull counter attack but a terrorist attack.their are no warlords the warlords are disarmed and they cant do shit anymore.we are moving forward not backward and we can move faster if we accept things how they are.[/quote]

What you are forgetting is that Somalia don't need peacekeeper rather we need to reconcilliate on our own. I believe that if the TFG really wanted to have peace in Somalia, they would have started to do so back in 2004. They didn't approached the people of Xamar the right way, knowing that the situation is very sensitive. They didn't use their political skill if they had any. The people made if clear they don't want Ethiopians or any other forces in Somalia, they should have respected that will in the situation given.

[fagash_killer]

[quote="Ismahan445"][quote="fagash_killer"][quote="Ismahan445"]^^^ So you are basically saying we do nothing and just give up to the invaders of our nation. That is sad.... There is nothing wrong in fighting for your land against ppl who want to rule you. If we don't voice our opinions about our gov't and then thats when you are going to have problem. Letting warlord who are responsible for the destruction of Somalia rule us is going back to sqaure one. PLease stop justifying what this govt is doing.[/quote]

yes thats exactly what im saying. they dont want to rule us they just want a peacefull neighbourhood who dont wants to invade them ore declare a jihaad on our brothers.what kind of fighting are you talking about most of the rockets hits only civialians and tfg troops the ethiopian troops are just chillin their i dont call this a succesfull counter attack but a terrorist attack.their are no warlords the warlords are disarmed and they cant do shit anymore.we are moving forward not backward and we can move faster if we accept things how they are.[/quote]

What you are forgetting is that Somalia don't need peacekeeper rather we need to reconcilliate on our own. I believe that if the TFG really wanted to have peace in Somalia, they would have started to do so back in 2004. They didn't approached the people of Xamar the right way, knowing that the situation is very sensitive. They didn't use their political skill if they had any. The people made if clear they don't want Ethiopians or any other forces in Somalia, they should have respected that will in the situation given.[/quote]

its their job to protect the goverment. like you maybe know etiopian troops left jubbaland in their thousands so somebody else needs to protect the goverment.and that are the peacekeeping force.back in 2004 where they in kenya the problem was that reer moqadisho didnt want to welcome them so how can the tfg at that time approach the ppl of xamar and somalia?only in kenya did they cost alot of money for spending their that shit doesnt go in one minute you know it takes time.

we somali wants to condem others but we failed to look at our own problems if we can solve our own problem let others do it the sad thing is that somalis are now seen as xooloos by the outside world.the islamic courts declared jihaad on ethiopia and thus can ethiopia have all the right to defend them selves yes even in somalia the have not only declared jihaad on ethiopia but they even attacked the goverment and ethiopia can protect the goverment.thats why the au said we give you the green light thats siyasaad.we can now look at ethiopian troops and the peace keeping forces but what about the mistakes the courts and the tfg made.are we willing to learn of their mistakes nothing is on table. we can only insult the outside world its them fault we will keep fighting on no its wrong they will keep fighting us walibanaa they can wip us out.

[Ismahan445]

Fagash Killa
[quote its their job to protect the goverment. like you maybe know etiopian troops left jubbaland in their thousands so somebody else needs to protect the goverment.and that are the peacekeeping force.back in 2004 where they in kenya the problem was that reer moqadisho didnt want to welcome them so how can the tfg at that time approach the ppl of xamar and somalia?only in kenya did they cost alot of money for spending their that shit doesnt go in one minute you know it takes time.

we somali wants to condem others but we failed to look at our own problems if we can solve our own problem let others do it the sad thing is that somalis are now seen as xooloos by the outside world.the islamic courts declared jihaad on ethiopia and thus can ethiopia have all the right to defend them selves yes even in somalia the have not only declared jihaad on ethiopia but they even attacked the goverment and ethiopia can protect the goverment.thats why the au said we give you the green light thats siyasaad.we can now look at ethiopian troops and the peace keeping forces but what about the mistakes the courts and the tfg made.are we willing to learn of their mistakes nothing is on table. we can only insult the outside world its them fault we will keep fighting on no its wrong they will keep fighting us walibanaa they can wip us out[/quote]

Sxb..The Ethiopians are coming in the higest number to 'Disho everyday and they are the ones who are making the shoots not our gov't. THe gov't have not made any attempt to reconcillated with no one, from day one they wanted to rule with an iron fist. Now the Ethiopians are doing their job...only its deadly to our people. The UIC were defending their land and that all I will say about that, since TFG sold their country to Amxaro. Like I said before democracy is learning from mistakes and working with that. TFG, should have considered having a reconcillation meeting long time ago before they even thought about bring Ethiopian into the country. The bottom lines we are our worst enemy and the joke is one us.

[fagash_killer]

[quote="Ismahan445"]Fagash Killa
[quote its their job to protect the goverment. like you maybe know etiopian troops left jubbaland in their thousands so somebody else needs to protect the goverment.and that are the peacekeeping force.back in 2004 where they in kenya the problem was that reer moqadisho didnt want to welcome them so how can the tfg at that time approach the ppl of xamar and somalia?only in kenya did they cost alot of money for spending their that shit doesnt go in one minute you know it takes time.

we somali wants to condem others but we failed to look at our own problems if we can solve our own problem let others do it the sad thing is that somalis are now seen as xooloos by the outside world.the islamic courts declared jihaad on ethiopia and thus can ethiopia have all the right to defend them selves yes even in somalia the have not only declared jihaad on ethiopia but they even attacked the goverment and ethiopia can protect the goverment.thats why the au said we give you the green light thats siyasaad.we can now look at ethiopian troops and the peace keeping forces but what about the mistakes the courts and the tfg made.are we willing to learn of their mistakes nothing is on table. we can only insult the outside world its them fault we will keep fighting on no its wrong they will keep fighting us walibanaa they can wip us out[/quote]

Sxb..The Ethiopians are coming in the higest number to 'Disho everyday and they are the ones who are making the shoots not our gov't. THe gov't have not made any attempt to reconcillated with no one, from day one they wanted to rule with an iron fist. Now the Ethiopians are doing their job...only its deadly to our people. The UIC were defending their land and that all I will say about that, since TFG sold their country to Amxaro. Like I said before democracy is learning from mistakes and working with that. TFG, should have considered having a reconcillation meeting long time ago before they even thought about bring Ethiopian into the country. The bottom lines we are our worst enemy and the joke is one us.[/quote]

ismahan we could go on till tommorow you see but its good we need to express our opnions/views that the first step that needs to be done but till now not one of us did come with what must be done next you say keep fighting we dont have nothing with that. we need to work with our brains not with weapons.once again we all can see that the goverment is not 100% right we can see they are corrupt but we should give them te change. ten second we can come with a prove who is behind this terrorist attack cuss if somalis are on board will the goverment be forced to work with somalis ore else their policy will be busted and ethiopian troops must leave and they know that but somalis are divided ofcourse will the goverment make use of it and they can enjoy longer of their power.than can i say ismahan you was right ore you can say fk you was right. than can i say you was right the goverment was behind it and if their is no other option and they wont listen to us lets all pick our weapons. but if we dont have prove and we are divided looks it like we are sheeps that need to take care off.i hope you understood my point

[Ismahan445]

[quote="fagash_killer"][quote="Ismahan445"]Fagash Killa
[quote its their job to protect the goverment. like you maybe know etiopian troops left jubbaland in their thousands so somebody else needs to protect the goverment.and that are the peacekeeping force.back in 2004 where they in kenya the problem was that reer moqadisho didnt want to welcome them so how can the tfg at that time approach the ppl of xamar and somalia?only in kenya did they cost alot of money for spending their that shit doesnt go in one minute you know it takes time.

we somali wants to condem others but we failed to look at our own problems if we can solve our own problem let others do it the sad thing is that somalis are now seen as xooloos by the outside world.the islamic courts declared jihaad on ethiopia and thus can ethiopia have all the right to defend them selves yes even in somalia the have not only declared jihaad on ethiopia but they even attacked the goverment and ethiopia can protect the goverment.thats why the au said we give you the green light thats siyasaad.we can now look at ethiopian troops and the peace keeping forces but what about the mistakes the courts and the tfg made.are we willing to learn of their mistakes nothing is on table. we can only insult the outside world its them fault we will keep fighting on no its wrong they will keep fighting us walibanaa they can wip us out[/quote]

Sxb..The Ethiopians are coming in the higest number to 'Disho everyday and they are the ones who are making the shoots not our gov't. THe gov't have not made any attempt to reconcillated with no one, from day one they wanted to rule with an iron fist. Now the Ethiopians are doing their job...only its deadly to our people. The UIC were defending their land and that all I will say about that, since TFG sold their country to Amxaro. Like I said before democracy is learning from mistakes and working with that. TFG, should have considered having a reconcillation meeting long time ago before they even thought about bring Ethiopian into the country. The bottom lines we are our worst enemy and the joke is one us.[/quote]

ismahan we could go on till tommorow you see but its good we need to express our opnions/views that the first step that needs to be done but till now not one of us did come with what must be done next you say keep fighting we dont have nothing with that. we need to work with our brains not with weapons.once again we all can see that the goverment is not 100% right we can see they are corrupt but we should give them te change. ten second we can come with a prove who is behind this terrorist attack cuss if somalis are on board will the goverment be forced to work with somalis ore else their policy will be busted and ethiopian troops must leave and they know that but somalis are divided ofcourse will the goverment make use of it and they can enjoy longer of their power.than can i say ismahan you was right ore you can say fk you was right. than can i say you was right the goverment was behind it and if their is no other option and they wont listen to us lets all pick our weapons. but if we dont have prove and we are divided looks it like we are sheeps that need to take care off.i hope you understood my point[/quote

The reason people are fighting is because TFG is working against them and their humanity. It has not done anything for its people, so why give them any chance. They had since 2004 to do anything and now they lost credibility by inviting Ethiopians in to the country. This is the worst thing to come out of the civil war.

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Ismahan

FQ is a political prostitute, he was a fierce ICU supporter, so much that i really wondered whether a family member of his was part of it, he is a w!ho!re just like the other dooro swines (formal ICU Members) that switched sides asoon as the balance of power changed, its a sin to conversate with a male prositute sis.