Did Dhulbahante Sacrafice Too Much For Sayyidka?

[Mataan_Ciideed]

let me clarify something for iidoor kids. nobody is saying that the daraawiish were an exclusive dhulbahante army, but that dhulbahante was the overwhelming majority. it's almost impossible for a very large somali army to be exclusive to one clan. take the snm for example. that rebel movement was definitely an isaaq one, but believe it or not, there were couple of hundred dhulbahante militiamen in the snm, and even more gadabuursi. there were several dhulbahante and gadabuursi snm commanders, like the naaleeye axmad afqarshe ( who riyaale tried to make the garaad of naaleeye axmad ) and the kulmiye gadabuursi guy aw muuse. also, the second in command of the snm for 8 years was a muruursade hawiye man. so, using the same flawed logic, is it right to say that the snm was a diverse rebel group made up of several different tribes?!. u see what am getting at ilma xabashi and qamaadi?

guryasame

it's good that u've deleted that comment ( or maybe somebody deleted it ), i was planning inaan cyber DECAPITATION kugu sameeyo!!!!!.

and about sheekh bashiir and that little wikipedia page you've created. well am not one to playa hate on mujaahids like some of your kinsmen do. but sheekh bashiir didn't start a campaign against the british even a short lived one. the good sheekh was preaching jihaad against the british, when he was ratted out by his close kinsmen. the british preemptively attacked the good sheekh and killed him, and hanged his body in burco for days as a warning to any future "mad mullah" wanna bes.

[GENERAL_SNM]

Lets leave the SNM argument aside and concentrate on the facts. I have provided you prove that the mad mullahs two most trusted and able companions were as shown a Habar Jeclo and a Habar Yonis. You on the other hand were the foot soldiers. The man Himself was not even Dhulbahnte...WTF.

[guryasame]

mataan cideed:

What was erased, that made u so mad?

Dude comparing snm and the dervish movement is like comparing apples and oranges. One was resistence to colonialism the other to was a fight against the dream of somaliweyn turned into a tribal dictatorship nightmare...inother words one was foreigners vs Somalis, it had no real tribal nature at all, The other was Somalis vs Somalis, essentially one clan hijacking the state and the other resisting tribal hegemony.

Second, The official reports send back to policy makers states the fact that the darwish was infact a hj product, the organization, the weapons, finances was all hj,even the link with the Salihiyya Saint was indirect and later cut-off at will by HJ when thinks went sour. The footsoldiers of the movement included everyone in the region and they joined voluntarily except the dhulbahante which the dervishes dethroned the tradition leadership and established themselves, the real dhulbahante leadership essentially exiled like their foremost poet dhuux and their garaad. To sugguest the dervish movement was dhulbahante is a lie, this fanatical claims are often not resisted by other clans because the dervishes were eventually discredited in the mind of most of the clans by no less then the sheikh of Salixiya who officially disowned ina cabdulle xassan. Here is the simple fact the dervish movement which was essentially an armed tariqa(ussually very diverse in its membershio)was a pan-somali movement in which clans like HJ in particular and dhulbahante later by circumstances not fully under their control came to play a major roles...trying to discredit the vast and voluntarily contribution of Somalis of all spectrum is shameless dhulbahante propaganda, the dervishes can not even be called somaliland movement although much of the fight was against the british it sought and recieved support from deep south in Eelay territory., one of the reasons sheikh aweys was assassinated is his influence as a qadariya leader in the region, which the dervish movement pseudo-salixiya foolishly considered as a rival for membership.

lastly, regarding sheikh bashir if u have other facts bring it on, sheekh bashir did start a campaign of arm resistence...but more importantly he died as a shaheed not while taking a dump in iimey. Sheekh Bashir unfortunately came along when the people were utterly exqhuasted, and the western fitna had already weakened the society morally and physically, "xaraame cune" period 1/3 of the male population were lost and during this period the moral fabric of the society was also torn to shreds, it became legal to loot your neighbour, strength of clan came to be established as the national currency...this damage was done by both the western intrusion into the region as well as the wrongful aniontment of ina cabdille xassan as a wali...when there were real awliya who could lead and guide resistence while maintaining a healthy society interms of its faith, culture etc.,

So add ur two cents if u wish, i thing reducing everything to false tribal denominators is a cancer affecting somali society...that is why a marexan kid things he is the guardian of a Somaliweyn dream and views somaliland as a secessionist enemy of that dream , when his little clan and the larger darod clan which they mobilized destroyed that dream and Somaliland who sacrificed its sovereignty for it, simple re-asserted its sovereignty in the face of hopeless disappointment

[Burao_Media]

Lets leave the SNM argument aside and concentrate on the facts. I have provided you prove that the mad mullahs two most trusted and able companions were as shown a Habar Jeclo and a Habar Yonis. You on the other hand were the foot soldiers. The man Himself was not even Dhulbahnte...WTF.

why brother arguing with Matan aka Cilimile he is middle-aged man who think he needs to lie about history to compenstate for the lack of social interaction

Did you see that blog of Somali history He made Isamail Footoweyne Mire like some saint, walahye I was laughing for day

[Babygirl-]

GeneralSNM If the Isaaqs were the top Dervishes why didn't they protect their kin from destruction by the Dhulbahante ..

[peace-]

this thread is becoming pointless and it is lacking any substance. There is no point discussing the dervishes history with these idiots. Tarrikhda darwiista canot be debate or denied b/c most of the books written about somali history are about them, so if u want learn about it go visit your local library instead of polluting this thread with unsubstanciated garbage.

[GENERAL_SNM]

GeneralSNM If the Isaaqs were the top Dervishes why didn't they protect their kin from destruction by the Dhulbahante ..

I think those who lost the most were Dhulbanhte. He did the most damage to those dhulbahntes that decided gainst helping him. Shit I'm sure he made a few large Dhulbanhte qabils langaabs. The same cant be said of HJ or HY sure he raided a few settlements but he never had the kind of effect he had against the Dhulbahnte.

[CoolPoisons]

shiid's funny. IIdor want to claim Darwish history

90% of Somali history's Darod history

[snoop12]

shiid's funny. IIdor want to claim Darwish history

90% of Somali history's Darod history

true that

MR 5 stars

OG 5 stars

Dulbahante 5 stars

MJ 2 stars for enslaving the hutus

[MrPrestige]

shiid's funny. IIdor want to claim Darwish history

90% of Somali history's Darod history

true that

MR 5 stars

OG 5 stars

Dulbahante 5 stars

MJ 2 stars for enslaving the hutus

are you advocating the return of M.O.D

[peace-]

shiid's funny. IIdor want to claim Darwish history

90% of Somali history's Darod history

true that

MR 5 stars

OG 5 stars

Dulbahante 5 stars

MJ 2 stars for enslaving the hutus

loooool @ mj

[new-york24]

sometimes i am shocked when i come across a thread where a dhabcayuun is talking back to dhuloos and claiming history that never was.

history tells of dhulbhante men who used to ride their horses in the nude out of shere confidence and to disrespect their idoor enemy.

[Babygirl-]

Afka bari ishaa bogox intii arar Nugaaleeda Illiilaha banaan iyo intii edegga ciideeda Axad kagama sii hadhin wixii uduba oo yiile Hawdkii ugbaadsadaye..

by Sayid M. A. Xassan..

[The_Emperior5]

GeneralSNM If the Isaaqs were the top Dervishes why didn't they protect their kin from destruction by the Dhulbahante ..

The last battle was 1921 when 5000 Isaaq led by Xaji Waraabe raided Qoraxay and killed most of the Dervish wounding the Mullah under his armbit , he survived and moved to Iimiy with few of his closest relative where he married a 13 year old who still survives till now in Hiiraan, few months later he died of his wounds. She was interviwed in 2002.

and when the died in immeey xaaji waraabe said faqa yanay jebertyintu caabuudiin qabrigiisa.

[Burao_Media]

GeneralSNM If the Isaaqs were the top Dervishes why didn't they protect their kin from destruction by the Dhulbahante ..

The last battle was 1921 when 5000 Isaaq led by Xaji Waraabe raided Qoraxay and killed most of the Dervish wounding the Mullah under his armbit , he survived and moved to Iimiy with few of his closest relative where he married a 13 year old who still survives till now in Hiiraan, few months later he died of his wounds. She was interviwed in 2002.

and when the died in immeey xaaji waraabe said faqa yanay jebertyintu caabuudiin qabrigiisa.

Idiot stop claiming Garaxjis and Habar Yoonis warriors. Haji Warsami Buralle is my grandfather. he is Habar Yoonis sibaa Reer Sugulle he lead an army of Habar Yoonis hoursemen and Ciidgale that had annilated teh Dervish that day. The HY took 60,000 in booty in Camel. The HY had Reer Hagar and Cali Geri carry are water. the HY army called them water boys. After the annilahtion we told the Reer Hagar and Cali Geri and the Axmed garad we wil spilt the share in Burco. When we got to Burco we told them to get lost. Still today some Dhulabnte asks the HY for their Share.

Your unsi and foox Habar Awal or any other Issaq involed so get lost with your Isaaq 5000 army.

It was a Habar Yoonis and Ciidagle army of 5000 men.

Stop claiming us lan-gaab Habar Awal boy