Game Over..Congrats Mr. President

[sadeboi]

The question should be why does an Ethiopian such as The-Patriot care about Somali Politics.

An Ethiopian is anyone who is born or obtains citizenship in the territorial land composing of Ethiopia.

A Somali is an who belongs to the ethnic Somali group.

Ethnicity transcends beyond territorial land. Somali politics is his politics because HE IS SOMALI!


VOTE OBAME PEOPLE!

[Shirib]

The question should be why does an Ethiopian such as The-Patriot care about Somali Politics.

Patriot is reer Wamo 8)

[King-of-Awdal]

The question should be why does an Ethiopian such as The-Patriot care about Somali Politics.

Patriot is reer Wamo 8)

If he is allowed than i should be too than. 8)

[Shirib]

The question should be why does an Ethiopian such as The-Patriot care about Somali Politics.

Patriot is reer Wamo 8)

If he is allowed than i should be too than. 8)

Wamo is Jubbada Hoose, Somalia.

So Patriot is the Ogaden from Somalia not Ethiopia, you on the under hand is Zamaroon from Djibouti not Samaroon from Somalia

[American-Suufi]

The question should be why does an Ethiopian such as The-Patriot care about Somali Politics.

Patriot is reer Wamo 8)

If he is allowed than i should be too than. 8)

king dont listen 2 shirib. since he read geledi empire on somalinet he still thinks he is the somali geledi emperor and tries to judge who is somali and who is not. the-patriot, new york and korronto r ogadens, like ur first loyalty is to somaliland, theirs is to onlf and ogadenia. they discuss rubbish and sell it as somalia's interest here. if they discuss somali politics, so can u. everyone can.

[The_Patriot]

Musika man the same can be applied to you as i guess your 1st loyality will be in Sanca or Oman. What interest is it to Somalia?

what you need to do is to go back to your land and let Somalis discuss their plight.

[Voltage]

SOmali_Weyn thanks for proofing once again the only reason you support SHeikh Sharif is Abgaal.

[Voltage]

He subsquently surrendered Himself to Kenyan authorities, and now He has joined the hyenna and dhiig cabayaal Government. Now after hundreds of thousands of people have suffered, this fool didn't experience a day of rafaad in His life, and people have suffered tremendously as a result.

Bull's eye.

But he is already completely irrelevant.

The resistance is the resistance and he has nothing to do with it and he knows it.

[American-Suufi]

what a miracle. Murax has abandoned his salafi jadid ideology for the sake of sade unity. he is alshabab now.

[Voltage]

Sade-phobia again.

So Al Shabaab=Sade right?

You know what, don't even respond.

[Kolombo]

Indhacade said yesterday Sheikh Shariif has joined the oppressors, Sheikh Dahir Aweys called him a renegade who represents no one, and Abu Mansuur said he has nothing to do with our resistance movement.

Indhacade is a loud mouth who needs to keep silent. Now is not the time for finger pointing & accusations. Sh. Daahir Aweys is hardcore al-itihaad who does not believe in negotiations, like Al-shabaab, he wants the ousting of the Ethiopians through brutal force. But, at what cost? A few thousand fighters will not make much of a difference when its the Americans that are running things.

Everything that the Ethiopians, Ugandans do are orders that come from the Americans. Every telephone conversation between ICU officials, every movement, everything is constantly being monitored. The war is not between starved Ethiopian troops & the ICU, its between a coalition of Western nations headed by the U.S. and the ICU. This is about the total elimination of political Islam in the horn. Nobody gives a shit about Somalia or the Mbagathi warlords.

Sh. Shariif knows how the real world works, he met with U.S. officials who made it clear to him that if they did not concede, they will be bombed and never have a chance at survival. The Americans realize the incompetence of the Mbagathi warlords and know without the backing of Maxaakiimta, the threat of political groups like Al-shabaab will never disappear. They made concessions of their own and made many pledges to Sh. Shariif including the removal of Daahir Aweys off their terrorist list along with many other ICU officials. They also promised that Maxaakiimta can keep their weapons and will be made part of a coalition government.

He's a practical man and knows the importance of international politics. Isolation and warrior mentality does not work. Its time to try a new strategy even if it means joining forces and once the Ethiopians are out, then the ICU can re-establish its full authority.

From Jowhar to Beledweyne, Marka to Kismaayo, Diinsoor to Xudur, the Maxaakiim are in control. Al-shabaab even have a few Shari'ah courts in Xamar right under the noses of the Ethiopians. The Americans see this and know their strategies have failed. Like in Afghanistan, they're willing to re-negotitate and make peace with the devil sort of to speak.

[Voltage]

Kolombo, bro you have a lot of claims and I would have to ask how you came to making those claims or alluding to the things you say such as "what" Sheikh SHarif was told, "what" the Americans "know" and what the West is willing to "do".

As for as I can remember, it was less then a week after the Ethiopian invasion that SHeikh SHarif was being transported in American military helicopters and guarded in the best hotel in Nairobi while the country burned. He then left them only to succumb back to them while the country was still burning.

As for as I am concerned, if the West want to negotiate or wants to give concessions to the resistance it is BECAUSE of people like Muktaar and Hassan TUrki. It is their willingness and tenacity to foil the Ethiopian dream in SOmalia that even makes negotiations possible. Not Sheikh Shariif. If all were like him, we would be under an All powerful Ethiopian viceroy this second. WHo is he to speak for something he did not contribute to?

I think you need to reevaluate your position.

[Kolombo]

Voltage,

Its easy to judge people's actions, but there's always more to things than meets the eye. From what I know and according to Sh. Shariif's own memo, his own life and the very existence of the ICU was threatened by the Americans. Like any of us, he decided to concede and chose the easy way out.

Let's examine his personal biography, he has never demonstrated to be a greedy person nor a traitor, a warlord nor a spy. He came from humble beginings and spent years as a Qur'an teacher while many of his peers did dishonorable things. As the head of the ICU, he was a prime example of high morals & exhibited great leadership skills.

To accuse the Sheikh of being a greedy person is an inaccurate statement. Sh. Shariif spent months in the wilderness of Ras Kamboni, whereby he suffered witnessed the deaths of many of his comrades & close friends, many threats have been made on his own life & that of his wife and children too. You should read his memo that was written after leaving Kenya in early 2007.

Let's give him a chance to prove himself, he's got a long way to go, let's see what he does.

[makumba59]

[quote="The_Patriot"]This should not be equated to me being against Abgaal.

Sheikh Sharif rose ranks and became part of the Supreme leadership of the ICU.

I consider his political view of thinking as a Teenager or immature due to the following reasons.

When he was among the top leaders of the ICU in 2006, he had every opportunity to accept or form a coalition with the TFG.
However he turned down the option and took the option of declaring Jihad on the Ethiopians & TFG Alliance never thinking of the repurcursions of war.

We well know dagaal wiil kumadasho lakin uu kudinta. How would you beat your cheast and threaten the Ethiopian army ? He was firmly for the war and even the Sudan peace treaty he hardly made any concessions. His stance was Ethio pian Army to leave or face a full out war.

When the war started Sharif saw the light and just like a teeneger who overestimated his strengh saw that he was only punching an impregnebale wall. He then was forced to leave Mogadishu and went to Kismayu. When he left Mogadishu he said it was a tacticle withdrawal and that he was going to save the lives of the people in Mogadishu but when he went to Kismayu he said that he will wage a war against the occupational force inside the city??????Was he being a Tribalist? I will leave you to guess.

When things became abit hotter he relocated to the jungle of Juba, there is the turning mark of his thinking just like the teenager. How could he survive being called a wanted man at the same time leave in a jungle which was infested with bugs & mosquitoes, snakes and no clean water nor luxurious comforts.

He made the U turn and adopted the Gandi form of resistance to occupation.He then went to the Kenyan border where a helicopter was immediatly dispatched to him.

It was then that he found what he had been missing , hot shower, well cooked food ,red carpet, and the media attention. He saw his dreams comming back to life. He then went to Asmera.In Asmera he found out that they had nothing more than sending him back to the Jungle where he would have to face the menace of swamming mosquitoes or the howling of hyenas,roaring of lions etc.

He then took a major step of going to Djibouti and trying another initiative of reconciling with the TFG. You will ask yourself does it take one two years to reason? He had made a fatal mistake while people had died in thousands while a close to million were displaced.
This is a gross mistake that only an accused person was either supposed to honorably leave politics.

But this is the same guy that people are trying to convince us that he will bring peace. What kind of Peace?

I will leave the readers to decide this.[/quote]



Why couldnt you have just said ...because am Ogaden and due to my indecisive nature and innate tendencies to be always confused about the simplest things in life, leaves me no choice but to oppose him.

Instead of all that ranting above.

[Voltage]

No one knows SHeikh SHariif better then his peers and they all seem to speak against you. If you remember I went to Africa this summer, everywhere I stopped whether in maqaayad or masjid, SHeikh SHarif was denounced. No one had ever seen a Sheikh scream "jihad firdul cayn" and the next day is transported like a dignitary on foreign military planes.

I will stick to my opinion.