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Re: Somaliweyn: Dowladsade has put you on the Spot!

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[quote="Luq_Ganane"]^^

Somaliweyn,

You keep mentioning Gedo being captured, and we tell you over and over again that we kow fully well it was. However that being said, it is a WELL KNOWN fact both in historic chronicles that the number 2 man in the entire USC was killed in the counter attacks, and Caydid was mortally wounded and being treated in Xudur in Bay region for 5 months. Also its a well known fact that Caydid was supported in those attacks with Raxanwein and some Ogadeen elements. I even have some relatives who died from attacks by Raxanwein militias at the forefront of Caydid's army. The defeat in Gedo was a disasterous defeat for USC, and afterwards we made our counterattacks all over Somalia from Kismayo, to Galkacyo both liberated by USC. SNF's front was from the bordes of Kenya to Northern Mudug, so its obvious we would lose some lands at one point. With SNF in control of Mudug, our degaans in Galgudud, having control of Kismayo and influencing events in Hiiraan it was Marexaan SNF who put a wreak screw into Caydids (aun) aspirations of becoming President. Even towards the end of Caydids death, he said that it was a disasterous mistake capturing Gedo seeing how it triggered deadly SNF coutnter attacks starting in Gedo and ending in Galkacyo and Kismayo confining Caydid to the ghettos of Xamar where he later passed.

Contrast this with Muloduud. Laughing Habar Gidir saw Xamar FOR THE FIRST TIME, in the early '90s. Laughing Xamar was always a "Muloduud" city in the sense that all the areas surrounding it are Mudloduud. However to prove how weak you are, HG came from central Somalia and took over your whole city except for TWO districts of Mogadishu, Karan and Medina. It is no wonder Muloduud has had no recourse but to finally use Tigray with the full blessing of your tribal leaders, elders, political and militairy (if you have one) leaders. 100% united in using Tigray to counter your HG cousins. Marexaan have no unfinished business with Habar Gidir and we've moved on. We warred, fought like men, and Pre Tigray invasion we were both happy where we were in Somalia, until the wealkings Muloduud had to call Aaabo Zenawi. Laughing Laughing Laughing[/quote]


Your rants will make for a good bed-time story to numerous Marehan kids one-day! Unfortunatly, the rest of the world prefers to call spade a spade!
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[quote="Gedo_Boy"]No I mean militia support to Hiiraan and taking part in joint operations.

So if the Kenyans made some money selling arms to Gedo inhabitants, so what? There were many Gedo businessman who financed the counter-attack efforts that were based in Kenya.

Did you forget the fact that Caydiid was armed and supplied by Mengistu?[/quote]

Exactly! So why claim that you have some-how rescued the Xawadle? Laughing Laughing
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[quote="Voltage"][quote="Gedo_Boy"][quote="Somaliweyn"]
This Mudulood spirit and unity in the core instead at the surface is what stopped the warmachine of Aideed, while Gedo was crushed under beneath it and occupied for 8 months.[/quote]


Here's Somaliweyn taking another pathetic cheapshot and showing his contempt for Reer Gedo.


Conveniently forget the fact that Caydiid's forces were decimated in Gedo and he was in hiding for months while avoiding capture and in fact it was HIS forces and leaders which were crushed.

During the initial chaos and confusion of the civil war, Caydiid capitalized on internal divisions and entered Gedo without a shot being fired. Your obsession with trying to discredit "Southwestern" legacy is such that you even forget the outcome of the war and the final consequences it had for Caydiid.

- Can Japan brag about crushing US military force in the Pacific for the first part of the war?

- Does Germany still brag about how it pushed the Red Army all the way back to Moscow for the first part of the war?


No, they don't because that is not how things ended. Caydiid lost 75-90% of his fighting force in Gedo and after losing that he lost the initiative and suffered defeat in Kismayo, Galkacyo.....even "Gedo" took part in helping Reer Hiiraan take Beledweyne from Caydiid...........

Gedo was Caydiid's Stalingrad and he regretted that he attacked it even trying to bribe Reer Gedo w/ Prime Minister positions after his eviction........why do you try to politically win over the people you "crushed" w/ Prime Minister positions?

...........So let's not talk about Gedo being crushed under Caydiid b/c it is Gedo that crushed Caydiid............and subsequently they hunted Caydiid all over Mudug, Jubboyinka, Hiiraan and Galgaduud.

P.S - Even though I am avoiding Qabiilist dialogues, there is an area outside of BeledXawo called "Lafa Hawiye" for all the masses of USC fighters that were killed there.[/quote]


And Somaliweyn boasts of reaching "stalemate" with the left-over of Aydiid's forces after their defeat from Gedo to Gaalkacyo. A stalemate in the Mogadishu that was originally Mudulood deegaan and the reason why Mudulood is now the willing donkey on his back this occupation owes gratitude to. Laughing[/quote]

Few History lessons will be good!
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It is really fascinating how these Marehan renegades raphosodize about national good and interest when the fact is that they have single handedly brought a function country with a united people regardless of their clan-affiliations to its knee through sheer disgusting nepotism. The current clan-affiliated homicide and violence is a pure Marehan creation! As MSB faced the pressure from the civil society, especially after the massacre of the people of Hargaisa, combined with his butchery of the Majerteen and HG, he run out of ideas and as he became increasingly insecure about the survival of his regime, he sowed the seeds of hatred and violence by massacring one clan after the other! So I always take it with a pinch of salt when a Marehan turncoat such as Voltage and Luqaane talk about clan issues.

The massacre of the Marehan and the destruction of their lands is essentially a 10 moth pregnant disaster waiting to happen. A quick glance of the facts pretty much throws almost all of the claims made by our in-house Marehan turncoats!

A claim was made that the Marehan were successful in repelling the Aideed assault and that the clan has a rich history of patriotism and national pride! Smile So it is essential to separate facts from fiction and put those claims to an acid test!
In a strict military terms, the mere fact that a clan that has ruled Somalia through nepotism evinced by a disgusting use of the clan card for almost 21 years, combined with the simple truth that they controlled the national military and the whole national resource, to be forced to its knees is highly embarrassing. Some of the Marehan turncoats will make a claim that the clan was fighting at multiple fronts and that inherently it was impossible to win such a war! What these turncoats fail to acknowledge is that such is the nature of Somali warfare that every clan has to negotiate regardless of the timing and place. In addition, the USC offensive only gained momentum only after the apparent loss of the Somaliland theatre of war and that essentially, as the Hawiye clans united and joined the cause, the Darood clans too joined the war and the deployment of tens of thousands of Darood militias to patrol the streets of Mogadishu is a strong prove for that. So, essentially, this mystical claim has no basis in reality and like all fairy-tales it should be thrown out of the window!

Furthermore, it is well-known to every school-boy and Somali adult alike that the Marehan and the rest of their Darood allies were dealt with the most embarrassing defeat in Somali history. The mere fact, that yesterday’s autocrats and bureaucrats who were used to live in mansions and luxury life at the expense of the national treasury, were forced to live refugee camps alongside Sudanese refugees is un-disputable fact that can only mean one thing and that is the complete riddance both militarily and economic of the Darood. It is really trivial if Aideed slept in Gedo for seven or eight months, the mere facts that the whole Marehan clan has been chased out of the country and reduced to refugees together with their women and children speaks volumes about the military outcome. For the mere fact that no Hawiye calls Kakuma or the rest of the refugee camps home, is a powerful reminder of the military out-come of the 1990s clan wars.

Furthermore, for the Marehan to beg for military protection from the same Ceyr that has eradicated their power and occupied their ancestral homes, is both damning and disgusting remainder of the relevancy of the Marehan clan in today’s Somali affairs. They have in essence, became our Somali version of western political prostitutes! – changing beds with their Habar Gidir daddies who pimped them in the battleground and the Majerteen who overtook them as the premier Darood economic power-house! So essentially, it is fanatical for Marehan turncoats to talk about a non-existent clan-wide pride, which really flew out of the window with the first shots of the civil war.
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It is your inherent right as Marehan to construct non-existing reality Laughing But as i said before:

"One thing that really stuns me is how some-one who is Marehan (the most irrelevant player in the Somali politics ) can have the audacity to call Mudulood some-thing along the lines of being extraneous, especially when the truth is that along with the Majerteen, there is no other clan (or a sub clan for that matter ) that is as dominant and influential as the Mudulood. In addition, the gentleman has accused Mudulood of being national traitors which too is essentially an oxy-moron since the first drum-beaters for the Ethiopian invasion of Somalia, the people who have justified the advent of the Ethiopian mercenaries within our national territories, and reduced a complicated and highly underlying convergences of international (and regional) geo-political strategic interests with regards to the Somali affairs as a simple feud between Hawyie and Darood were all Marehan! Furthermore, was it not the delusional warlord Barre Hirale (a man every Marehan turncoat proclaims as a mystical super-hero?) who said the infamous quote, “forget about the Ethiopians, for the Hawyie we will even invite the Zionists to fight them!?”

Besides, doesn’t the ugly history of Ethiopian intrusions of Somali politics have its origins in the Marehan collaboration (through the so-called Gedo state) to fight against the patriotic Al Itihad Al Islam (people who were fighting for the rights of fellow Somalis subjugated by our traditional antagonist) the real pioneers of an ugly and nasty precedent of national deceit and betrayal? In fact, not-withstanding the current Majerteen collaboration with the Ethiopian regime, aren’t the Marehan the only Somali clan that regularly go to a traditional pilgrimage to the palaces of Meles Zenawi begging for petty favors?; which really fits nicely to the new item posted by my friend Somaliwayne on this very thread, were your delusional Marehan leaders were only too happy to lend support to the British at a time when the rest of the Somali race was fighting against the colonizers, even giving their women as personal gift to the colonizers!"

Go to bed and leave Somali politics to Mudulood and Majerteen, and pray for a better day! Cool
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^ cot damn. Twisted_logic delivered some hutu style haymakers. But well said.
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^^

Laughing Laughing ,

How cute; The two weaklings of Somalia Muloduud/Majerten engaged in a lovefest. Now both of you off to your Daddy Zenawi for some 'good lovin'. Laughing Laughing


Amazing to see the two chicks of Zenawi getting along. Thats what all those threesomes in Zenawis bed will do for you. rose Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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[quote="Luq_Ganane"]^^

The two weaklings of Somalia Muloduud/Majerten in a lovefest. Now both of you off to your Daddy Zenawi for some 'good lovin'. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing[/quote]

Funnt that coming from a Marehan politcal prostitute Laughing Laughing
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^^

Twisted Logic,

Meles Zenawi said he's gonna put both Muloduud/Majerten to bed. rose http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV7PFX_GOZA rose

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Considering Twisted_logic, whether a he or a she, is the epitome and apt description of all that is the basis for this topic, the Mudulood position vis-a-vis Somali politics, one would assume such individuals would care to avoid this topic altogether and not set sight within several parameters of anyone speaking of it. However, as the length of our fingers are not created equal, so are the sound judgment and reasoning skills of humans not created equal. Where one would see shame in being the most visible description of all that is spoken here, others have an inherent predisposition that does not allow them to see shame and ingrained in them from centuries of socio-cultural behavior, in this case the lower-grade culture that Mudulood, their clan, are infamous for. In an almost comedic extension, the said individual does not stop there but in their frustration imparts a verbal diarrhea of the most fallacious account ever to grace such pages seeking to speak on the Somali civil war and even prior to that of the legacy of the late Mohammed Siad Barre. Such desperation while humourus in nature beggs to be addressed and I will give a fitting rebuttal divided into two parts. One (1.) I will address the fallacious and humourous account given by the said individual concerning the civil war and the late presidency and two (2.) I will explain and publicly detail why Twisted_Logic is the apt description of all that is the central theme of this very topic.

*One (1.)*

In desperate attempt to negate the topic, Twisted_logic embarked on detailing an almost humorously pitiful account of the civil war and wishing to re-invent history at the expense of reality. Twisted_Logic tried to speak on the overthrow of the late presidency and wished to explain the occurrence in manner bespeaking his/her clannish background; in simple and almost juvenile reasoning. While I do not respect it, I must excuse it understanding the standards set by the individual's humble background.

The reason Mohammed Siad Barre lost grip on power is very simple. Seeing that the North and Hargeisa areas were under his strict control even at the moment of the overthrow is reason enough. Twisted_Logic wished to portray the Somali government/military as a clan faction not understanding in their juvenile reasoning that the Somali military had no clan and that while even if most of the officers were of Siad's Marehan background, the overwhelming foot-soldiers were not. During the ending of the late president's background, what led to the fracture that expelled him from power is a question one must understand when attempting to formulate an opinion on it. The Somali government disintegrated when the military disintegrated. During the ending of the Somali regime's existence, there was widespread desertion of the military when every clan deserted and stood as clans. The Hawiye deserted en mass, the Isaaq deserted en mass, in fact even the Darood deserted en mass led by the Majeerteen. At the beginning of the civil war, the existence of the Somali military was null and void and Siad Barre did not have a state security apparatus under his control. Where is Twisted_Logic, when his/her Hawiye uncles and their alliance of others were yealling the cry "MUSLIM VS. MAREEXAAN" in shrill voices showing the fight to be between Somalis on hand and Marehans on hand in a land that was no traditional Marehan land and even your menial servants as enemy combatants? Where was Twisted_Logic when her clans people who deserted took control of all the Somali armories, all located around Benadir region? Where were you when even the odds were so stacked against the Marehan that even despite the fact that everyone had taken arms against them, had lost control of the armories, had ALL of the countryside and their next-door neighbors as hostile enemy combatants, that the Marehan continued to hold on and fight for over a year before deciding it was time to leave as it was not strategic to continue to stay within the enemy's belly with even your family under enemy target?

It was then that all of the Hawiye clans who had grouped under the USC had started arming themselves with all the left-over apparatus of the Somali military and started trailing Marehans who had fled as families. What is the outcome when militias composed of ready-to-fight men are pitted against men who are desperately trying to find safety for their families? It was in this manner that support from the Rahanweyn (RRA) and other hostile clan's support was solicited by the USC and the Marehan hunt turned into attempted genocide since the Rahanweyn at that time lived with the Marehan in Gedo and were not distinguishable from them. It was because of this reason most Marehans did not stop until they reached the Kenyan border where the men would shuck of their load, i.e families in order to regroup and attack. With this occuring, it was easy for Aydiid's USC militias to penetrate and occupy Gedo for short-term. Battles are lost but what decides the future is the war. In the most glorious military sweep every witness in Somali history, the world press continues to this day speak of the dazzling Mareexaan counter-attack that details the destruction of the USC entity with the death of Aydiid's right hand man Col Shabeel, his mortal injury which led him to go into hidden recuperation for four months, the near casualty rate of 3/4 of the USC fighters and Marehan power-grap of everywhere from Kismaayo to Gaalkacyo. This is the legacy of the civil war for this group. If Aydiid had managed to won the war no one would be speaking of such a minuscule aspect of the Somali civil war like him entering Gedo when Marehans first priority was finding shelter for their families, but because he had not won the war and Hawiye saw its destruction and shepherded back to each other like lost lambs in the Mogadishu where they ate each other alive in their agony, you are forced to speak of a small luck the USC had attained in occupying Gedo. The war's turnout is visible for anyone today and Marehan today are the single most power-ful sub-clan in the history of Somalia, single-handedly managing the second largest city in Somalia and the largest piece of prime real estate ever valued by anyone in that part of the world while you support a foreign occupation of your own land because you could not even keep few districts. Where is Mudulood? I will answer this question and your position in the second part but I will speak on the Ayr part and Kismaayo.

While such a discussion is most fruitful with an Ayr attendance, I will explain in the hopes the feeble Mudulood brain will be forced to acknowledge when even today the Marehan are the only group whose name comes up when saying Kismaayo and why the Marehan singularly defeated and chased out the TFG forces led by Col Afgaduud and the Ogaden Col Koojaar, forces who were larger and better armed then Morgan's rag tag group of whom supposedly Marehan required assistance defeating.

It is a known fact that when Marehan captured Kismaayo and expulled Aydiid, they left the city to Gen Morgan who was until then a Marehan lackey and son-in-law of our most senior leadership, President Mohammed Siad Barre, and made way back to Gedo and their families. No Marehan gave a single thought to Kismaayo until all of a sudden the world heard our small number of ilmo adeero there were being badly treated by Gen Morgan. That is when Marehan decided to capture Kismaayo from Gen Morgan once and for all and because Gedo could not afford to send any soldiers there (that time being the most heaviest fighting in Gedo and even Ethiopia being involved), a Marehan army from Caabudwaaq was brought down with few Cayr guarding them through Hawiye lands. This act of goodwill was instrumental for the Cayr, because they later called upon our help in defeating Sacad and Ileyte in the Banana Wars in Lower Shabelle. Even ask Abdiwahab why the Cayr defeated the Sacad in Lower Shabelle and kicked our Hussein Aydiid's SNA forces. The capture of Kismaayo was in 1998, and the Jubba Valley Alliance was set up in 2001 when a symbolic son of Marehan, Abdiqasim Salad Hassan, became president and wanted to continue the long friendship and ties he had with his patrons of over 21 years. This was also necessary for his Cayr to survive since the alliance of warlords, particularly Mudulood and Sacad, were opposed to his TFG and it's small forces, the Cayr. This alliance was also beneficial for Marehan because it entrenched them once again back in Mogadishu and strengthened the economic positions they had built up in Kismaayo.

Then again what is a Mudulood to understand of this senior political posturing?


*Two (2.)*

With the defeat of Aydiid's forces where his forces were near obliterated, his chance of ruling Somalia were close to a quranic prophetic miracle, where he was injured and morally broken, and with the loss of nearly all his weaponry, the said man came back to the Mogadishu that had existed for centuries as primarily a Mudulood deegaan and declared he was the mayor Mogadishu if he could not be the president of Somalia. Mudulood coward in fear. In an attempt to bolster supported, they gathered a conglomerate of forces including the revengeful Murusade (who attained the nickname "beesha Kuwait" after their defeat at the hands of the Sacad), etc and decided in a miraculous show of forced bravery that they would once and for all expel Aydiid from Mogadishu. Aydiid attacked. The conglomerate of forces could do none but watch as Aydiid's forces took over all the districts of Mogadishu except for Kaaraan and Medina (the only two districts that have stayed out of Habar Gidir hands even today). This is the stalemate that Mudulood has watched with anger, fear, and revenge all these years. Aydiid's forces even expanded and tookover such areas as Afgooye (Mudulood Wacdaan).

Because of this reason, the Mudulood have chosen to be the willing donkeys to whom this occupation rests on and owes most gratitude to. What other clan has ALL of it's national leaders from their warlords to traditional leaders, intellectuals to religious leaders, have all been recorded as not only supporting the Ethiopian offensive in Mogadishu but have given material support to see about an Ethiopian victory over the Habar Gidir and expulsion from Mogadishu, a long-term objective of the hapless and largely weak Mudulood. You yourself, Twisted_Logic, have been recorded on this very forum as a prime supporter of the TFG/Ethiopians and have even been addressed countless times by others ranging from Ismahan to Gamadiid. Infact, only after you have been shown of your national position in politics with the firing of Gheedi, have you become somewhat modest in your support of the TFG. Now understanding that the aim of this topic was to show that majority of Mudulood are willing collaborators of the Ethiopian actions in Mogadishu, are you not yourself the prime example of all I have explained here and part of the representation of the Mudulood as the willing donkeys to whom this occupation owes its existence to? Surprised
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"others have an inherent predisposition that does not allow them to see shame and ingrained in them from centuries of socio-cultural behavior, in this case the lower-grade culture that Mudulood, their clan, are infamous for."


"While I do not respect it, I must excuse it understanding the standards set by the individual's humble background. "

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BRAVO!

Thanks for this in depth explanation of mudulood thinking, or lack of it.


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[quote="sadeboi"]:lol: Laughing Laughing @ beesha kuwait[/quote]


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Voltage,


The disintegration of the Somali state was systematic and came from the very top leadership of the government. It is no secret that to consolidate his illegitimate rule the late president Siyad Barre employed the most heinous tool in the Somali culture-the methodical use of the clan card to secure his rule and pit one clan against the other, in doing so, the late president and his advisors underestimated the grave danger of their devious plans. The clan wars between the Habar Gidir against the Majerteen, the Ogadeen war against certain Hawiye sub-clans and the systematic destruction of the Isaaq people in the north are some of the grave legacies of the Siyad Barre regime. It is because of these realities and the ever-present evidence that majority of the Somali people; regard the present clan animosity in Somalia today as a pure Marehan creation!

As the Somali dictator betrothed in sadistic circle of perpetual war against his own people, the structures of the Somali state crumbled-and they crumbled from within! As battles raged on, the national troops questioned the wisdom of blindly following the orders of a dying regime that was hell-bent of protracting an already lost cause. As a result the troops deserted the national military, and they deserted with their weapons sowing the seeds of incessant war-between clans and brothers! The destruction of the Somali republic is the serious implications of excessive practice nepotism and clan-politics which unfortunately has become a trade-mark of Somali politics. The mere fact that Marehan people never distance themselves from the perfidious actions of the late Somali dictator speaks volumes about the inherent incompetence of the Marehan-and they certainly speak loud and clear!

The mere fact that Marehan and their Darood allies inherited the bulk of the Somali military machine, yet suffered a long list of military defeats at the hands of the Hawiye dominated USC pretty much summons the ineptitude of the Marehan in battleground. To create a self-indulgent and juvenile list of excuses is in actuality a failed attempt to redeem their demise through fairy-tales and fantasies! The rest of the Somali nation prefers to acknowledge the extreme level of irrelevancy you have been reduced to giving a Somali meaning to the phrase “from hero to zero!”

Another noticeable lie you have raised is the notion that Gen. Aideed and his band of wreck crew, have deserted the Gedo theatre due to the military exploits of the Marehan! When the reality is that ( I am sure our HG friends will comment on this) Aideed and great majority of his leadership were more concerned about conquering Mogadishu, then give attention to an all-ready defeated party such as the Marehan. Aideed ordered the desertion of Gedo, essentially because of the numerous underlying factors, such as the effort to concentrate his forces in the Banadir region, and strategic irrelevancy of the Gedo section. The mere fact that the Marehan had to come under the Ceyr lordship is a testimony to that fact. Aideed knew that with-out the Habar Gidir, the Marehan will never be able to consolidate their power in the ancestral regions, and if it could come with a substantial margin of profit (namely, the Ceyr accumulation of wealth and power), then why not! The sheer actuality, that after the Ceyr domination of the Marehan both militarily and economically, that they became the most powerful section within the Hawiye at least economically is a strong reminder that the fairy-tales that you are desperately constructing are mere non-sense and fantasies!

In contrast, when the Mudulood fought against Aideed and his coalition of Hawiye and Rahenwayne militias, the chances of Mudulood victory were highly improbable. In fact, numerous Hawiye clans joined the war against Mudulood, because they expected the quick defeat of the Mudulood. That the Mudulood held their ground and controlled at least 10 out of the 16 districts in Mogadishu speaks volumes about the military out-come of the war; that while the Marehan and their Darood allies were chased all the way into Kenya and reduced as mere refugees, the Mudulood stood their ground and dealt the HG and their Hawiye allies their greatest military defeats. Stories of Keysaney, Madina, Waberi and Bermuda come to mind, where the Mudulood clans handed their opponents one of the most memorable defeats. In fact, the quick disintegration of the Habar Gidir led Hawiye alliance against the Mudulood, explains to a great extent, the utter desperation of Aideed and his ensuing battles to take out his allies such as the Murusade and Xawadle. Of course, after the death of the general, the Habar Gidir fragmented and diminished into a Ceyr and Sacad camp.

Another wacky claim you have raised is that the Mudulood invited the Ethiopians to Somalia to massacre the Habar Gidir. The truth is that there exists nothing called Habar Gidir today at least not on paper and reality! It is common knowledge that the only Hawiye sub-clan to fight as clan against the ICU was the Sacad, and they certainly were not Mudulood. In fact, some of the greatest defeats of the ICU occurred in the GalMudug region and it came at the hands of the Sacad. Furthermore, the current quandary in Mogadishu has nothing to do with Mudulood vs. Habar Gidir and everything to do with Ceyr vs. Sacad competition. The looting of the Bakarah market and the almost daily fighting in Howl-Wadag area is a clear example where Ceyr militias clash with Sacad police units led by Abdi-Qaybdid. Mudulood has nothing to do with those clashes. Of course, as the owners of the Banadir region, we manage the day to day affairs of the region, but to reduce those converging realities in Mogadishu into a Mudulood vs. Habar Gidir, if anything proves your inherent naivety ( perhaps intentional) of Somali realities.

In addition, as I have said before, the first people who have reduced a highly complicated and highly underlying convergences of geo-political and strategic dynamics in Somalia today, into a mere feud between Darood Vs. Hawiye affair after the liberation of Kismayo by the ICU, were none other than your oft-hailed warlord Barre Hirale and his Marehan cohorts. It is no secret that Barre Hirale said the infamous quote that, “for the Hawiye we will even invite the Zionist to fight them.” The mere fact that Marehan clan-elders have to make the journey across the border to consult Meles Zenawi every-now and then, essentially exposes the inherent fifth column status of the Marehan when it comes to Somali politics. As history proclaims witness, and as Somaliwayne has proved, the very seeds of treachery were planted by your fellow Marehan turncoats when they offered to fight alongside our colonizers who brutalized and massacred our own people and at a time when the Somali people were beginning to raise up against the invading colonizers. By contrast, Mudulood didn’t choose to invite the Ethiopians into our country, the genesis of the current Somali conflict lies in the fact that your Marehan turncoats have back-stabbed the nation once again, and revived a Darood vs. Hawiye clash at a time when the rest of the Somali nation have chosen to forgive and forget. If the Ethiopians massacre our people, it is not because of the actions of the Mudulood, it is because majority of your Marehan people have hijacked the train of Somali unity and revived a Darood Vs. Hawiye debate at a time when the invaders were massing in our borders!
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Re: Somaliweyn: Dowladsade has put you on the Spot!

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Twisted Logic,

I think you misunderstood the challenge Voltage presented to you. His challenge was not about who could write the most BS, but who could bring forth more logical points. You didn't refute anything he said. So I see your taking pride in typical Muloduud form, in controlling DISTRICTS (2) of Xamar while it is a well known fact that we liberated REGIONS (Jubbada Hoose, Gedo, Mudug). In the game of Somali politics alliances and blocs will be made. Perfect example is the unholy Muloduud, Majerten Tigray alliance. Again we made an alliance with CAYR, as they were able to provide the logistics and safeguarding of the Marexaan army from CABUDWAQ, to go through Hawiye lands at the zenith of Hawiye Darood tensions unscathed. If Cayr cornered the market and strong armed Muloduud in Xamar which they did, then I'm sorry to hear that. It just proves how useless Muloduud is that a subclan of HG dominates Muloduud in their own "city". Laughing Anyhow its a well known fact that the entire economy in Southern Somalia was pretty much controlled by Marexaan and Cayr who actually have a long history together. In your false depiction of the Cayr Marexaan alliance you tried to fruitlessly paint a slave master relationshiop. Perhaps you need to figure out what a slave master relationship is. A slave relationship master exists between Majerten and Muloduud. Abdullahi Yusuf has succeeded in having his Muloduud lackeys spearhead the Tigray to wipe out thousands of Hawiye INCLUDING Muloduud, and make a half million of them homeless. If Marexaan had HG cuqdad, they would engage in the xasuuq but they've distanced themselves from it while Muloduud prostitutes have shamelessly supported it in the name of "getting revenge". As far as the ICU and Somalia, the ICU was a Southern Somalia movement that trancended qabil lines. 90% of Somalia supported it regardless of qabil. The same Marexaan who were Itixaad yesteday, wholeheartedly joined the ICU. Marexaan elders, youth, businessmen etc. joined the ICU in masse. These were the same Marexaan that told Barre 'We're not going to fight deen, so leave the city'. It was the first time Barre lost the support of clan to an idealogical movement. When Barre made the comment about 'using yahud against ICU' he made it in anger and bitterness at supporting the ICU militairly and economically, being Anti Tigray, and then getting betrayed just because he wasn't Dahir Aweis's nephew like Indacadde. However while Marexaan, Ogadeen fought to end in Idaale and Diinsoor, Muloduud smiled at the ICU defeat and welcomed the Eithos into Xamar and promised to support them wholeheartedly. Mohamed Dhere received a rousing welcome in Jowhar, and the Eithos came and first set up base in Medina and then went on to administer pain and punishment to the Hawiye in Xamar. It also speaks volumes that Barre Hiiraale didn't even want to have anything to do with the Xamar xasuuq, but his deputy Salad Jeele (Suprise Muloduud) stepped up and became the voice of Muloduud Tigray revenge against HG. Barre Hiiraale's business was in Diinsoor, Idaale and as soon as that was over he wiped his hands clean, while Muloduud continued their longtime tradition of licking foreigners genitals for small rewards. down

From your post: "the very seeds of treachery were planted by your fellow Marehan turncoats when they offered to fight alongside our colonizers who brutalized and massacred our own people and at a time when the Somali people were beginning to raise up against the invading colonizers. By contrast, Mudulood didn’t choose to invite the Ethiopians into our country"

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