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yabaree waa qabiil tariikh dheer leh


yabaree waa qabiil soomaaliyeed kana mid ah beel waynta jidwaaq absame , 
waa umad taariikh wayn ku leh Geeska Afrika waana qabiilkii ugu hor yeeshay boqortooyadii geeska afrika boqortooyadani waxay ahayd tii uu hogaaminayay geesiga yabaree axmed guray 
waxyaalaha beeshu ay ku faanto waxaa kamida dhaqan wanaaga iyo gobaanimada oo taariikhda u gashay beel waynta yabaree waxay ahayd qabiilkii soomaaliyeed ee ugu horeeyay kaasoo hogaamiya dagaalkii fool ka foolka ahaa ee la galay dawladii kiristaanka ahayd ee ay xabashidu hogaaminaysay 

beeshu waxay ku fadhidaa dhul aad u balaadhan oo ka mid ah dalka Ethiopia,somalia iyo kenya waxayna ku xoogan yihiin Ismaamulka Somalida Ethiopia waa beel nabad jecel isla markaana aad u ixtiraamta umada ay wada degaan taasina waa dabeecadaha ay ku caanka yihiin maha tariikhda yabaree mid meshan lagu soo koobi karo marka cidii uu bahan wax ka mida taarikhda beesha waxay ka heli kartaa kitaabka tuxfatul xabashi hadii aan wax ka tilmaamo inta beshu ka kooban tahay 



1 reer siciid 

2 reer yusuf 

3 habar liyoow 

4 reer biyo 

5 hodan bare 

http://yabare.blogspot.co.ke/2012/03/ya ... h.html?m=1
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War yaabare anaga wasa ma taariikhda yaabare baan ku weydiiney? , waxa laga hadlaya sidaa loo diidayo xaqqa la soo dhigey, waxeynu soo dhigney makhduudaat qadiimi ah, markaas ayad qolo langaab abtirsiintoodu inoo qoreysa aabaha waalida ka was.
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ZubeirAwal wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:45 pm War yaabare anaga wasa ma taariikhda yaabare baan ku weydiiney? , waxa laga hadlaya sidaa loo diidayo xaqqa la soo dhigey, waxeynu soo dhigney makhduudaat qadiimi ah, markaas ayad qolo langaab abtirsiintoodu inoo qoreysa aabaha waalida ka was.
Chil up man.Maxaad la cabaadaysaa.

Yabaree waa niman Absame ah .Absamana waa laandheeraha Somalida.Niyoow waxba ha isku furin .Waxaadan ahayna ha isku Malaynin...Taarikh aadan lahayna ha sheegaan ileen waad ogtahay dadnimo iyo raganimo toona ineey ahayn inaad sheegato taarikh rag kale leeyihiin.

Axmad Gurey Xuseen wuxuu ka dhashay Yabaree Jidwaaq .Habar Maqdi waa Bartire .Imaam Axmadna wuxuu ka dhashay Karanle Hawiye.
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Where is the evidence of this maqdi makadoor nonsense, we provided manuscript, you are blabbering like a fool.
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zumaale wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:02 pm
X.Playa wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:49 am

I have told you many times stop this pseudo science of assigning a haplogroup to particular ethnic groups. J is widespread in Ethiopia some 20 million Ethiopians has such marker.

Also stop this T obsession of yours where you have arbitrarily assigned such haplotype to your phantom Dir. There is no such clan called Dir. Its a term used for certain groups that at one time lived in Harar thus the name of Shams Al Diin Al Bakri " abaa- Dir " a corruption of Abu Dir or father of Dir.
Don't come at me with unsubstantiated allegations just cause DNA does not support your Aladdin Fairy Tale, I ain't got time for your Bullshit and Arab Daddy Issues.

Man the eff up, do the test and put your money where your mouth is. Now jog on!
Its you who uses DNA to discredit Isaaq tradition while at the same trying to use the same DNA to support a Dir mythology. You can't have it both ways.

There is no such thing called Hashimite DNA nor there is a Levite Jewish one. Yet you repeatedly assign haplogroups to different ethnic groups arbitrarily.

There is no such tribe called. Dir the term itself in Somali means people. For instance a nomad horse lover may inquire " faraskii ma dirkii Ciid baa yo geenyadii heblaayo"

Again whether you like it or not there is no such clan called Dir.
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ZubeirAwal wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:36 pm Where is the evidence of this maqdi makadoor nonsense, we provided manuscript, you are blabbering like a fool.
Which manuscript?do you really take serious this cuqdad-ridden angry iidoor trolls?

Hadalkayga si fcn u dhuux sxb.Hadaan ahay glory hunter rabo inuu sheegto taarikhda dad kale ,waa hore ayaan odhan lahaa Axmed Gurey waa Maxamad Subeer, Ogaden.

Teeda kale waxaa fool ah cida been isku maaweelisa.Manuscript-ga aad ka hadleyso waxaa Ku qoran in qabiilada Somaliyeed ee lagu sheegay Futuxul Xabasha ahaayeen sida tan:Marehan,Yabaree,Habar Maqdi(Bartire),Geri,Harti ,Jiiraan oo intuba ah Darood.qabiilada aan Daroodka ahayn ee somaliyeed jihaadkana ka qeyb qaatay waxaa ka mid ah Masare,Gurgura iyo Hawiya.

Habar Magdi mxaan u iri waa Bartire?

1.Habar Makadoor mise Gadabursi xilligii jihaadka qoys beey ahaayeen.l proved this through abtirsi.

2.Habar Magaadle wax Garaad ah ma qabin Suldaan Guleed ka hor.

3.Habar Magdi waxaa hogaaminayey Garaad Daawit mise dhaweyd oo ahaa garaadka guud ee Absame.

Absame
Bartire
Quwaaxde
Garaad yaaqub
Garaad Wardi
Garaad laag
Garaad Yoonis
Garaad Muuse
Garaad Yuusuf
Garaad Axmad
Garaad Cismaan
Garaad dhaweyd(Adal commander)


Hadaba ,waxaad sheegtaa Jifada iyo Abtirsiinta labadan nin midkood;Axmad Gurey Xuseen iyo Garaad Dhaweyd.
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X.Playa wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:56 pm
zumaale wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:02 pm
X.Playa wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:49 am

I have told you many times stop this pseudo science of assigning a haplogroup to particular ethnic groups. J is widespread in Ethiopia some 20 million Ethiopians has such marker.

Also stop this T obsession of yours where you have arbitrarily assigned such haplotype to your phantom Dir. There is no such clan called Dir. Its a term used for certain groups that at one time lived in Harar thus the name of Shams Al Diin Al Bakri " abaa- Dir " a corruption of Abu Dir or father of Dir.
Don't come at me with unsubstantiated allegations just cause DNA does not support your Aladdin Fairy Tale, I ain't got time for your Bullshit and Arab Daddy Issues.

Man the eff up, do the test and put your money where your mouth is. Now jog on!
Its you who uses DNA to discredit Isaaq tradition while at the same trying to use the same DNA to support a Dir mythology. You can't have it both ways.

There is no such thing called Hashimite DNA nor there is a Levite Jewish one. Yet you repeatedly assign haplogroups to different ethnic groups arbitrarily.

There is no such tribe called. Dir the term itself in Somali means people. For instance a nomad horse lover may inquire " faraskii ma dirkii Ciid baa yo geenyadii heblaayo"

Again whether you like it or not there is no such clan called Dir.
Are u trying to say a sacad Muuse with Y-DNA EV32 and Garxajis with Y-DNA hap-T have a common ancestor who was Banu Hashim :mindblown:
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X.Playa wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:56 pm
zumaale wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:02 pm
X.Playa wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:49 am

I have told you many times stop this pseudo science of assigning a haplogroup to particular ethnic groups. J is widespread in Ethiopia some 20 million Ethiopians has such marker.

Also stop this T obsession of yours where you have arbitrarily assigned such haplotype to your phantom Dir. There is no such clan called Dir. Its a term used for certain groups that at one time lived in Harar thus the name of Shams Al Diin Al Bakri " abaa- Dir " a corruption of Abu Dir or father of Dir.
Don't come at me with unsubstantiated allegations just cause DNA does not support your Aladdin Fairy Tale, I ain't got time for your Bullshit and Arab Daddy Issues.

Man the eff up, do the test and put your money where your mouth is. Now jog on!
Its you who uses DNA to discredit Isaaq tradition while at the same trying to use the same DNA to support a Dir mythology. You can't have it both ways.

There is no such thing called Hashimite DNA nor there is a Levite Jewish one. Yet you repeatedly assign haplogroups to different ethnic groups arbitrarily.

There is no such tribe called. Dir the term itself in Somali means people. For instance a nomad horse lover may inquire " faraskii ma dirkii Ciid baa yo geenyadii heblaayo"

Again whether you like it or not there is no such clan called Dir.
Everytime DNA is discussed and I am present, you Calaacal like a menstruating bitch. I don't suffer fools gladly, you are ignorant when it comes to the basics of genetic genealogy yet you accuse me of assigning haplogroups to different ethnic groups. Nigga, there are peer reviewed papers which have been previously posted on Somalinet that comment on the haplogroup affiliation of Somalis and other ethnic groups.

In this thread, I did not bring up DNA but you were quick to Calaacal about 'Zumaale' like you often do. Nor have I argued that haplogroup T is the preserve of the Dir clan. All I stated is that it appears to be commonly found among Northern Dir subclans as evinced by the Djiboutian and Ethiopian papers, and private test results. Nor am I the only one that has made such a claim online, but I don't see you moaning like a bitch about them too. As a matter of fact, in this thread and the Isaaq Historians Thread, I have argued that a representative sample of all Somali subclans should be obtained before any firm conclusions can be made.

As for 'Dir' not referring to a clan, I will not even dignify that with a response.

If you got issues with the fact that Isaaq clan members who have taken the test are no different than other Somalis who have done the test, and are also not descendants of an 85 year old Iraqi Sheikh :ducktales:, take it up with science. Heck, most of your fellow clan members on Snet don't believe in that crap, why don't you Calaacal at them and hop off my di.ck. :pacspit:

Lastly, if you ain't got the guts to take a test, then the shut the fuck up whenever DNA discussions come up cos its obvious you ain't got the Balls to test your Fairy Tale beliefs.
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BestPlaya wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:19 pm
zumaale wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:00 am
LiquidHYDROGEN wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:33 am


You can't use Warsangelis as an example of Arab lineage in Somalis because many Warsangelis are just assimilated Arab Saalax/Mehris/Southern Semites and other Indian ocean ethnic groups like Indians, Tamils etc. They seem to have a lot of genetic outliers compared to other Somalis. I would group them under minorities like Reer Xamar, Barawaani, Cadcads, Bantus etc.
I did not argue that Hap J Warsangelis are an example of Arab lineage in Somalis. Was just answering BestPlaya's question in regard to Hashemite ancestry in Somalis. Garaad_LQ's STR test result clusters with Yemenis. This indicates that Garaad_LQ is not necessarily of Hashemite ancestry as he might belong to a haplogroup J subclade that is found among Yemeni Arabs.

BestPlaya

Sorry dude, I just realised that the link I gave you in my last post no longer works. Check the following for his DNA test results; the Anthrogenica thread discusses his DNA in more detail. For the record, if I remember correctly, Garaad_LQ had not claimed Hashemite ancestry.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/so ... e=yresults Kit Number: N93003

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php ... ing-Somali
I will check these links.What do you know about Ashraaf and Shiiqaal Y-DNA results? I think these two clans and the cadcad have haplogroup J .
Cannot help you with Shiiqaal and Ashraf. Check with Awale from Anthromadness. Banadiris, including Barwanis, have all sorts of exotic lineages on top of Haplogroup J from what I have heard. Awale will most likely have access to test results from the above too.

http://anthromadness.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... mixed.html
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X.Playa wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:56 pm
zumaale wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:02 pm
X.Playa wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:49 am

I have told you many times stop this pseudo science of assigning a haplogroup to particular ethnic groups. J is widespread in Ethiopia some 20 million Ethiopians has such marker.

Also stop this T obsession of yours where you have arbitrarily assigned such haplotype to your phantom Dir. There is no such clan called Dir. Its a term used for certain groups that at one time lived in Harar thus the name of Shams Al Diin Al Bakri " abaa- Dir " a corruption of Abu Dir or father of Dir.
Don't come at me with unsubstantiated allegations just cause DNA does not support your Aladdin Fairy Tale, I ain't got time for your Bullshit and Arab Daddy Issues.

Man the eff up, do the test and put your money where your mouth is. Now jog on!
Its you who uses DNA to discredit Isaaq tradition while at the same trying to use the same DNA to support a Dir mythology. You can't have it both ways.

There is no such thing called Hashimite DNA nor there is a Levite Jewish one. Yet you repeatedly assign haplogroups to different ethnic groups arbitrarily.

There is no such tribe called. Dir the term itself in Somali means people. For instance a nomad horse lover may inquire " faraskii ma dirkii Ciid baa yo geenyadii heblaayo"

Again whether you like it or not there is no such clan called Dir.

No body is asking you the existence of Dir , adiga marna faadumo rasuul isku dhejinaya marna aabaheed nebi Maxamed caydiisa lagaaga taag la,ayahay. Adeer anagaa Dir ah oo iska leh ayda iyo duurka geeska Africa. Adiga af Muslim iyo mid direed miduun halaguugu yimaado.
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theyuusuf143 wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:05 pm
X.Playa wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:56 pm
zumaale wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:02 pm

Don't come at me with unsubstantiated allegations just cause DNA does not support your Aladdin Fairy Tale, I ain't got time for your Bullshit and Arab Daddy Issues.

Man the eff up, do the test and put your money where your mouth is. Now jog on!
Its you who uses DNA to discredit Isaaq tradition while at the same trying to use the same DNA to support a Dir mythology. You can't have it both ways.

There is no such thing called Hashimite DNA nor there is a Levite Jewish one. Yet you repeatedly assign haplogroups to different ethnic groups arbitrarily.

There is no such tribe called. Dir the term itself in Somali means people. For instance a nomad horse lover may inquire " faraskii ma dirkii Ciid baa yo geenyadii heblaayo"

Again whether you like it or not there is no such clan called Dir.

No body is asking you the existence of Dir , adiga marna faadumo rasuul isku dhejinaya marna aabaheed nebi Maxamed caydiisa lagaaga taag la,ayahay. Adeer anagaa Dir ah oo iska leh ayda iyo duurka geeska Africa. Adiga af Muslim iyo mid direed miduun halaguugu yimaado.
Wiilkaagan khamri baradka adeer haduu hooyadaa mid Dir sheegtaa rimiyay dee Dir nimadu aday kugu eegtay.

Isaaq 700 o sanadood iyo dheeraad buu jiray waxanu awow ka awow ka soo gaadhnay Sheekh Isxaaq Ibnu Axmed inaanu ku abtirsano taas na inan yaro siyaasi iyo tuug Xamar jago dawarsanaya ma badali karo nasabkayga.

Hadaad adigu aabo cusub yeelatay Dir la yidhaahdo hooyadaa ayuun baad cayday ee aniga waxba iimaad yeelin.
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Unde 4.5 which Somalis of all groups took part in Isaaqs are classified as Dir. As an advisor For as long as Somalia is a clan freefall then Isaaqs should take that and be extremely happy. Lets put the symantics aside and be honest Isaaaq can never dream of going tit for tat against Hawiye, Dir, Darood etc for leadership representation, influence etc embracing the Dir Umbrella before it gets taken away is the best hope
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Says a boon marehan of all people :lol:

Your entire godforsaken region has a single high school. Do not worry about Duriyada. Worry about your own origins, to this day we have no explanation for the name of the leader of bon marehan being Xiraabu Goita Teodorous, clearly neither Muslim nor Somali.

An irrelevant minor people, you are dominated by Hawiye just like your qurjiile cousins are dominated by Duriyada.
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zumaale wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:52 pm
X.Playa wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:56 pm
zumaale wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:02 pm

Don't come at me with unsubstantiated allegations just cause DNA does not support your Aladdin Fairy Tale, I ain't got time for your Bullshit and Arab Daddy Issues.

Man the eff up, do the test and put your money where your mouth is. Now jog on!
Its you who uses DNA to discredit Isaaq tradition while at the same trying to use the same DNA to support a Dir mythology. You can't have it both ways.

There is no such thing called Hashimite DNA nor there is a Levite Jewish one. Yet you repeatedly assign haplogroups to different ethnic groups arbitrarily.

There is no such tribe called. Dir the term itself in Somali means people. For instance a nomad horse lover may inquire " faraskii ma dirkii Ciid baa yo geenyadii heblaayo"

Again whether you like it or not there is no such clan called Dir.
Everytime DNA is discussed and I am present, you Calaacal like a menstruating bitch. I don't suffer fools gladly, you are ignorant when it comes to the basics of genetic genealogy yet you accuse me of assigning haplogroups to different ethnic groups. Nigga, there are peer reviewed papers which have been previously posted on Somalinet that comment on the haplogroup affiliation of Somalis and other ethnic groups.

In this thread, I did not bring up DNA but you were quick to Calaacal about 'Zumaale' like you often do. Nor have I argued that haplogroup T is the preserve of the Dir clan. All I stated is that it appears to be commonly found among Northern Dir subclans as evinced by the Djiboutian and Ethiopian papers, and private test results. Nor am I the only one that has made such a claim online, but I don't see you moaning like a bitch about them too. As a matter of fact, in this thread and the Isaaq Historians Thread, I have argued that a representative sample of all Somali subclans should be obtained before any firm conclusions can be made.

As for 'Dir' not referring to a clan, I will not even dignify that with a response.

If you got issues with the fact that Isaaq clan members who have taken the test are no different than other Somalis who have done the test, and are also not descendants of an 85 year old Iraqi Sheikh :ducktales:, take it up with science. Heck, most of your fellow clan members on Snet don't believe in that crap, why don't you Calaacal at them and hop off my di.ck. :pacspit:

Lastly, if you ain't got the guts to take a test, then the shut the fuck up whenever DNA discussions come up cos its obvious you ain't got the Balls to test your Fairy Tale beliefs.
Let me begin with teaching you the very term you used repeatedly " Calaacal " your very post is a typical definition of Calaacal with half of a dozen cursing and slurs. You are the one who constantly wail every time I stick half my foot up your arse and debunk your use of DNA.

The science of DNA can be scientifically used to do few things one been if you are of certain geographical background and also how are you related or unrelated to some samples. Finally it can include you or eliminate you from certain ancestry result if such result from your ancestors is available.

Now enters the Dir obsessed buffoon Zumaale without absolutely no evidence for years in this very forum he argued that Isaaq didn't descend from Sheekh Isxaaq, the first logical question is how can he make such sweeping conclusion when no one on earth knows the DNA background of Sheekh Isxaaq the original necessary sample. ?

Then he goes into so called " banu hashim " haplogroup a thing he pulled out of his ass since the person called Hashim himself DNA is not known, so he arbitrarily assigns J or J1 or J2 to the Arabs and thus concludes such and such Somalis are not descendant of Sheekh Isxaaq or Abaadir ( assigning his convenient haplotype to the last the j or jJ1or j2) while completely ignoring the diverse haplotyes of modern Arabs you can literally find R , J , T and E and its subclads in all modern Arabs but in his obsession to debunk Sheekh Isxaaq and claim a Dir ancestoy for them he has developed a tunnel vision.
Nor have I argued that haplogroup T is the preserve of the Dir clan. All I stated is that it appears to be commonly found among Northern Dir subclans as evinced by the Djiboutian and Ethiopian papers, and private test results
That statement alone proves my assertion, first he assumes there existed a man called Dir, while at the sometimes arguing there was no Sheekh Isxaaq. Then he makes the false assumptions that Ciise and Gedabursi are Dir a concept that has no historical base then he goes on and argue since Ciise and Gedabursi are Dir Haplogroup T must be a Dir marker. And he has been promoting thus filth like a Jehova witness. For years.

If you got issues with the fact that Isaaq clan members who have taken the test are no different than other Somalis who have done the test, and are also not descendants of an 85 year old Iraqi Sheikh
Every clan , ethnic groups and nation has different haplotype. For example the Jews claim an ancestry from Abraham yet the modern Jews has E , T , J1 and J2 haplotype, the same with the Arabs and their claim of been descendant of Cadnaan and Qaxdaan hence these two patriarch creating the Arabs yet they have a diverse haplotypes. And this is not an anomaly its universal. So why one is surprised with Isaaq having a diverse haplotyes? Is there a unique law that only applies to Isaaq as this Dir Ibnu Bantu constantly and persistently showcase? No there isn't but his agenda is strictly against Isaaq. A clan is formed through core ancestry then over the centuries either they get assimilated or they assimilate others into their clan, that's the universal sociological evolution of all tribes, clans and ethnic groups on earth. But that doesn't negate the existence of original core descendants, nor does it eliminate the veracity of the existence of their patriarch.
Heck, most of your fellow clan members on Snet don't believe in that crap, why don't you Calaaca
Again a desperate generalization. I know not of 20 Isaaq who deny or questions of their ancestry. But you are desperate.

Finally again there was never a clan known as Dir., I know this bothers you deeply but reality is reality. Dir is as old as the colonial powers, few colonial anthropologists turned a minor myth and fairy tale into an actual clan .
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X.Playa wrote:
zumaale wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:52 pm
X.Playa wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:56 pm Its you who uses DNA to discredit Isaaq tradition while at the same trying to use the same DNA to support a Dir mythology. You can't have it both ways.

There is no such thing called Hashimite DNA nor there is a Levite Jewish one. Yet you repeatedly assign haplogroups to different ethnic groups arbitrarily.

There is no such tribe called. Dir the term itself in Somali means people. For instance a nomad horse lover may inquire " faraskii ma dirkii Ciid baa yo geenyadii heblaayo"

Again whether you like it or not there is no such clan called Dir.
Everytime DNA is discussed and I am present, you Calaacal like a menstruating bitch. I don't suffer fools gladly, you are ignorant when it comes to the basics of genetic genealogy yet you accuse me of assigning haplogroups to different ethnic groups. Nigga, there are peer reviewed papers which have been previously posted on Somalinet that comment on the haplogroup affiliation of Somalis and other ethnic groups.

In this thread, I did not bring up DNA but you were quick to Calaacal about 'Zumaale' like you often do. Nor have I argued that haplogroup T is the preserve of the Dir clan. All I stated is that it appears to be commonly found among Northern Dir subclans as evinced by the Djiboutian and Ethiopian papers, and private test results. Nor am I the only one that has made such a claim online, but I don't see you moaning like a bitch about them too. As a matter of fact, in this thread and the Isaaq Historians Thread, I have argued that a representative sample of all Somali subclans should be obtained before any firm conclusions can be made.

As for 'Dir' not referring to a clan, I will not even dignify that with a response.

If you got issues with the fact that Isaaq clan members who have taken the test are no different than other Somalis who have done the test, and are also not descendants of an 85 year old Iraqi Sheikh :ducktales:, take it up with science. Heck, most of your fellow clan members on Snet don't believe in that crap, why don't you Calaacal at them and hop off my di.ck. :pacspit:

Lastly, if you ain't got the guts to take a test, then the shut the fuck up whenever DNA discussions come up cos its obvious you ain't got the Balls to test your Fairy Tale beliefs.
Let me begin with teaching you the very term you used repeatedly " Calaacal " your very post is a typical definition of Calaacal with half of a dozen cursing and slurs. You are the one who constantly wail every time I stick half my foot up your arse and debunk your use of DNA.

The science of DNA can be scientifically used to do few things one been if you are of certain geographical background and also how are you related or unrelated to some samples. Finally it can include you or eliminate you from certain ancestry result if such result from your ancestors is available.

Now enters the Dir obsessed buffoon Zumaale without absolutely no evidence for years in this very forum he argued that Isaaq didn't descend from Sheekh Isxaaq, the first logical question is how can he make such sweeping conclusion when no one on earth knows the DNA background of Sheekh Isxaaq the original necessary sample. ?

Then he goes into so called " banu hashim " haplogroup a thing he pulled out of his ass since the person called Hashim himself DNA is not known, so he arbitrarily assigns J or J1 or J2 to the Arabs and thus concludes such and such Somalis are not descendant of Sheekh Isxaaq or Abaadir ( assigning his convenient haplotype to the last the j or jJ1or j2) while completely ignoring the diverse haplotyes of modern Arabs you can literally find R , J , T and E and its subclads in all modern Arabs but in his obsession to debunk Sheekh Isxaaq and claim a Dir ancestoy for them he has developed a tunnel vision.
Nor have I argued that haplogroup T is the preserve of the Dir clan. All I stated is that it appears to be commonly found among Northern Dir subclans as evinced by the Djiboutian and Ethiopian papers, and private test results
That statement alone proves my assertion, first he assumes there existed a man called Dir, while at the sometimes arguing there was no Sheekh Isxaaq. Then he makes the false assumptions that Ciise and Gedabursi are Dir a concept that has no historical base then he goes on and argue since Ciise and Gedabursi are Dir Haplogroup T must be a Dir marker. And he has been promoting thus filth like a Jehova witness. For years.

If you got issues with the fact that Isaaq clan members who have taken the test are no different than other Somalis who have done the test, and are also not descendants of an 85 year old Iraqi Sheikh
Every clan , ethnic groups and nation has different haplotype. For example the Jews claim an ancestry from Abraham yet the modern Jews has E , T , J1 and J2 haplotype, the same with the Arabs and their claim of been descendant of Cadnaan and Qaxdaan hence these two patriarch creating the Arabs yet they have a diverse haplotypes. And this is not an anomaly its universal. So why one is surprised with Isaaq having a diverse haplotyes? Is there a unique law that only applies to Isaaq as this Dir Ibnu Bantu constantly and persistently showcase? No there isn't but his agenda is strictly against Isaaq. A clan is formed through core ancestry then over the centuries either they get assimilated or they assimilate others into their clan, that's the universal sociological evolution of all tribes, clans and ethnic groups on earth. But that doesn't negate the existence of original core descendants, nor does it eliminate the veracity of the existence of their patriarch.
Heck, most of your fellow clan members on Snet don't believe in that crap, why don't you Calaaca
Again a desperate generalization. I know not of 20 Isaaq who deny or questions of their ancestry. But you are desperate.

Finally again there was never a clan known as Dir., I know this bothers you deeply but reality is reality. Dir is as old as the colonial powers, few colonial anthropologists turned a minor myth and fairy tale into an actual clan .
X.playa

Save me the essay. This is not going to turn out to be another Groundhogday FKD thread like the others that have come before. We have done this in the following thread that you abandoned with your tail between your legs.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 8&t=370612

I ask you again, are you willing to take a test to prove that you are a true descendant of an Iraqi 85-95 year old Sheikh, and not one of the Sheegaad Isaaq E-V32 or T-M184 followers of thy Blessed Bani Hashim Holy Ancestor?

Listen, if times are tough, I am willing to set up a Gofundme page to raise the necessary funds for you to do a DNA test.

Look forward to your reply.

Yours,

Zumaale Bin Dirawi Al Soomali.
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