graveness of the sin of homosexuality and its punishments

[The Nomad]

CrazyCat is more in line with the truth than Nomad when it comes to Islam and Arab Ethnicity. Nomad makes/turned Allah's universal religion into a clan religion.

Arab is a clan?

I'm not wrong. Hadith support me, what supports you? Your worthless opinion?

Why not bring the Hadith and Authentications for it? The only worthless opinion I see here is yours making Allah's religion intended for all mankind a religion of Arabs. Bring your Evidence and your Authentic sources or else you are Liar falsifying about Allah's religion.

Yes, I've found it:

al-Khalwati al-hanafi in Tafseer Ruh al-Ma'ani states:

روي ـ سهل بن سعد الساعدي رضي الله عنه أن النبي عليه السلام قال : رأيتني أسقي غنماً سوداً ثم أتبعتها غنماً عفراً أولها يا أبا بكر فقال : يا نبي الله أما السود فالعرب وأا العفر فالعجم تتبعك بعد العرب فقال عليه السلام : كذلك أولها الملك يعني جبرائيل عليه السلام يقال شاة عفراء يعلو بياضها حمرة ويجمع على عفر مثل سوداء وسود وقيل لما يلحقوا بهم في الفضل والمسابقة لأن التابعين لا يدركون شيئاً مع الصاحبة وكذلك العجم مع العرب ومن شرائط الدين معرفة فضل العرب على العجم وحبهم ورعاية حقوقهم

From the conditions of religion is to recognize the merits of the Arabs over non-Arabs, to love them and to respect their rights.

al-Trimidhi included a chapter in his sunan the virtues of the Arabs, as did Ibn Abi Shayba and many other huffadh and imams.


al-Bayhaqi says in Shu'ab al-Iman:

و الأحاديث في فضل العرب ثم فضل قريش كثيرة لا يحتمل هذا الموضوع إيراد جميعها و الذي هب إليه بعض الناس في تفضيل العجم على العرب خلاف ما مضى عليه صدر هذه الأمة و الذي روي في ذلك من الأحاديث أكثره باطل لا ينبغي لأهل العلم أن يشتغل بمذهبه و مما روي من بعد أن بعث الله أهل رسله من العرب و أنزل آخر كتب بلسان العرب فصار على الناس فرضا أن يتعلموا لسان العرب و إن كان ذلك من فروض الكفاية ليعقلوا عن الله عز و جل أمره و نهيه و وعده و وعيده و يفهموا عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم بيانه و تبليغه و حكم بأن الأئمة من قريش إلى سائر ما فضلهم به
و قد ذكر الحليمي رحمه الله في ذلك فصلا طويلا من أراده نظر فيه بتوفيق الله

He says that the ahadeeth regarding the virtues of Arabs over non-Arabs are MANY, and the opposing others espouse goes against the early generation of the Ummah. They base their views on ahadeeth that are completely false and no one should rely to their opinions...

Read this thread: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=221950&p=2551829&s ... 2#p2551829

[The Nomad]

And yes, Al-Haqq was me until I was unceremoniously banned

[Kinetic]

Nomad, That is not Hadith, that is a twisted man's opinion and clanish views which no muslim buys into except hypocrites and people obsessed with Asabiyah like you, the ones the prophet peace be upon him called "jaahilyah". As I asked, bring Hadiths that are Authentic. Even bring one from Tirmithi and the Hadith's Asnad/Narrators. You are spreading l;ies about Allah's religion, you and the Khuraafi man you quoted. There is no superiority in islam based on ethnicity and clan lineage, there is superiority based on deeds. Stop lying about Allah and his messenger, Islam is no Arab religion and what you quoted as Hadith is not Hadith, it is some twisted man's views on his clan. You are going against Allah's teachings in the Quran and the prophet's sayings when you spread virus like these. I am giving you the chance to refrainb efore I condemn you.

[abdisamad3]

that is true! as sad as it may seem is the truth that people will bash him no matter what, for he's own sake wish never told anyone about it!

are you trying to defend nin khaniis ah? dont you know about qowmu luud they where destroyed for khaniisnimo and nabi luuds own wife was destroyed with them for not condemning khaniisiinta..ilaahey haku soo hanuuniyo..wax kale aan ku dhaho ma aqaani..

im not defending anyone, but im just wondering why tell us what he is? why!? he knows inaan somali nahay, muslim nahay, so why tell us wuxuu yahay? people will react the way they reacting because thats the way it is! telling muslim somalis that inaad khaniis tahay is like asking for trouble. unless he wants trouble muu iska aamuso bal. anyway wixii wuusameyaa, muslimnimana wuusheeganayaa, so we have to say ilaahay hakusoo hanuuniyo, but WHY TELL US!! thats what i dont get! [/quote]
maybe he is looking for trouble..wuxuu rabaa soonka inuu dadka danbaajiyo..waa nacalad..anyway you cant be muslim and claim to be a khaniis...its like eating khansiir and drinki qamri and go church every sunday and claim your muslim it doesnt make any sense..

[The Nomad]

Nomad, That is not Hadith, that is a twisted man's opinion and clanish views which no muslim buys into except hypocrites and people obsessed with Asabiyah like you, the ones the prophet peace be upon him called "jaahilyah". As I asked, bring Hadiths that are Authentic. Even bring one from Tirmithi and the Hadith's Asnad/Narrators. You are spreading l;ies about Allah's religion, you and the Khuraafi man you quoted. There is no superiority in islam based on ethnicity and clan lineage, there is superiority based on deeds. Stop lying about Allah and his messenger, Islam is no Arab religion and what you quoted as Hadith is not Hadith, it is some twisted man's views on his clan. You are going against Allah's teachings in the Quran and the prophet's sayings when you spread virus like these. I am giving you the chance to refrainb efore I condemn you.

Your condemnation is about as substantial as your worthless opinions.

The Hadith are in the thread: 11) He also cites the hadeeth that Allah chose Kanana from the children of Ismail, then Quraysh from Kanana, then Banu Hashim from Quraysh, and the Prophet SAW from Banu Hashim. This shows that the children of Ismail are better than the children of Ishaq. It is also known that the children of Ishaq, i.e. children of Israel are the most noble of non-Arab nations, so when it is proven that Banu Isma'il are better than Banu Ishaq, who are the best of the non-Arabs, then it dictates that they are better than all non-Arabs.

More where that came from.

Where have I used the word superiority in this thread. Tadfil translated to NOBILITY. Not superiority.

[The Nomad]

Somalis are so racist they refuse to accept Arab nobility.

Astaghfirullah.

[michael_ital]

Lug

Why shouldn't he come back at Ramadan? Are you implying Allah doesn't love all his children? And who are we to say he's "not allowed" in the religion?

Shirib

It's irrelevant what I believe. It's a proven fact people don't choose their orientation.

[The Nomad]

Lug

Why shouldn't he come back at Ramadan? Are you implying Allah doesn't love all his children? And who are we to say he's "not allowed" in the religion?

Shirib

It's irrelevant what I believe. It's a proven fact people don't choose their orientation.

You are wrong. The research which originally led to that conclusion was hilariously flawed to suit the agenda of the researcher. Until recently, that study was quoted ad verbatim. It is not substantial and cannot be used as evidence.

Sexual orientation is not genetic.

[peace-]

Lug

Why shouldn't he come back at Ramadan? Are you implying Allah doesn't love all his children? And who are we to say he's "not allowed" in the religion?

Shirib

It's irrelevant what I believe. It's a proven fact people don't choose their orientation.

SO what are telling me little baby michael was predisposed to sucking his father's cock rather then his mothers tits!

[michael_ital]

I didn't say it was genetic, I said they are predisposed. Two entirely different things. SOME choose to engage in the lifestyle, but the majority don't. Just look at some lesbians, it's OBVIOUS there's a lil bit of a hormone imbalance going on no?

[The Nomad]

I didn't say it was genetic, I said they are predisposed. Two entirely different things. SOME choose to engage in the lifestyle, but the majority don't. Just look at some lesbians, it's OBVIOUS there's a lil bit of a hormone imbalance going on no?

How did you reach this conclusion? Which study are you citing?

They are not predisposed to homosexuality. All choose to engage in the lifestyle for various reasons..

[surrender]

Lug

Why shouldn't he come back at Ramadan? Are you implying Allah doesn't love all his children? And who are we to say he's "not allowed" in the religion?

Shirib

It's irrelevant what I believe. It's a proven fact people don't choose their orientation.

allah doesnt have children.

[The Gunners]

Michael you are way out of your depth here: Time to sign off.

[Kinetic]

Nomad, I am not interested in false Hadiths made up by men like you to sell their twisted clanish views, I am interested in a verse quoted from the Quran, or an Authentic Hadith. Allah says in Suratu Israa Ch. 17, Verse 70: ‘We have honoured the sons of Adam", no particular clan is mentioned but all humanity, in another verse Allah tells us the difference of Mankind in terms of language and colour of their skin is a sign of his greatness Almighty, not that any group among humans are superior to another group: "Surah Ar-Rum verse. 22, Allah says "And among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variations in your languages, and your colours: Verily in that are signs for those who know.’

In another verse which addressed the issue of who is valued in the sight of Allah, Allah Almighty says: "‘O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other (not that you may despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most Righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)."



You and the khuraafi men you quoted are full of lies. Take your fiction and lies somewhere they have value.



Prophet Molhamed pbuh in his last Sermon said among other things: " All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood."



That exposes your lies.

[michael_ital]

Dude, you ARE dumb, aren't you ? Better to keep your trap shut so as not to remove all doubt.