Axmed Guray - What do you know about him?

[Adali]

adali, ramzy2277 is stupid dont etertain him

he thinks abdiaziz ali barre middel name is lincoln , something i have invented on this website few days ago, because gener lincoln is the father of iidoor emancipation:lol:

isaaq dont have any liniages that can trace any of those historical figures to current isaaq clan

we gave everybody sheik abadir, emir nuur ahmed gurey garaad hirabu abtirisi and we gave the names of sub clans that decent from them, yet isaaq dont even what habar magadle these figures belong to.

habar magadle is like saying bah ogadeen, bah ogaden can be from any clan, also, other dir clans lived in the north west just like cisse and guudibirsi, akishe.
biyomaal has habar magaadle clan so do alot of daarood clan in galbeed, like gerri and jidwaaq.

the burden of proof is upon the iidoor to show how those figures are linked to current habar magadle clans.
they always use geographic proximity and the similarity of names as definitive indication that habar magaadle must be isaaq.

isaaq is not mentioned nor is any habar magadle clan mentioned.
habar xabusheed is not mentioned.

infact my opinion is that habar magaadle most be other dir clan like the biyomaal, infact biyomaal is warelike clan and have history of conquest like the marexaan, we always have moved similarly.
when we conquered juba valley biyomaal conquered the coast because historically they were coastal people like cisse.

we should do more research on habar magadle biyomaal connection because that clan has fascinating imperial history

They are entertaining to say the least.
They need to answer these two questions.

1.The question still stands, what subclan did Ahmed Gurey belong to ?
2. What is the lineage of the chief branch of Habar Magaadle

for example the current chief branch for Mareexaan have remained the same for centuries. it goes all the way up to the time of Adal.

Ugaas Sharmaarke*I start here from Rer Ugaas Sharmaake for simplicity and not from the present Ugaas of Mareexan
Ugaas Diini
Ugaas Faarah
Ugaas Guleed
Ugaas Sharmaarke
Qalaf
Huseen
Yuusuf
Mataan
Iise
Ahmed
Boqor Mahamed
Da'uud
Abadir

The golden names is estimated time of Adal, it is the period in which Garaad Hiraabu and his son Garaad Ahmed, Amiir Nuur and Imam Ahmed Gurey lived, but this is not their lineage, it is the lineage of the main branch of Marehan, and you can see Ugaas line goes to the Adal period. I am studying the lineages of Rer Garaad, Cali Maxamed(Cali Dheere) and Rer Ina Nuur as well so I can provide their lineages.

Let us see you provide such a lineage.

The Isaac chief lineage starts around the time of Ugaas Diini's life, infact the Isaac oldest chief lineage starts around the time Marehan moved to the south, 1700s.

[Typhoon]

adali, have you ever heard, dumarka marexaan ku faana, "emiraada iis mataan, ugaasyadi reer diini, boqortoyadi maxamed daud"
because a iss mataan produced allot of emirs.
iis mataan is properly second to abadir in the importance marexaan linage
emrirade marexaan used to come from all marexaan branches in a rotating manner but iis mataan for some reason produced alot, he is the ugaas diini of that time, very consequential in somali history.
ugaas diini is basically one of the most important figure in last 300 years in somalia, because he gave modern marexaan leadership from president prime minister to adali and is his only german son, Herr Eaglehawk

now, remember abadir muuse went to hajj, his brother took over and harar was decimated, well the guy that held the throne for abadir is none other then maamasame warwajecel (ismaciil cumar geele is mamasaame)

[Adali]

adali, have you ever heard, dumarka marexaan ku faana, "emiraada iis mataan, ugaasyadi reer diini, boqortoyadi maxamed daud"
because a iss mataan produced allot of emirs.
iis mataan is properly second to abadir in the importance marexaan linage
emrirade marexaan used to come from all marexaan branches in a rotating manner but iis mataan for some reason produced alot, he is the ugaas diini of that time, very consequential in somali history.
ugaas diini is basically one of the most important figure in last 300 years in somalia, because he gave modern marexaan leadership from president prime minister to adali and is his only german son, Herr Eaglehawk

now, remember abadir muuse went to hajj, his brother took over and harar was decimated, well the guy that held the throne for abadir is none other then maamasame warwajecel (ismaciil cumar geele is mamasaame)

My interest in history is mainly the Adal kingdom and the Ifat Kingdom and just generally the Walaashama Dynasty, and how it relates to the Marehan genealogy which is the longest among Somalis. We can seperate it in these chunks
We have Modern Somalis today
Colonization period which I would include in modern Somalis.
then
Ugaas Sharmaarke
Ugaas Diini
Ugaas Faarah
Ugaas Guleed
Ugaas Sharmaarke........... Early modern Somalis time of constant war, Somali identity well established.
Qalaf
Huseen
Yuusuf
Mataan
Iise............Middle ages Somalis, time of Adal resurgence, Somali clans mentioned for the first time.
Ahmed
Boqor Mahamed
Da'uud
Abadir
Muuse........... Middle ages Somalis time of Ifat/Adal, Somali identity well established, but clans still not fully mentioned.
Mahamed
Warwaajele
Raadimiir
Amaanreer
Isaaq
Galshiredle...................Early Somalis time of Walaashama/Ifat, Somali identity much more prominent here.
Hodenbari
Baalyiri
Awsame
Mahamed "Mareehaan"
Ahmed "Sade"....First recorded Somalis, introduction of Somali identity to Written books, Walaashama dynasty existed but with Arab genealogy.

[Typhoon]

the other branches of marexaan used to be more important then radamiir amanreer in mideviel times.

radamiir only become prominent after boqor maxamed daud.
most of us snet members have biases since most of us are khalaf hussein especially reer diini so we tend the focus alot on radamiir

reer diini waxaan nahay macmacaan jecel, anaka bay wax kasta nugu qurux badanyahin

old marexaan have fascinating history, they did not become small for a reason its because the constant war that they engaged and most of them are reer ethiopia.

adali, marexaan oral history is even more fascinating

[ramzy2277]

boon,

why in the world would anyone be interested in subclans of boon.

40 pages so far and none of the dofar crew here proved any of their claims.

u cant even read arabic let alone bringing authentic sources from the original book of futux al xabash where ur real linage was exposed to the public.

sons of xirabu ben guibta ben theodoros ben adam.

why u evading this core topid and try to daze us with ur gebrish subclans that no one ever heard of except ur naaso dheer islammo.

it seems their tities were full of lies and fabrication,typical of boon.

u cant prove any blood relationship with imam ahmed al gazi let alone sheekh abadir.

go cover ur basics first then dare to challenge me on the history of futux al xabasha ya low caste boon.

who u trying to kid here when u say the boon have expanded in the south by wars..loool

the only wars u made were hundting dofars with ur bows.

most of ur boons were subjects to english and majerteen.

the remaining sporadic nomads were kissing the feet of the italians for protection.

this is the words of ur leader descriping the low status of the boons and pledging to be under the protection of the fascist italians..how befitting.



how dare u look into the eyes of any noble somali with such shameful history.

[BestPlaya]

Ramzy and co. didn't prove anything in this thread besides a meaningless diatribe .Are you claiming Habar Maqdi or Imam Al-Ghazi ? Then provide answer to these million dollar questions

Who was Ahmed Gurey ? His sub clan and lineage?

Who was Garaad dhaweyd of Habar maqdi?



To the deluded marehans ,what's goita bin Adam ? That's not even Somali .what's the connection between ina nuur clan and nuur ibn mujaahid?


Imam Axmad wuxuu ahaa Balaw ,Karanle Hawiye

Axmad Gurey Xuseen wuxuu ahaa Yabaree ,Jidwaaq

Garaad Dhaawit wuxuu ka dhashay beesha Bartire

Samaroon was only 3 generation old during Adal according to gadaburis own calculations.

[Adali]

You say you do not care about sub clan and lineage, well its important to this discussion you idiot.

[Khalid Ali]

Axmed guray xuseen is the habar magaadle chief..
Ahmed iebrahim al ghazi I wouldn't suprise he was isaaq I think habar habusheed. Issaaq is the only clan who has strong ties in both zeila and harar. Ahmed ibrhien al ghazi this man carries an Arab name for sure. Somalis from all sort of clans claim him. I think the man lived the closest among the isaaq. Isaaq have pure Arab names in their lineages. By the dhaawit doesn't sound somali sounds like dawit. The Abyssinian had an emperor called dawit one and dawit 2. And amdetsion around the we century I think. Emperor yeshaq of Solomon kingdom described somali in a poem in the 13 century. Emperor yeshaq was pure amhara gondere admixture. The eritreans claim him 2.. so far the darood claim the adal empire based on 2 guys dawit bartire and goita ibn theodorures marehan.both have unislamic and have Abyssinian Christian church names

[ramzy2277]

and you got senstive when we call you doqonki ogaden.

i am sure we made it clear in the early pages the difference between imam ahmed ben ibrahim al gazi( gurey) and ahmed gurey the tribal leader of habar magaadle.

i am sure i stated my opinion on which ethnicity the imam ahmed al gazi belong to, he belong to melsai , i remember quoting from the original book where the imam divided his army based on ethnicity becuz somali clans used to fight with harla , so the imam put his habar wadag on top of harla this means the imam mother was from harla ) and the imam himself was leading the melsai ethnicty,

the author was always praising the melsai , he praised their leaders , amir mujahid, absame nur, garad shamcuun , garad burhaan , balaw cabdo , caloosh ben hegaan, khalid alwarrado......all these mujahids were from melsai and all of them were in the core of the army led by the imam himself.

habar magaad/maagdi/ magaadle geopgraphical location mentioned in the book is the same as where isaaq lives, at the begingin when the imam was recuiting soldiers, habar magaad were not in full heart for the imam call and they used to raid the gerri who were more into the imam ahmed wars , then the imam marched to the coast to discipline habar magaad.

am I the only one who is quoting from the original book, cant u support ur claims with reliable sources other than shekada islaamaha

also what is this obssession with linages, appearantly this is a somali trait to change abtirisin to claim other people's achievements

we just saw a similar behavoir from a boon langabe who sticked the american president name into one of their defeated faqash leader ,lincoln something.

besides, i did answer ur questions many times about the abtiris of those names u mentioned, and i remember i did ask u similar question about ur claim that gerri is gerri from ogaden, and asked u to show the abtiris of their leader matan ben othman ben khalid and u disappeared ever since.

back to basics,.

the whole thread is about the imam ahmed al gazi,aka ahmed gurey

isaaq members here never claimed the imam

ilko yar claimed the imam and even more his successor and we proved to them they are delusional.

[Typhoon]

ramzy2277
this topic has been done for years, go make up some new fact, just like you guys make up new gabays after the fact.

what do want us to respond to, some gibirish and non academic sources.

isaaq dont have great historical man, ama wadaad ama waranle.

dont blame us blame your people, in 50 years your children will be ashmed of the guys who lead you now.
even during the civil wars you could not produce great man just like you never produced a somali head of state, because history repeats itself.

if i was isaaq i would rewrite history two because may shiir la iimaan.
isaaq is always in a darood book, we are the in group and they are the out group.

i feel sorry for isaaq children they have no historical role models they are like african americans whos idols are entertainers and athletes just like isaaqs are ahmed mooge and sahra ahmed

[Adali]

Axmed guray xuseen is the habar magaadle chief..
Ahmed iebrahim al ghazi I wouldn't suprise he was isaaq I think habar habusheed. Issaaq is the only clan who has strong ties in both zeila and harar. Ahmed ibrhien al ghazi this man carries an Arab name for sure. Somalis from all sort of clans claim him. I think the man lived the closest among the isaaq. Isaaq have pure Arab names in their lineages. By the dhaawit doesn't sound somali sounds like dawit. The Abyssinian had an emperor called dawit one and dawit 2. And amdetsion around the we century I think. Emperor yeshaq of Solomon kingdom described somali in a poem in the 13 century. Emperor yeshaq was pure amhara gondere admixture. The eritreans claim him 2.. so far the darood claim the adal empire based on 2 guys dawit bartire and goita ibn theodorures marehan.both have unislamic and have Abyssinian Christian church names

khalid is tryna say the holy jihad by Imam Ahmed gurey was some maryoalol gathering, he is beyond funny walahi, haduu waxaa caynkas la soo shir tago people will laugh in his face.

[Khalid Ali]

Isaaaq doesn't suffer from inferiority complex darood will say with a straight face dhaghdeer araweelo iyo cigaal shidaad are all darod. You will never see hawiye isaaq dir digil mirirfle make such ridiculous claims. So far goita is darood or amhara We know dawit is bartiree dawit is equievelant for daud or David.. we know you lied about sayid siigeyste and much of the dervish history darood are by nature liars. Ayuhal kathab. Ramzy Is quoting from fatuh al habasha you can read it in Arabic rhe Ethiopians have translated in amharic. In 100 year times they will claim Ahmed godane and Ibrahim afghani. Daroodkani wa dad been iyo.khiyaali iska dhaadhicya iyo niyad dhis. Isaaq dont need to claim a jihadist who slaughters habashas in the 15 century don't to boost our self esteem. We don't suffer from low Self esteem sida daroodka ..adal had hararis Somalis afars argobas adal is actually an Afari name. History speaks for its self isaaq produced great man in both politics military philosophy through out the history. Taarikdhu wey qorantahay kama ziineysano taaarikdha. Isaaq and darood have 2 distinct cultures and traditions and behaviorism.

[Adali]

i am sure i stated my opinion on which ethnicity the imam ahmed al gazi belong to, he belong to melsai , i remember quoting from the original book where the imam divided his army based on ethnicity becuz somali clans used to fight with harla , so the imam put his habar wadag on top of harla this means the imam mother was from harla ) and the imam himself was leading the melsai ethnicty,

the author was always praising the melsai , he praised their leaders , amir mujahid, absame nur, garad shamcuun , garad burhaan , balaw cabdo , caloosh ben hegaan, khalid alwarrado......all these mujahids were from melsai and all of them were in the core of the army led by the imam himself.

habar magaad/maagdi/ magaadle geopgraphical location mentioned in the book is the same as where isaaq lives, at the begingin when the imam was recuiting soldiers, habar magaad were not in full heart for the imam call and they used to raid the gerri who were more into the imam ahmed wars , then the imam marched to the coast to discipline habar magaad.

am I the only one who is quoting from the original book, cant u support ur claims with reliable sources other than shekada islaamaha

also what is this obssession with linages, appearantly this is a somali trait to change abtirisin to claim other people's achievements

we just saw a similar behavoir from a boon langabe who sticked the american president name into one of their defeated faqash leader ,lincoln something.

besides, i did answer ur questions many times about the abtiris of those names u mentioned, and i remember i did ask u similar question about ur claim that gerri is gerri from ogaden, and asked u to show the abtiris of their leader matan ben othman ben khalid and u disappeared ever since.

back to basics,.

the whole thread is about the imam ahmed al gazi,aka ahmed gurey

isaaq members here never claimed the imam

ilko yar claimed the imam and even more his successor and we proved to them they are delusional.

To be fair you are the only iidoor with common sense when it come to debating Adal. Thank you for clearing it up, you claim Ahmed Hussein Gurey, not the Imam, you believe the Imam was not Somali ?

[ramzy2277]

ramzy2277
this topic has been done for years, go make up some new fact, just like you guys make up new gabays after the fact.

what do want us to respond to, some gibirish and non academic sources.

isaaq dont have great historical man, ama wadaad ama waranle.

dont blame us blame your people, in 50 years your children will be ashmed of the guys who lead you now.
even during the civil wars you could not produce great man just like you never produced a somali head of state, because history repeats itself.

if i was isaaq i would rewrite history two because may shiir la iimaan.
isaaq is always in a darood book, we are the in group and they are the out group.

i feel sorry for isaaq children they have no historical role models they are like african americans whos idols are entertainers and athletes just like isaaqs are ahmed mooge and sahra ahmed

if you don't know anything just say I don't have a clue, instead of generic vague statements like ,it was discussed earlier or its a fact.

for sure no one have provided the original manuscript of fututx al xabasha ,all your sources are the naaaso dheer islaaamo of ilka yar or biased historian who were influenced by the faqash propaganda to inject dofar lies.

instead of this silly argument back and forth, bring a reliable academic source to pack your hilarious claims.

shekh abadir, imam ahmed gurey al gazali,amir nur mujahid, walasama ...etc.

you are a pure definition of shegato yaa awlaad xirabu ben guibta ben theodoros ben adam.

I don't know why u think its shamefull to say u originally not somali and got assimilated into the dofar confederation to protect urself. caadi iska dheg dofaaryahow.

[ramzy2277]

i am sure i stated my opinion on which ethnicity the imam ahmed al gazi belong to, he belong to melsai , i remember quoting from the original book where the imam divided his army based on ethnicity becuz somali clans used to fight with harla , so the imam put his habar wadag on top of harla this means the imam mother was from harla ) and the imam himself was leading the melsai ethnicty,

the author was always praising the melsai , he praised their leaders , amir mujahid, absame nur, garad shamcuun , garad burhaan , balaw cabdo , caloosh ben hegaan, khalid alwarrado......all these mujahids were from melsai and all of them were in the core of the army led by the imam himself.

habar magaad/maagdi/ magaadle geopgraphical location mentioned in the book is the same as where isaaq lives, at the begingin when the imam was recuiting soldiers, habar magaad were not in full heart for the imam call and they used to raid the gerri who were more into the imam ahmed wars , then the imam marched to the coast to discipline habar magaad.

am I the only one who is quoting from the original book, cant u support ur claims with reliable sources other than shekada islaamaha

also what is this obssession with linages, appearantly this is a somali trait to change abtirisin to claim other people's achievements

we just saw a similar behavoir from a boon langabe who sticked the american president name into one of their defeated faqash leader ,lincoln something.

besides, i did answer ur questions many times about the abtiris of those names u mentioned, and i remember i did ask u similar question about ur claim that gerri is gerri from ogaden, and asked u to show the abtiris of their leader matan ben othman ben khalid and u disappeared ever since.

back to basics,.

the whole thread is about the imam ahmed al gazi,aka ahmed gurey

isaaq members here never claimed the imam

ilko yar claimed the imam and even more his successor and we proved to them they are delusional.

To be fair you are the only iidoor with common sense when it come to debating Adal. Thank you for clearing it up, you claim Ahmed Hussein Gurey, not the Imam, you believe the Imam was not Somali ?

al tekraar yecalim al ximaar,

as I said many times, from my readings of the original book of futux al xabasha, its is crystal clear the imam ahmed ben Ibrahim al ghazi leader of adal state is not somali.

he always march to belad al somal , country of somal whenever he want to decipline them, he is always surrounded by no somali leaders ,maybe one guy was always close to him, if I remember that was matan ,he is indeed a great mujahid and married to the imam's sister.

my strongest evidence that he is not somali but he is from an ethnicity called Melsaay or melsaai, is that when somali clans have verbal confrontation with the harla and both camps started defaming the other as the weakest link in the army.

the imam then segregated the army based on ethnicity and put a leader from their perspective ethnicity on each group.

somali clans lead by matan from gerri.

harla clans lead by sultan Mohamed , habarwadag ( iben khalat al imam ) of the imam, hence the imam's mother is from harla.

the imam himself led the melsaay/melsaai, then the author started praising the melsaai and their leaders and started counting them like amir mujahid, absame nur...etc. I listed them in my previous post.

there was no clause or sentence that even can suggest the imam is from somali ethnicity.

is that clear enough yaa walad xirabu ben guibta ben theodoros ben adam.