Somalis descended from Oromo. here is the proof in Pic

[James Dahl]

Pre-Islamic somali tribes such as , Dir, Hawiye, D& Mirifle and almost 50% of Daarood have some cultural triat and admixture of Oromo elements.

Hargaysa isn't and can't be Oromo town, Hargaysa is less then 200 years old, and the name Hargaysa itself is less then 90 years old, Hargaysa of 1910 and before was refered to as Herer (small Harar).

Hargaysa is not less than 200 years old, Yusuf al-Kawnayn conquered it from the Yibir over a thousand years ago.

There is no record of Oromo settelment of most somalia , the Oromo oral history never claimes any part of somalia that tells you the pre-islamic somalis (non Isaaq non Daarood) were in somalia for thousands of years.

You're mistaking effect and cause. Somalis were in Somalia for thousands of years, but for the first thousand they were Oromo themselves. Most Oromo do actually believe that Somalis stole their ancestral lands, and that they were originally from Somalia, but the experts at oral history will tell you that this is nonsense, since the Somali are Humbana Oromo and thus splitters, not conquerers.

Not only some of us came from the middle east even our sheep the fat tailed black headed breed is of Persian origin and above all the somali life line the camles came from Arabia with horses,

Somalis introduced both camesl and horses to Xabashis and the unique persian black headed sheeps.

The pre-Islamic tribes of somalia have to stop their obsesson with Arab-Phobia, our entire culture from clans to camles is of Arab origin.

Yes and no, the dromedary camel was introduced to Somalia from Egypt by the Ptolemies in 200 BCE, when they expanded down the red sea coast. Somalia's sheep have been in east africa for much longer, the Qahtani brought them with them when they first settled in Ethiopia in 2500 BCE. The Arabs did introduce horses though, in the 800s when the Caliphate conquered Zeila.

No oromos have the systematic tribal segmenation and genealogy , most Oromos are basically despied animals in Ethopia they are known for 2 things , been passive docile and dirty, the first is never a somali vice or virtue and the last has no place in the somali nomads way of life the nomads are exermist in heygine you would never see a somali nomad without a bursh twig burshing his teeth as mater of entertainment while watching his camles.

Oromos do have systematic tribal segmentation and genealogy, and it's just as complex as the Somali clan system. I was led to believe the same as you, but decided to check anyways and it's completely wrong. Oromo are far more noble than you give them credit for, they have much in common with Somali.

[eri_jeberti]

Ram nag zumali..my bantu forefather 8)

Ram nag is actually Oromo b. al-Negashi, and he was a Kushite, not a Bantu.
He was the emperor of Axum who protected Mohammed and his companions.

negashi aka armac II is the first mohsen in islam,he was born about 25km where im from,HE WAS BORN IN ERITREA A TOWN CALLED DEBARBWA.
NEGASHI AKA ARMAC II IS MY HOMEBOY.lol

[RIIGHAYE]

MN-Mayor, you and others should read, this book by Jean Hiernaux, "The People of Africa".

Those who descended from Oromo are the Sab , DIR (including Isaaq) and Hawiye."

described is comprised of 4. Except the Nilotes who are extremely tall.


Tutsi
Gala (Oromo)
Sab (Somali)
Warsangeli (Daarood Somali)

"Physically, the Galla resemble the Tutsi in face and nose shape but they are shorter in stature and head length. Their skin is dark , brown , and black. Their hair form falls most often in the curly to kinky class; a few individuals shows the ppercorn type, but nearly 9 percent of them have hair with long, broad waves, which speaks for a moderate Arab influence in their gene pool.

"The Two samples of Somali on which detailed anthropomentric date are available show significant differences. The small sample of southern Somali soldiers , most of Sab descent (Digil iyo Mirifle) measured by Pucconi resemble the Tutsi rather closely.
The Larger sample of Northern Somali belonging to various groups , the best represented by being the Warsingali have a relatively narrower face and nose, apprently they are strongly Arabicized. "
"As a whole, however, the northern Somali do not tend to have an especially important Arab component in their gene pool. "

[James Dahl]

Aliyyi Oromada,

From the Oromo point of view it is correct to say that all Oromo are Oromo, regardless of their ancestors. The Somali point of view is actually somewhere in between this view and the Arab view that only paternal descendants are proper members of a clan. It's actually something of a strange situation. It's a sensitive topic though and I shouldn't even bring it up, it'll just make people upset.

The thing is is that Oromo is a system, it is not a tribe. The moieties aren't even really genealogical, they are assigned roles within the system that have a vague genealogical association.

If you are an "ethnic Oromo" (for the sake of argument let's define this as an patrilinear descendant of Horo) then you have an abtiris that leads to Borana or Barentuma. I have a copy of one I've recorded and it goes back about 30 generations, making Horo slightly later in history than Samaale, putting them both in the 9th-10th century. This of course means that Oromo is not descended from Samaale and neither is Samaale descended from Oromo, but rather that they share an as of yet undiscovered common ancestor that could be anything from 4 to 80 generations previous, which of course makes finding such a common ancestor in the absence of written records next to impossible.

That is, unless such a common ancestor is attested in another, older tradition, perhaps among the Saho or Hadiya. As of yet I have found nothing.

[abdirisak22]

Oromos and Somalis share common root and many historians believe that Oromo homeland is Somalia. Somalis and Oromos must split when Islam came to horn, those who accept Islam became Somalis and those who still believed old Waqa or Geda system became Oromo. there are many Somali tribes in Oromo people most those Oromized Somalis are Daaroods they are Gerri Or Marehan:
Example: There are Guji Oromo who would tell you that they are Gerri people. and there are Selte people who live between Sado Oromo and Gurage who would tell that they are Marehans.
What about names like Abgaal, Gaalagale, Gaalojecel Etc? they tell u those tribes were Galla or Oromo many moons ago, I don;t buy when some people say Abgaal means the abkii Geella or gaalka, Abgaal simply means those who descended from Galla (don't show this forum to Ab-Gaal people plz, they will upset)
What about Gare, Jedu, and reer Baare people? and last but not the least the most strange name in Somali people: BAADI CADDE or the White foriegner.
Please don't ponder a history and complex subjects that we can't tackle.

[Aliyyi Oromada]

James,

I don't think Oromos are an older group either. The size difference is because Oromos conquered the highly populated highlands, while the lowlands adjacent to the coast conquered by the Somali were lesser populated. That added to the large amount of children many Oromo families have. There is a saying amongst our neighbouring dir tribes that every Oromo family is a dawla (state), with enough population and land to sustain itself.

From the Oromo point of view it is correct to say that all Oromo are Oromo, regardless of their ancestors. The Somali point of view is actually somewhere in between this view and the Arab view that only paternal descendants are proper members of a clan. It's actually something of a strange situation. It's a sensitive topic though and I shouldn't even bring it up, it'll just make people upset.

I don't know where the practice started but it seems to have been going on for quite a long time. Most Oromos you will find take it to be 100% genealogical and take pride in their 'genetic purity', but theres nothing I've seen based in tradition that speaks of genetic purity. Which is why there is so much diversity from region to region.

abdirasak22,

I agree with this:

Oromos and Somalis share common root and many historians believe that Oromo homeland is Somalia. Somalis and Oromos must split when Islam came to horn, those who accept Islam became Somalis and those who still believed old Waqa or Geda system became Oromo.

But when Oromos expanded after this, some areas that were Muslim became Oromo, and some areas under the Abyssinians and were christian also became Oromo. So Oromos today, depending on which region you go, some have ancestors who have been Muslim since the hejra of the sahaba, and some have ancestors who were christian from the time of the solomonic expansion.

As for the word gaal, apart from the somali meaning (kaafir), it also has a meaning in Oromo. In somali what you pronounce geel, we pronounce as gaala. For example the Gabra Oromo tribe in north kenya are known as "warra gaala" (people of the camel) because they herd camels. Therefore Abgaal can simply mean Ab-gaal (father of camel). Who knows. But among Hawiye I have seen the name 'Muuday', which in Oromo means to annoint. It's based in traditional practices. This can all be stuff to be recorded in history books, but practically speaking Oromos and somalis today for the most part aren't really interested in this stuff. The only thing that really unites us is Islam, and perhaps other visible things we have in common.