MAAMUL GOBOLEED CUSUB OO MAR DHAWLAGU DHAWAAQI DOONO? !

[AbdiWahab252]

Xamar = a Federal District like Washington DC.

[King-of-Awdal]

Dr.Galbeyte.

let me ask u this than can in reality a non/ habar gidir person may they be marehaan, mj or isaaq can ever govern galmadug, the reality is no. First of all we dont have a nation and in order for that to happen each family first and formost must clean its house and get it in order and Hamar isnt ur house or mine, so what's wrong with you going back to your home and getting it together and investing in it and than we can all come back together. If you or me go and live in Hamar we are the guest of the true inhabitants of the city and u should accept that. i dont know why some of you guyz fear that soo much


Luq it is the capital city of the nation but that doesnt mean that we all can claim it as our when its not. Ill tell ya this than you need to give up ur precious Kismaayo also since it isnt urs in the first place. some of you guyz really just look after urself, u want ur cities and towns for ur own but u wanna steal other and share their land with them.


Abdiwahab well what if the city owners say you can move the Capital to Galkgacyo than what u gonna say and everyone wants to rule ya in ur own house.

[Luq_Ganane]

A/Wahab, you just won't stop will you?


Awdal,

Dr. Galbeyte is right, Xamar is a Somali city period. You and I have as much of a right as any Muloduud. Muloduud for example, can say we have Jowhar or Afgoi or some shid, but the capitol is the capitol and will be the seat of the Government when we get one.

[AbdiWahab252]

King Of Awdal,

Xamar as a city is settled by all qabils. its the capital city and deserves federal status.

If the hosts want to make it a qabiil city, then a new capital city should be built in a neutral city.

I am sure plenty of tuulos would relish the idea.

Luq,

Stop ? Never until u start stop using the word Hawiye loosely.

[Dr.Galbeyte.]

King.. we are talking about not only my birth place..but we i was raised.

My family Owns Combined 7 Houses in the city... was some of them we owned since the early 80s.
For your information its My home.. just like its Any other person oo ah reer muqdishu.

Galmudug cidii dagi jirtay iyo waxii dagan Maamulka wax wey kuleyahiin.
why do you keep bringing it up.. several clans who live in Galmudug other then Sacad have their right and their share of the State authority.
Think of Xamar as Washington DC. like AW said.

[King-of-Awdal]

Luq_Ganane : Bro i dont see thats fair than because they have to share their biggest City and we dont. Thats some bullshit, and me and you agreed once that every clan needs to go back to their homes right so why you changing ur mind.


Abdiwahab: than that will have to be the case since all Mudlood say that the city is ours and we can only rule. so now lets find another City and Raxyweyns cities are off the tabel.


Dr.Galbeyte.: First of all dont call me Qaldaan since i didnt call ya a deregtory term such as Hutu. Again my father was born in Djbouti and so did my mother so do u honestly think that they are owners. You must accept reality if you dont wanna share ur half of the pie why should the other.

[Somaliweyn]

First of all, there is no such thing called as Federal Somalia.

Somalia is like it was all those years, since it was created as a nation-state: the sum of Somali groups and their lands.

1991, this Somali state collapsed and every group went back to their regions.

Without doubt, a new Somali republic shall arise, but in the meantime it is imperative for Somali groups to try to coexist peacefully with each other, while every group takes care of the establishment of local institutions in their regions.

Mudulood occupies a very important place in this already complicated situation: The capital city happens to be in Benadir.

This together with the historical role played by Mudulood in the establishment of the first Somali Republic, only means one thing: Mudulood must be on the first line again when the Second Somali Republic is created.


And this is where Mogadishu comes into play. Mudulood needs to understand the responsibility which rests on their shoulders. The fact that Somalia is witnessing 16 years of problems is mainly because Mudulood has not grasp the obvious fact that they can make change, beginning with Mogadishu.


Mudulood should not only stop at Mogadishu, but look farther down...the occupation of Lower Shabelle needs to be put to an end.



Political leadership does not mean only that clan which has occupies the leadership role has the right to live in their. This is where the confusion comes into play.

[Dr.Galbeyte.]

Somaliweyn.. my point.. is the banaaadir financial market is the strongest in somalia.. and thats has very litle to do with Mudulood .. so to say advatage should rest in the hands of Mudulood i see as wrong.

When i home to xamar .. i epect to be governed directed by the SOmalia goverment. and its police..

Not local Mudulood millitia! dress in police uniform... E.g M.dheer millitia in xamar now!

So you can claim what you like.. but The only soloution of Somalia's governing problem is federalizasion and that meaning Xamar as a Govermental State.

I expect a strong influence but not a direct clan based control of Xamar from Mudulood.

[Luq_Ganane]

Xamar is a Somali city period. Mudloduud can keep Jowhar or whatever other towns in the region they like, but Mogadishu is a FEDERAL city no matter what. I don't know if I could be any clearer than that.

[King-of-Awdal]

Luq_Ganane LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Damn some body is pissed Listen your not being fair though, why would they have to share what's their and you get to keep yours excsulisively, thats like saying their inferior to u. What if they say we dont want the Capital to be in our home and the somali nation can move it some where else and it comes to Lugane or Cabdwaq am not sure of the spelling.

[Dr.Galbeyte.]

Awdal boy thinks Mudulood has Mugadishu?

Warr they probably have more densly populated cities then any other subclan in SOmalia..

Mogadishu is not their slice of any cake..

its like saying the clans surrounding hargeysa who might claim hargeysa should control it as a clan.. thats leaving SL goverment baseless!

I call you qaldaan not over your clan but over the consistancy of your flawed assesments of Mogadishu!

hutu is not deregatory ...as its a tribe in rwanda.. its kinda cornish calling a somali person that.

[Somaliweyn]

Federal system and the Federal-clannism are two different things.


Somalia should not continue on the path of Federal-Clannism. Yes to every group controlling and leading their regions in this transitionary period...No to Federal_Clannism from taking deep roots.


About Mogadishu,

Nobody disagrees with the fact that Mogadishu is the capital of Somalia, and that to this day its the most diverse city in Somalia.

Also, no sane Mudulood would want to turn this only metropolitan-city in Somalia into a clan-village.

But, the fact that Mogadishu has stayed fragmented is because the only real powerbroker in the city hasn't realized its role and responsibilities.

As soon as Mudulood people realize their position within Hawiye and Somalia in general, the sooner Mogadishu can become stable again.


The business interests of Mogadishu must be defended no matter the cost...only idiots who want to turn the city into a clan-village would want to destroy Mogadishu economy.



But first thing first: Mudulood must take the lionshare in this struggle against the Ethiopian occupation.....because the centre of gravity in this Ethiopian occupation of Somalia is in Benadir

This is the big test for Mudulood.....if we fail, then we have no right whatsover to lead Benadir. Benadir must then be lead by other patriotic groups.

Judging from current trends and the patriotic tradition of Mudulood I am confident that we along with all other Somali patriotic groups will break the back of the occupation.

[Luq_Ganane]

LOL,


Awdal, Mogadishu is not Cabudwaq or Luuq sxb. Its not Borame or Lascanood either. Its the capitol city of the entire country. Besides, if you really insist on looking at things from a clan perspective, Mogadishu doesn't even belong to any clan. The first settlers were the Reer Xamar from places like Portugul, Persia, India, Yemen, Oman, etc. It was a trading town. Somalis started moving into the city little by little and that is when the more sophisticated traders in Xamar gave them the name "Laba goodley" because they only had two robes on them for clothing.


Well I'm not going to get in a long drawn out talk about who Xamar belongs to, but to say it belongs to a certain clan is preposterous. When Somalia was a country everybody settled everywhere. However at the end of the day there will always be cities that belong to all Somalis: Xamar, Kismayo and Hargeisa. Ironically the three biggest cities.

[King-of-Awdal]

Dr.Galbeyte

I dont think its cornish calling ya a Hutu and Yes the tribes that surround Hargesia actually control it now. It maybe the capital of somaliland but we still stick to our own states or districts even in Somaliland. I dont know about you but even we the djboutians know that Mogadihsu is a mudlood owned city, and yes it is diverse but if you go back in history before the colonial time or the state of somalia we all know who the inhabitants of the city were, so lets not kid ourselves. Am just try to be Fair here i dont see the logic between making their city shared by all while we dont share ours.



Luq_Ganane


Ahh you finally left ur little shell but i know all cities are for all somalians but what is soo freaking scary or wrong about individuals sticking to their own homes. yes its the capital and all people can live there but we must also accept that they have more rights and claim to the place. As for reer hamar please now you saying that because u dont want them to have the city. Honestly i see it this way somalians dont wanna be fair and unless we are fair and acknowledge to each other what is ours and what we share with others , we are going to be stuck in this same situation. Luq_Ganane how many generation of ur family have been born in Mogadihsu speaking honestly.

[Luq_Ganane]

Awdal,

My Parents left Gedo very young (about 14) to Mogadishu but thats not the point. I think your confusing the region with the city. Ofcourse Muloduud have a presense in the region but that doesn't make the city theres. How is a country supposed to form if the capitol city is in the hands of a clan? What kind of backward country is going to have their citizens be second class citizens in the capitol city of their own country?