BEING IN AFRICA HAS SHOWN ME THE PROBLEM WITH....

[FAH1223]

We just don't know central government.

We're behind 200 years and now its only clan based alliances and institutions that rule. Then those clans become rivals and poke it out.

Even between sub sub clans

Something just isn't right.

[Haddad]

We just don't know central government.

We're behind 200 years and now its only clan based alliances and institutions that rule. Then those clans become rivals and poke it out.

Even between sub sub clans

Something just isn't right.

You're being very pessimistic. That doesn't help.

[Aliyah99]

We just don't know central government.

We're behind 200 years and now its only clan based alliances and institutions that rule. Then those clans become rivals and poke it out.

Even between sub sub clans

Something just isn't right.

You're being very pessimistic. That doesn't help.

It helps to acknowledge the truth.. the modern nation states are 200 yrs old and somalis are not capable of that so they are 200 yrs behind...

Somaliland is a fledgling nation state but at least we understand collective good.. I admit we have a long way to go, but we are on the right path nationhood.

[Aliyah99]

"the mayor of the city Yabaq arrived (being too late), just came from his khat session in his ridiculous shirt and gave his speech with a focking fanta bottle in his hand."





Hoorta WHY do all somalis love fanta?? loooool

Not me


Coca-Cola 4 life 8)

[FAH1223]

Not me


Coca-Cola 4 life 8)

Fanta is actually with Coca Cola

[Haddad]

It helps to acknowledge the truth.. the modern nation states are 200 yrs old and somalis are not capable of that so they are 200 yrs behind...

Somaliland is a fledgling nation state but at least we understand collective good.. I admit we have a long way to go, but we are on the right path nationhood.

No, you're mistaken. And your analogy is very misplaced. You're comparing stable countries with a Somalia that underwent years of civil war and anarchy, plus invasion and occupation. I don't get what balance you've used to measure the 200 years. Is there's such a balance? Did people live like how Somalis live today 200 years ago? I wouldn't mind if you can provide any links comparing today's life in Somalia to life 200 years ago.

[Voltage]

Voltage,


I know how you feel and I know you know that I know how you feel, b/c I remember when you were spot on when you mentioned that I came back disillusioned from my trip to Somalia. I experienced exactly what you're talking about. I learned that the Somali people at large is not my people and their culture not mine, but that it's limited to the Westernized Somali diaspora. Meaning, only among the Somalis in the diaspora can you truly feel at home and never among the Somalis back home. It's like a black dude who grew up in rich, white suburbs with an ivy league education trying to go back to the hood, only because that's where his 'roots' lies. The importance of the source fades over time.

To give you a few examples that ignited this thinking process are the following:

1- The hierarchy in Somalia bugged me the fock out, I thought we were the most egalitarian race on earth only to find out that Somalis live, drink, breathe and shit hierarchy in their daily lives. Every Somali has and needs another Somali to trample upon and look down to, no matter how sad a character he is himself.

2- I attended a grand shir in Gaalkacyo in the Qurac Weyn building, and after numerous boring speeches by different elders and a buraanbur by an elderly woman, the mayor of the city Yabaq arrived (being too late), just came from his khat session in his ridiculous shirt and gave his speech with a focking fanta bottle in his hand.

3- When a woman from the UK in my airplane told me she got robbed by her own cousins in Caabuudwaaq. She was devastated.


This lack of discipline, this borderline xayawaan behaviour of Somalis is absolutely what's crippling us.

Rageedi sxb and I'm glad to have guessed the reason for your change. I remember the way you were before (the infamous "Sheikh" ) and when you turn around completely from leading clan attacks to disdaining clan topics and from constantly posting every single structure built in Puntland to putting all Somali development in their own basket, I knew something changed you in your much publicized visit to Puntland. Obviously something you saw disappointed/disillusioned you and while I guessed it then, I now fully understand it.

Same s.hit that I saw!

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[Mr. Yungnfresh]

The underlying problem with Somalis is madax adeeg. Don't get me wrong, being stubborn about the right things is a key ingredient to success and fuels ambition, lakiin only with moderation and within reason. As with anything else, too much of a good thing is bad for u. For example, we're all made from water and will die without it's regular intake, lakiin being immersed in it will kill u too. That's exactly what the problem with Somalis is reminiscient of, we're drowning in our own stubborness and false sense of grandeur. We all seem to think that we're always right, especially when we're wrong, and our idea deserves precedence over anyone else's because it's obviously the best. Lakiin 20 million different opinions can't be "the best". We tend to view compomise and mutual concessions as a minor defeat since we fell short of appeasement. No society can become progressive and thrive under this kind of pretense.

Another problem, albeit on a far lesser scale, is our habitual rudeness that we're, more often than not, unaware of. If one consciously realized they're being rude, they can take steps to correct their behaviour...lakiin when ur demeanor is inherently offensive/inconsiderate and ur oblivious to it, u percieve it as the norm and even begin to regard the opposite as an abnormality or character defect in others. I remember seeing 2 islaamo at a busstop who were verbally berating a homeless man in Somali. I didn't even have to be Somali to understand that he was the topic of their discussion, because they were blatantly pointing at and gesturing towards him, seemingly impartial to the prospect that he would realize they were discussing him. It almost looked like they were making a concerted effort to remove all doubt about who they were ridiculing, and the scariest part is, it was likely unbeknownst to them. Welcome to Somali civility.

[RebelLion]

It seems the trip to africa has done our resident bi polar voltage some good, but I don't think you need to go to africa to observe the lack of professionalism, manners in some somali people.

[FAH1223]

It seems the trip to africa has done our resident bi polar voltage some good, but I don't think you need to go to africa to observe the lack of professionalism, manners in some somali people.

I think going to Africa was the main reason.

He didn't expect that the old men in coffee shops and their attitudes and unprofessionalism is the same as back home.

[dawwa9]

Who the hell goes to places like Gedo in the first place? that place is still in the dark ages..

Other than Somaliland and Puntland no place in Somalia is somewhat modern or a place that can accommodate diasporans

See how negative Voltage is about his trip to Marehan land, while I visited Puntland this year without any negative views of it..

[Haddad]

Who the hell goes to places like Gedo in the first place? that place is still in the dark ages..

You're completely mistaken. The Dark Ages was one of the worst ages. Europeans in those ages used to cure certain illnesses by placing a dead rat under the pillow of the sick person. Just on example.

[Grant]

Who the hell goes to places like Gedo in the first place? that place is still in the dark ages..

You're completely mistaken. The Dark Ages was one of the worst ages. Europeans in those ages used to cure certain illnesses by placing a dead rat under the pillow of the sick person. Just on example.

Is there an errror in logic here, or is it just me? And how about a link for the dead rat"s cure.....

[GENERAL_SNM]

Its so easy to look at the negatives in our culture and block out the positives, the white media feeds us dailly rations of those.We should instead focus on the positives and try and increase them.We need to counter those propagandas with our own .The things that are postives about somalia in general when compared to the sub saharan africa...
1)They have the highest levels of aids, compaired to somalia.
2)Most of their governments are dictators and its only a matter of time before they find themselves in somalia's situation.
3)The development in african countries are not light years ahead of somalia as a whole, but only 5 years if that and a bit of major investment.

The problem with the topic starters point is, he went to africa with a whitemans mindset.He is judging the somali people by western expectation of how a person should act.The Kenyens do their very best to mimick western attitudes and mannersim, they take western names and go to protistant churches.They in short have forgotten their own cultures to be accpeted by the whitemen.

In short Voltage 'when in rome do as the romens do'