Genealogy Of Somalis; Will the real Somalis please stand?!

[AMAT-ALLAH]

NoAngst

Come'on you cant completly discard the current drawing of our ancestory history. And then suggest we trace our origins in Southern Ethiopia, and on the basis of linguistic i dont think thats viable enough to confirm our genealogy on that basis indefintly. But, (ignoring the blatant bias here) i dont believe heavily on the idea that just b/c origins cant be traced in regions outside the Horn, doesnt mean to say they couldnt have been influence by us, rather than the other way round. Look at places like Las Geel, markings found and further drawing depictions trace back 5000BC, are illustrations of how communities were found existing at that time, how could they possibly be Ethiopians eventually through time evolved into creatures highly advanced,with a beautiful knack for literature and culture like ourselves lol...No seriously please do share with us your ideas of Southern Ethiopian origins, i want to be converted!!! lol

[Digital-Infidelity]

Captain we only bring Academic proof and do not dwell on baseless hatred.

You're quoting a source that says Marehan are all Ciise (Iskubah) Darood?

You should know by now, that people belief what they want to believe even when doing so is so essentially against common sense.

[Babygirl-]

Shanka and sunrise Tinle is Dashishe not HG & Cawar is Awrtable.

cunugaan calacaalaya Darood is somali we put Somalia on the Map.

We are all somali but i beleive dalkaa lee la isaga soo horeyay, inter-marry, speak the same language, practice the same religion.. this should more important..

[abgaalKING]

this is a focking bullsh!t,we are all somalis at the end of the day,so why hate each other so much? focking qabyaalistayaal.

[Cawar]

loool naa heedhe we both know that he is Haber Gedir siiba Sacad...

Did u know that Cawar is a Tinle? Omgash I just found out...there is something fishy about him...I will soon connect the dots

I read the first post to know what thi 5 page thread was all about.. a shitty nonesense.. posted by a cuqdad ridden guy.
And the last page..and I saw someone(babygirl) mention my name..

Shanka, good luck with connecting the ....s

[Jesteye]

Captain we only bring Academic proof and do not dwell on baseless hatred.

According to this objective European source, even hundred years ago the Hawiye were not considered Somali and were looked upon as inferior.

You just shot yourself in the shoot again. Where is the Academic merit here - author? Book? Journal? What You dumbass fall to get is - the author claims marehan is Issa. and you hopelessly trying to convince us - the word means sabe...

Post Academic papers written by anthropologist.

[Jesteye]

A Hawiye person out of all people calling other people boons cuuuuuuuuuuc. Mudolod who the fock are they another another sub clan of Hawiye blood **** Bantus? Shit foqal shit.
For the last 18 yrs what have Hawiye done for Somalia, nothing but eating innocent people. Is that what u call nasab?
How dare u chat shit about Marexan, the people who ruled Somalia for 21 yrs?
Poison hearted man get a grip on urself.

Awww! Let me give you a hug!

[Jesteye]

Hajji Mormor of the Ittu Oromo recites the ancestry from Ittu to Barentu Oromo to Hadiya to Irem to Kush.


Hiil and his purported ancestry (Hiil Waalid Looxan Xaashi Cabdiraxmaan Axmed Xubli Mahdi Muusa Caqiil Abitaleb) has been oral tradition for hundreds of years. I bet if I showed you an earlier author's recording the tradition you'd tell me he invented it too.

The thing is, this tradition seems to merge a real lineage (Hiil Waalid Looxan Xaashi) and then attaches it to an (incorrect) Jeberti lineage (Cabdiraxmaan Axmed Xubli Mahdi Muusa Caqiil Abitaleb).

Darood's lineage:
Abd al-Rahman Isma'il Ibrahim Abd al-Rahman (In Hiil's genealogy, Xaashi's father) Muhammed (Missing) Abd al-Samad (Missing) Hanbal (Xubli? Mangled) Mahdi Ahmed (Wrong place) Abd Allah (Missing) Muhammed (often incorrect Darood lineages go to Muusa son of 'Aqil) 'Aqil

The muslim Oromo do recite ancestry and try to Arabtaze Lineage just Somalis. But, the Pagen Oromos in kenya stop the ancestry (Oromo).

I heard the Oral stories about Hiil, the one about Somali and the one about irir. Identical stuff. two brother get separated.

My favourate is the one about Oromo and Somali (MAkuu Somali Habaarayo Oromo).

I agree clans do manipulate trees and do Arabtaze names, but, this whole Arab ancestry is bloody fiction! Baseless crap!

[abdi ilyas]

Jesteye, dont lesson anything that james daln writes this paid author. 2 make japertis nasabs. the nonsense that voltage post is indeed made by james dalh. who says he is white canadian

here is dalhs latest attempts to make japertis nasabs take a look at his webside http://abtirsi.com/

a mean have they not learned yet?? siad barre try 2 make them 4 last 21 years japertis Somalis by claiming dir. and he failed.

[sadeboi]

Jeesteye you mudulood right?

To simply put it, the Isaqs geneology does not surpass 25 generation, and they "came to Somalia" after Darood, the common Darood genealogy is from 27-31 names.

How does the typical hawiye abtiris go? We all know Hawiye had descendants when Darood came to Somalia, so your abtiris must be much more then us. Lakiin no Hawiye counts more then 14 generation to Hawiye Why is that?

Abgaal Cismaan Darandoole Mudulood Hiraab Muhamoud Gorgarte Hawiye....

I helped you out..now how many names generation is there between you and your supposed forefather abgaal??

I know my exact lineage all the way to Darood Ismaciil, your is non-existent!

[Voltage]

Captain we only bring Academic proof and do not dwell on baseless hatred.

According to this objective European source, even hundred years ago the Hawiye were not considered Somali and were looked upon as inferior.

You just shot yourself in the shoot again. Where is the Academic merit here - author? Book? Journal? What You dumbass fall to get is - the author claims marehan is Issa. and you hopelessly trying to convince us - the word means sabe...

Post Academic papers written by anthropologist.

Here is the source

Jubaland and Its Inhabitants
* F. Elliott
* The Geographical Journal, Vol. 41, No. 6 (Jun., 1913), pp. 554-561
* Published by: Blackwell Publishing on behalf of The Royal Geographical Society (with the Institute of British Geographers)

As the explorer observed Somali people, he wrote that objective analysis.

[sadeboi]

Where are they? They've been here no long ago!

[Jesteye]

Jesteye, dont lesson anything that james daln writes this paid author. 2 make japertis nasabs. the nonsense that voltage post is indeed made by james dalh. who says he is white canadian

here is dalhs latest attempts to make japertis nasabs take a look at his webside http://abtirsi.com/

a mean have they not learned yet?? siad barre try 2 make them 4 last 21 years japertis Somalis by claiming dir. and he failed.

James dahl is a white Canadian? Reading the name - I assumed he was a white. Or maybe a fan of someone named james dahl. Thanks for the info. And, please don't post your lineage in the website. If the man manages to collects all the Somali lineages. The man will have valuable information worth thousands of Dollars to western Anthropologist, Agencies and Organisations.

I warn you Qaxootis - In particular - this marehan fool using the user-name Voltage.

[Jesteye]

Captain we only bring Academic proof and do not dwell on baseless hatred.

According to this objective European source, even hundred years ago the Hawiye were not considered Somali and were looked upon as inferior.

You just shot yourself in the shoot again. Where is the Academic merit here - author? Book? Journal? What You dumbass fall to get is - the author claims marehan is Issa. and you hopelessly trying to convince us - the word means sabe...

Post Academic papers written by anthropologist.

Here is the source

Jubaland and Its Inhabitants
* F. Elliott
* The Geographical Journal, Vol. 41, No. 6 (Jun., 1913), pp. 554-561
* Published by: Blackwell Publishing on behalf of The Royal Geographical Society (with the Institute of British Geographers)

As the explorer observed Somali people, he wrote that objective analysis.

This is your ref? Geographical Journal? I'll check and see.


The article you re -posted contradicts - and suggests marehan is part of Issa. And the reference showcases the merit of the article. Bring some anthropological articles! I'm hoping you know the differences between anthropological and Geographical Journals.


Here's quote from british explorer Richard Burton book; First footsteps in East Africa.

"The Hawiyah are doubtless of ancient and pagan origin; they call all Somal except themselves Hashiyah, and thus claim to be equivalent to the rest of the nation."


Using your logic - I can argue and say 1885 Hawiye considered non-hawiyes to be Inferiors.

[James Dahl]

Jesteye, dont lesson anything that james daln writes this paid author. 2 make japertis nasabs. the nonsense that voltage post is indeed made by james dalh. who says he is white canadian

here is dalhs latest attempts to make japertis nasabs take a look at his webside http://abtirsi.com/

a mean have they not learned yet?? siad barre try 2 make them 4 last 21 years japertis Somalis by claiming dir. and he failed.

I've never understood a thing you say man, though I assume it was not complimentary.