The dark side of Sayyid Abdullah Hassan

[abdikarim86]

dont know much about the guy
laakin i believe he is very unpopular among most somalis

[Somaliman50]

Mohammed Abdullah Hassan. (Maxamed Cabdulle Xasan, Sayyid), born in the north of the Somali peninsula, was a religious, nationalist and controversial leader. Known to the British as the "Mad Mullah", he spent 20 years leading armed resistance to the British, Italian, and Ethiopian forces in Somalia. Born into the Ogaden. sub-clan of the Darod, he belonged to the Salihiyah. sect.
Between 1900 and 1907, the Italian leaders tried several times to negotiate a land deal with the Geledi. Sultan based in ASfgoye and his Biyo-maal and Digil warriors. In 1905 more than 1,000 Biyo-maal and Tunni warriors, along with a large number of Italians, were killed when the Italian army attacked in an attempt to gain their objectives. Though many Somali warriors were killed during the war, they still defeated the enemy and succeeded in protecting the Benadir coast. After a long and bloody battle, the Italian leaders allied with other Somali tribes and their combined strength finally destroyed the Sultan's forces.
Sheikh. Uways al-Barawi. of the Tunni. sub-clan of the (Digil and Mirifle) in Barawa, lived at the same time as Hassan and led the Qadiriyyah. sect. He resisted the Italian occupation in a non-violent. method. He was murdered in Biyoley, in today's Bakool. region, by the Dervish. in 1920 as Hassan was seeking to recruit forces from Italian Somaliland. This was after the British used aircraft to destroy Hassan's base in Taleex. Sheikh Aweys rejected violence and Hassan's ways were based on violent resistance.
As a result of Hassan and his followers being chased by the followers of Sheikh al-Barawi, Hassan had to escape through the thick forest along the Jubba River. until he reached Imi, Ethiopia, where he died of influenza, and, reportedly, wounds inflicted on him during his escape.To this day the annual pilgrimage to Sheikh al-Barawi's grave in Biyoley is held where people of the Qadiriyyah sect and admirers of al-Barawi attend.
Sheikh Hassan Barsane. of the Gugundhabe, a sub-clan of the Hawiye, and a member of the Ahmadi, was another Somali religious leader who resisted the Italian rule in a non-violent manner. He, like al-Barawi, rejected Hassan's approaches.
In March 1924, Sheikh Hassan Barsane, a leader of the Shabelle valley movement known as the Barsane Revolt, convoked a Shir (meeting of elders) where the participants, inflamed with millenarian zeal, denounced the Governor’s order. On behalf of the Shir, Barsane wrote the following to the Governor:
In the name of Allah, most gracious, most merciful ... I have received your letter and understood its contents, but must advise that we cannot obey your orders and join with you in a covenant . . . Your government has its laws, and we have ours. We accept no law other than ours. Our law is the law of Allah and his Prophet . . . We are not like other people, none of us has ever enrolled in the Zaptie (colonial forces), never! ... and if you come to our land to fight against us, we will fight you with all possible means ... The world is very close to its end, only. We don’t want to stay in this world. It is better to die while defending our laws.

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diyeeshaha, bal kawaran taariikhdaas oo kale lama sheego oo waa la qariyaa ee waxaa la buunbuuniyaa nimankaan dooroda ahaa ee talyaani kala qeybi iyo xukun ku sameeye

[sheekh-Farax-zero]

dont know much about the guy
laakin i believe he is very unpopular among most somalis

he is unpopular to brit lovers

[Niya]

The book edited by Ali Jimale with contributions from disgruntled minority authors makes a good case study for politically motivated historical revisionism.

[Shirib]

abakar,

At the end of the day I think of the Sayyid as a hero. Yes a lot of his tactics were questionable but it boils down to him fighting for his people against colonialists

[Voltage]

Grant are you a Sufi?.

Probably closer than anything else. I am not a formal anything.

Grant you should study more. A little bit and you would not hesitate to take the Shahada.

[Somaliman50]

its funny u guys critisize ayrow, aweis, roobow etc and call them qabyaaliste but have they stolen camels like the sayyid? did they raid clans? were their deen denounced by scholars? did they compose qabil incited poems? didnt they call to islam and fight the enemy? yet you call them terorists. all of a sudden, the sayyid, who is a faqash, is a mahdi?!

That is the thing and Shirib and everyone here is my witness. I have not called Cayrow, Roobow, etc qabyaaliste even one point even when my clan and Al Shabaab were fighting. I never called them qabyaaliste and I continuously said hate it or love it but those men are men of principle. THis is your problem, your small-minded narrow world view is directed by US VS. THEM. Your clan vs. Darood.

You talking to me as Voltage, an individual, but you are really addressing Darood a clan. First you need to look at how much inferiority complex you carry which is even preventing you from addressing me as individual.

Secondly, both groups, the Sayid and this modern group are fighting on principle. You don't have to agree with them or even one of them but both are fighting on principle and for you to praise one group and denounce the Sayid says more about you and your hypocrisy then it could say about anything or anyone else.

yaa kaa daran ninyahow, dont you remember on that baydhabo section about rra and usc, you said ''hawiye ma caqli xumaa'' or somewhere along those lines, you target the clan when you notice a flaw, but i target you as an individual when i adress you. anyway my point has been said, the sayyid is a controversial figure and it will be left at that, no biased view will be taken into account, especially his clan views.

[Voltage]

diyeeshaha, bal kawaran taariikhdaas oo kale lama sheego oo waa la qariyaa ee waxaa la buunbuuniyaa nimankaan dooroda ahaa ee talyaani kala qeybi iyo xukun ku sameeye

What taariikh? He took a ridiculous article from "Barawepost" written by a "Mahad Aaloow".

http://www.baraawepost.com/understanding.htm

I'm out, my discussion was with Grant not a bunch of illiterate clannists.

[Voltage]

abakar,

At the end of the day I think of the Sayyid as a hero. Yes a lot of his tactics were questionable but it boils down to him fighting for his people against colonialists

And that is the main crux of the matter.

Abakar, the clan-baiter, take note.

[Grant]

Grant spent a month in Somalia in '66 and thinks he knows the whole history.

Grant knew didly squat when he was in Somalia and he came away depressed and confused. That is why he has been here since 2005, reading whatever decent links and books happen to appear. You are plenty welcome to catch up.

[Diyeeshaha_Tolka]

lol taariikhda saxda ah waxa laga helaa Gedonet

[Voltage]

The book edited by Ali Jimale with contributions from disgruntled minority authors makes a good case study for politically motivated historical revisionism.

Summed up in one sentence.

Horta except for Grant who has a bone to pick with the Sayid, I see a big correlation between how educated you are and how pro-Sayid you are in this topic and how uneducated you are and how anti-Sayid you are.

Does anyone else see this correlation?

[Somaliman50]

abakar,

At the end of the day I think of the Sayyid as a hero. Yes a lot of his tactics were questionable but it boils down to him fighting for his people against colonialists

And that is the main crux of the matter.

Abakar, the clan-baiter, take note.

shirib's views are reasonable, thats why he is taken seriously, but you as the clown of snet cannot be taken seriously. huuraale and his ciyaal koolo militia are your inspirations.

[Voltage]

lol taariikhda saxda ah waxa laga helaa Gedonet

This is an intellectual discussion. People who did not finish middle school will of course find themselves lost in the middle.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

dont know much about the guy
laakin i believe he is very unpopular among most somalis

Very unpopular amongst non-faqash somalis indeed,
Only faqash believe that he was saint who never stole camels,killed innocents and hated other clans.