A Question For Salafi_Student!

[Kolombo]

Refute what? I agree with the scholar 100%. I asked you did Shaikh Ibn Baaz ever make Takfir on the Saudi Gov. Yes or No?

Sh. Ibn Baaz (raheemullah) was asked: "What are the actions that if a Muslim does will make him an apostate?"

His response: Supporting the mushrikeen & kuffaar and helping them against the Muslims. The evidence for that is the verse in al-maa'idah #51.

"O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa), then surely, he is one of them. Verily, Allaah guides not those people who are the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust)"

[al-Maa'idah 5:51]

Source: http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/31807/mo ... the%20dead

How was the Saudi government formed? Through the help of the British government, which is a Kaaffir government. I gave you a verse from the Qur'an, you haven't given me anything which makes it acceptable to follow or even respect the Saudi government, since they were formed by the Kuffaar.

In addition, Ibn Saud rebelled against the Muslim Ottoman rulers with the help of the Kuffaar and once this Muslim rule was over declared himself King, when Allah alone is King, he has betrayed his people and his deen. He also broke your sect's golden rule, which is to never rebel against a ruler.

You're obviously a brainwashed individual, don't give your usual rants, instead back-up your arguments with evidence from the Qur'an and ahadith.

[Kolombo]

American Salafi,

Watch this video, this sister used to be just like you; a blind follower, but Allah helped her to question the devious & un-Islamic conduct of your sect members, maybe it will help you as well:

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WTF are you'll opn about?

[Kolombo]

^Dude, just watch the video I put up, it'll help you understand things better.

[American Salafi]

Kolombo

Are you sane? You posted a general statment of Shaikh Ibn Baaz talking about apostasy and then take the scholars word and then try to interpert it in your own way.
What i don't understand is the whole notion that the Saudi Gov. which was formed years ago is illegitament because the british helped establish the Government. What you don't understand is in Islam there are three ways in which someone can come into power.

1. The person is given the position of authority from his predessor.

2. He is given power by a shur'a

3. He comes into power by force.

What ever way the Saudi Gov. meant came into power is now irrelevent because the reality is that they now control the country and showed be obeyed in what is good.

Also Shaikh Ibn Baaz was the Mufti of Saudi Arabia. He was the Head of the scholars of Saudi. So I am confused with your logic. what are you trying to convey? Wallahi i am clueless.

[American Salafi]

Also the video you posted about the girl is Cajaaib. This girl says she likes to read sufi books, philosophy books, and also shaikh Albaani's books. Who in the world would take knowledge from both a sufi and a salafi individuals. Wallahi she is confused.

Here is a video of a brother refuted this sister:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP6HgVE8zT8

[Kolombo]

1. The person is given the position of authority from his predessor.

2. He is given power by a shur'a

3. He comes into power by force.

Did Abdul aziz Ibn Saud fit under any of these categories? The answer is No. He rebelled against an existing Muslim government with the aid of the kuffaar. Wasn't it you who kept saying "Nobody can rebel against a Muslim ruler"? I want you to try & justify Ibn Saud's rebellion against the Muslim Ottoman rulers & his rise to power. Nin rag ah hadaad tahay, bal sheeg.

[Salahuddiin]

[quote="American Salafi"]Most of these groups are either Ikhwaani or Itixaadi. They hate the salafis with a deep hatred because we expose their extremism and deviance. [/quote]

This is exactly what I have been asking from you and your friend long time, only to see you run away. Never did I see you or the other guy exposing anything in here. C'mon expose the deviant belief that every mujahid after 2001 (year that jihad officially died and it became terrorism) holds and that evil ideology that is the driving force of those who foolishly in their ignorance defend their countries against invading kuffar around the world.

[quote="American Salafi"]

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I watched them both and they were very general. Funny how you use statements of ibn Baz and ibn Uthaimin that were made maybe 20 years ago when talking about the world today. Both of the scholars died about 10 years ago. It's like you saying that Ahmad ibn Hanbal or Ali ibn Abi Talib didn't make takfir to Saudi-Arabia. World changes and especially in 2000's pace is very fast. Two of my teachers were students of ibn Uthaimin in Qasim and he wasn't like neo-salafis are trying to make him look like. What about all the famous scholars who did declare takfir to Saudi-Arabia after it joined the crusade lead by USA against muslims? Culama like Cuqla, Ali Khudair, Nasir al Fahd, Sulaiman Calwan etc etc and them hundreds of culama who are currently held in dungeons in that country?

Give me some fatawa from living scholars who give islamic justification why the great leaders of tawhid are openly helping kuffar against muslims around the world or how is it ok to erase parts of tawhid and Islam if the kuffar don't like them.

Just like ibn Baz said: "The scholars of Islam have gathered in agreement (ijmac) that the one who assists the kuffar against muslims and helps them with any kind of assistance then he is a kafir like them." (Majmuc al Fatawa 1/274)

[fisabililah]

Mashallah you brothers have patience in debating an 'American Salafi', I suggest you brothers do something better with your time. There is no point debating him, this mans manhaj is straight from the White house. Plus why debate people that the salaf like saeed ibn jubair (ra) called ' the jews of the Qiblah'.

[Salahuddiin]

[quote="fisabililah"]Mashallah you brothers have patience in debating an 'American Salafi', I suggest you brothers do something better with your time. There is no point debating him, this mans manhaj is straight from the White house. Plus why debate people that the salaf like saeed ibn jubair (ra) called ' the jews of the Qiblah'.[/quote]

Jazakallah khair for the good advice brother. Generally I agree with you, but when they start making their dacwa in public then they need to be debated publicly. The benefit is that more and more people will see that in the end only ones who benefit from their sect are evil rulers and US marines. Alhamdulillah I don't think that anyone in somalinet agrees with these two in what they are saying. One really has to reject his fitra to start believing what Pentagon wants muslims to believe through these people.

[Kolombo]

American Salafi & Salafi_Student, this video is for you:

[salafi_student]

^^^^

Kolompo your Answer:


I see you as perfect example of a Takfiiri and scholars had advised me not to debate with a Takfiiri!




I told you I'll answer your Q! to the best of my knowledge

[Sainab]

I am shocked with this topic!






Muslimah Amatullah

[djibsomali]

Our prophet have curse the salafi and warned us before against their deviant islam promoted the same saudi prince who drink vodka in london and have 100s of Philippians and concombines.

[salafi_student]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Dijibouti

Narrated Ali (ra): The Prophet (saw) said: "Do not tell a lie against me for whoever tells a lie against me (intentionally) then he will surely enter the Hell-fire." (Bukhari)


Narrated Anas (ra): The fact which stops me from narrating a great number of Hadiths to you is that the Prophet (saw) said: "Whoever tells a lie against me intentionally, then (surely) let him occupy his seat in Hell-fire." (Bukhari)


Narrated Salama (ra): I heard the Prophet (saw) saying, "Whoever (intentionally) ascribes to me what I have not said then (surely) let him occupy his seat in Hell-fire." (Bukhari)


By not doing your research and narrating from the Prophet (saw) ignorantly, is considered an intentional lie.

Peace