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Mr. Yungnfresh wrote:There's no basis for suicide bombing being xalaal in Islam. All Muslims unanimously agree that suicide on it's own is xaaraam. So how can it be xalaal by adding a bomb to it?

you're confusing suicide iyo sacrifice. people who sacrifice in the way of allah swt, especially with their lives>>>>>>>>>>>>the people who cling heavily to the earth and who think allah's deen isn't worth sacrificing for indeed allah swt will punish the latter group or anyone else who dies upon this branch of nifaq, i.e. the one who has never fought - or at least never tried sincerely to fight - in the way of allah swt.

If killing yourself in battle was such a lofty ideal, how come none of the Saxaaba (RA) did it or anything comparable to it? Wouldn't they be the most eager among us to do it if it really had any merit? Granted, bombs weren't available back then, but I've never heard of the Saxaaba (RA) actively contributing to their own death during battle or the Prophet SAW sanctioning it, or making any conditions to when suicide may or may not be acceptable. "Sacrificing" and other euphemisms don't apply sxb...we're told, in no uncertain terms, that the soul belongs to Allah SAW...it's not ours to 'sacrifice' in an act that He has Forbidden.

^^^ I don't agree with suicide bombings, but u gotta admit that the point is not suicide but to kill as many as the other guys, so the idea of saxaaba killin each other isn't really a good example

Yeah, but the point of suicide bombing is to kill as many of the other guys as possible KNOWING you'll die for sure. What I was saying was, there's no precedence for the Saxaaba (RA) killing the enemy while knowing they'll definitely die too...sure, there might have been times where they faced incredible odds and death was likely, but they fought until they died, not died as part of their fight. Had they been able to, they would have continued fighting until every last one of the enemies were dead, and remain alive themselves.

Mr. Yungnfresh wrote:Yeah, but the point of suicide bombing is to kill as many of the other guys as possible KNOWING you'll die for sure. What I was saying was, there's no precedence for the Saxaaba (RA) killing the enemy while knowing they'll definitely die too...sure, there might have been times where they faced incredible odds and death was likely, but they fought until they died, not died as part of their fight. Had they been able to, they would have continued fighting until every last one of the enemies were dead, and remain alive themselves.

Bro, actually there are quite many narrations about sahaba and taabiciin attacking overwhelming enemy by themselves to inflict casualties and install fear, knowing that they will die at the process.

Imam al Ghazali wrote: “There is no difference in opinion that an individual Muslim can attack the ranks of the nonbelievers and fight them alone, even if he knows that he would be killed. And just as it is allowed for him to fight the nonbelievers until he is killed, it is also allowed to do that in enjoining good and forbidding evil. But if he knows that his action wont harm the enemy, such as a blind or incapacitated man throwing himself into the enemy, that is prohibited. It is allowed for him to commit such an action when he realizes that he wont be killed until he himself kills, or he realizes that his action would weaken the hearts of the nonbelievers by them seeing his courage and thinking that the Muslims have no concern for life and that they love martyrdom in the sake of Allah. That would weaken them.”

And imam Nawawi said that there's ijmaac of scholars allowing this.

Here are some narrations about sahaaba and taabiciin:

Al Shafi’i said: One of al Ansar was late behind when the killing of the Sahabah next to the well of Ma’unah took place. By the time he arrived vultures were already devouring his companions. He told Amr bin Umayah: “I am going to go alone and face the enemy so they can kill me. I don’t want to be left behind when our companions were killed” He did and he was killed. When Amr bin Umayah (the only survivor of the incident) told the Messenger of Allah about what happened, the Messenger of Allah said good words about the man and then he told Amr bin Umayah: “And why didn’t you go ahead with him?” (Al Sunan al Kubra)

Mudrik bin Awf said: “I was with Umar when he received a messenger from al Numan bin Maqran. Umar asked him about the condition of the soldiers. The messenger kept on mentioning to Umar some of the well known people who died and then he said, “and others died whom I don’t know” Umar said, “But Allah knows them” The messenger said, “and men who sold themselves to Allah” Mudrak said, “Among those is my uncle, people claim he killed himself (by throwing himself into the enemy’s army)” Umar said: “Whoever claims that is a liar. He is of those who sold this world for the next” (al Mussanaf)

A battalion of nonbelievers came from the east and was met by a man from the Ansar. He charged against them alone and penetrated their ranks until he came out from the other side of the battalion. Then he charged them from the back and broke their ranks until he came out from the front. He repeated that two or three times. Saad bin Hisham mentioned that to Abu Hurairah. Abu Hurairah recited: “And of the people is he who sells himself, seeking means to the approval of Allah. And Allah is Kind to [His] servants.” (al Mussanaf)

Asslam Abi Imran said we were in an army heading from Madina heading towards Constantinople. The head of the army was Abdul Rahman bin Khalid bin al Waleed. The Romans had their backs facing the gates of the city. One among us rushed alone towards them. Some people said: “There is no God but Allah, he is throwing himself into destruction!” Abu Ayub al Ansari (a companion) said: “This verse was revealed speaking about us the Ansar. When Allah gave His Messenger victory and Islam prevailed, we said let’s go back to our businesses and take care of it. Allah then revealed the verse “And spend in the way of Allah and do not throw yourselves with your own hands into destruction. And do good; Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good” So throwing ourselves into destruction meant going back to our farms and businesses and leaving jihad”
Abu Imran said: Abu Ayub remained in jihad until he was buried in Constantinople.” (Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi, al Hakim)

Yazeed bin Abi Ubayd said: “I asked Salamah bin al Akwa: “What was your pledge to the Messenger of Allah on the day of Hudaybiah?” He said: “We pledged to die” (Bukhari, Muslim)

The Messenger of Allah said: “A time will come when the best among mankind would be a man holding on to the bridle his horse in the sake of Allah, whenever he hears a call to battle he mounts his horse and searches for death” (Abu Uwanah)

Thabit narrated that Ikrimah the son of Abu Jahl (who was a Muslim then) dismounted his horse in a battle. Khalid bin al Walid told him: “Don’t do that. Your death would be hard on Muslims” He replied: “O Khalid leave me alone! You became a Muslim with the Messenger of Allah while my father and myself were the worst in animosity against him” He fought on foot until he was killed. (Ibn al Mubarak, al Sunan al Kubra)

Ibn Masood narrated: The Messenger of Allah of Allah said: “Allah is amazed with two men. One of them is a man who woke up from his comfortable bed to pray, eager to receive the reward from Allah and fearing His punishment. The second man is one who went to fight in the path of Allah but his company turned their backs in the battlefield. He realized the punishment of turning one’s back in battle and the reward of being steadfast so he went back to fight in order to have his blood spilled. Allah would say: Look at this servant of mine. He went back to fight eager for what I will reward him and fearing my punishment until his blood was spilled.” (Ahmad, al Mussanaf, Tabarani)

Malik bin Dinar said: During the battle of the Zawiyah Abdullah bin Ghalib said: “I am seeing something I cannot holdback from! Lets go to Paradise!” He then broke the sheath of his sword and fought until he was killed. When he was buried, his grave would give off the smell of Musk. I went myself to his grave and picked up some of its dirt and smelled musk emanating from it! (al Bayhaqi)

Al Alaa bin al Hadhrami said: Bisr bin Arta’ah attacked the land of the Romans. But the rear of his army was constantly attacked and whenever he would prepare a trap for the attackers his soldiers would be attacked instead. Until he decided to stay behind with a hundred of his soldiers to figure out who was ambushing them. One day he went alone in one of the valleys and found thirty horses tied next to a monastery with the knights inside it. He realized that this was the group who were ambushing his army. He went next to the monastery and tied his horse and went in and closed the door behind him preventing them from leaving. He then started fighting them single-handedly and by the time they were able to lay their hands on their weapons he had already killed three of them. When Bisr’s soldiers discovered his absence they went searching for him and came by the monastery and found his horse. They also heard the noise coming from inside the monastery. They tried getting in but the door was closed so they had to break away some panels from the roof and then descended into the monastery. They found him fighting the knights with a sword in one hand and the other hand was holding some of his intestines that had spilled out. He then fell down unconscious. His soldiers continued the fight killing some and capturing the rest. The captured asked the soldiers: “We ask you in the name of God! Who was that man?” They said: “He is Bisr bin Arta’ah,” The Roman knights said: “In the name of God no woman has ever given birth to anyone like him!” The soldiers then put the dangling intestines back into his stomach since none of them was punctured. They tied his stomach with some of their turbans and they carried him back. Then his stomach was stitched and he was cured. (Abu Hajjaj Al Muzi and others)

And there are more also, for example Bara ibn Malik throwing himself over the wall to open door for the muslims when there wasn't any hope of surviving that etc.

Crazy Cat Lady wrote:In light of the latest attack in Xamar I was wondering, how do 'Muslim' terrorists justify suicide attacks?

there is no such thingas muslim terrorists, the term was coined by western media to devide muslims across the world. refrain from using such term.
as for suicide bombings- Suicide is forbidden. "O ye who believe!... [do not] kill yourselves, for truly Allah has been to you Most Merciful. If any do that in rancour and injustice, soon shall We cast him into the Fire..." (Qur'an 4:29-30)-The taking of life is allowed only by way of justice (i.e. the death penalty for murder), but even then, forgiveness is better. "Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause..." (17:33)-•Harming innocent bystanders, even in times of war, was forbidden by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). This includes women, children, noncombatant bystanders, and even trees and crops. Nothing is to be harmed unless the person or thing is actively engaged in an assault against Muslims.

FAH1223 wrote:Suicide Bombing is Haram

because

1. Suicide in general is forbidden

Suicide is forbidden. "O ye who believe!... [do not] kill yourselves, for truly Allah has been to you Most Merciful. If any do that in rancour and injustice, soon shall We cast him into the Fire..." (Qur'an 4:29-30).


2. In turns it goes against the conducts and it kills innocent people in numbers

And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you. But do not transgress limits. Truly Allah loves not the transgressors."

- Qur'an, Surah Al-Baqarah (2:190)

Harming innocent bystanders, even in times of war, was forbidden by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). This includes women, children, noncombatant bystanders, and even trees and crops. Nothing is to be harmed unless the person or thing is actively engaged in an assault against Muslims.

Thanks Fah, the Qur'an clearly states that even if we are in injustice, suicide is Haaraam.

Kuffars will always try to make xalaal what Allah swt made xaraam,wal ciyaadu billaah.

After fierce debating, the consensus is, suicide bombing is xaram.

I think the best guy who brainwash people is hassan turki.even if you are not a muslim and attend where he is preaching,man you will come back with as jihadist.

Mr. Yungnfresh wrote:Yeah, but the point of suicide bombing is to kill as many of the other guys as possible KNOWING you'll die for sure. What I was saying was, there's no precedence for the Saxaaba (RA) killing the enemy while knowing they'll definitely die too...sure, there might have been times where they faced incredible odds and death was likely, but they fought until they died, not died as part of their fight. Had they been able to, they would have continued fighting until every last one of the enemies were dead, and remain alive themselves.

Yes there is. There are many examples in which the Saxaba contributed to martyrdom operations. Ever heard of Bara'a ibn Malik (ra) when the Muslims were fighting Musailimah al Kadhaab? Was he not the one who told the Muslim army to fling him inside the fortress of the enemy so he can open it from the other side which was a surety of death? Was not Khalid ibn al Walid (ra) the one who took off his armour in the later battles because he wanted to be martyred however Allah willed for that not to happen?

The Sahaba were fighting clear Enemy, in the turf of the enemy, in the heat of a battle, had objectives of, for instance, opening a gate, breaking a strong enemy defense and etc. These days, you have suicide bombings in a market, on a street corner, and in places where innocent populations will suffer the highest casuality. What happened to taking the fight to the enemy?

Suicide missions which target mosques and innocent civilians in markets are NOT of the work of the Mujahideen. Those are the works of the enemies. WHo else will benefit? Common sense people. Its the enemy who perpetrates the act and then go to CNN and say stuff like "AL Qaeda/Al Shabab has claimed responsibility". Absolute nonsense! How on earth will it benefit any of these groups such as Al Qaeda, Al Shabab etc to target a bloody market or a mosque?

When it comes to Martyrdom operations against enemy forces, their soldiers and their bases I believe with special rules and regulations it can be permissible.

nomadicwarlord wrote:After fierce debating, the consensus is, suicide bombing is xaram.

Yes. Exactly!!!

RuralMan08 wrote:Suicide missions which target mosques and innocent civilians in markets are NOT of the work of the Mujahideen. Those are the works of the enemies. WHo else will benefit? Common sense people. Its the enemy who perpetrates the act and then go to CNN and say stuff like "AL Qaeda/Al Shabab has claimed responsibility". Absolute nonsense! How on earth will it benefit any of these groups such as Al Qaeda, Al Shabab etc to target a bloody market or a mosque?

When it comes to Martyrdom operations against enemy forces, their soldiers and their bases I believe with special rules and regulations it can be permissible.

Well, you believe wrongly. Likely because you're an uninformed idiot.

michael_ital wrote:

nomadicwarlord wrote:After fierce debating, the consensus is, suicide bombing is xaram.

Yes. Exactly!!!

RuralMan08 wrote:Suicide missions which target mosques and innocent civilians in markets are NOT of the work of the Mujahideen. Those are the works of the enemies. WHo else will benefit? Common sense people. Its the enemy who perpetrates the act and then go to CNN and say stuff like "AL Qaeda/Al Shabab has claimed responsibility". Absolute nonsense! How on earth will it benefit any of these groups such as Al Qaeda, Al Shabab etc to target a bloody market or a mosque?

When it comes to Martyrdom operations against enemy forces, their soldiers and their bases I believe with special rules and regulations it can be permissible.

Well, you believe wrongly. Likely because you're an uninformed idiot.

People these days like to decorate lies and make it look appealing and fancy. Concerning the topic, I have analysed all the opinions about this issue.

and you have concluded what?