Tareke Ethiopia Somalia War of 1977

[luis1]

Hi Senorita,How are you?

Show me your sources of the somali victory in 1978


The Nomad:If you are Cuban, there's one thing the Somali people are grateful to you for. You showed us that going to war and subsequently ruining our country on behalf of a people who only want self-determination for their clan was undoubtedly the biggest mistake in our history.

We'll be sure not to repeat it,
Luis,

If you are Cuban, there's one thing the Somali people are grateful to you for. You showed us that going to war and subsequently ruining our country on behalf of a people who only want self-determination for their clan was undoubtedly the biggest mistake in our history.

We'll be sure not to repeat it,

Thanks,but Somalia won the war,dont you know that,Somalia destroyed Russia,Cuba and Ethiopia at least this is the opinion of Rabanam,what do you think about this opinion?

Do you agree with it?

He always says that,but he doesnt have any source to prove it,Why?

[The Nomad]

Of course I don't agree, that logic makes no sense. There's a time for blind patriotism, this isn't it.

Our reer badiiye of a President led us to a comprehensive military defeat, brought on Somalia by his lack of diplomacy. There was no Somali victory, the objectives the war was based on where not fulfilled, hence it isn't a 'victory'.

No country involved won, as a matter of fact. Cuba (a vassal state at the time) lost forces and arms involved in a war continents away at the behest of the dominant state, the USSR.

Ethiopia fared terribly as statistics show, and the Soviet Union gained nothing but a dent in it's bankroll and chalked up another loss in the Cold War against America.

[edleh]

I think it's time to close down this thread. It's going too far and without any tengable outcome. The truth about this war is obvious that Somalia won it single handedly, but he initiator of this thread won't accept that, and can't be conviced, haddii xattaa indha aa ka geliso runta weli waa soo taagan yahay. So why not end it right here, and now?

[luis1]

What are you saying?

Dont you read the last opinion?

Nomad:Our reer badiiye of a President led us to a comprehensive military defeat, brought on Somalia by his lack of diplomacy. There was no Somali victory, the objectives the war was based on where not fulfilled, hence it isn't a 'victory'.

Edleh:The truth about this war is obvious that Somalia won it single handedly, but he initiator of this thread won't accept that, and can't be conviced, haddii xattaa indha aa ka geliso runta weli waa soo taagan yahay. So why not end it right here, and now?

For God sake which victory,are you telling me Somalia defeated Cuba,Rusia and Ethiopia,then Why I can not find somali sources about this victory,explain me that.

but he initiator of this thread won't accept that, and can't be conviced,

You can not convice me because you dont have any source to prove your victory,How can I believe if you can not show me any source?

For God Sake somalis are really idiots.

[luis1]

Nomad:No country involved won, as a matter of fact. Cuba (a vassal state at the time) lost forces and arms involved in a war continents away at the behest of the dominant state, the USSR.

We lost less men than somalis,check out Wikipedia.

We lost 400 men and somalis more than 6.000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogaden_War

We expelled SNA from Ogaden and we destroyed WSLF,check out Wikipedia.

I think this a victory.

[The Nomad]

You're using the same logic Arabman is using to claim it was a Somali victory, since if belligerents against Somalia casualties are combined, they lost more in total

Nevertheless, a victory is not judged by statistics, it cannot be claimed as a victory by Somalia because it's aim ('liberation' of the Ogaden region) was not fulfilled, nor can it be claimed as a victory by Cuba, because it was a war from which they gained nothing but being forced into a skirmish continents away at the beck of the USSR.

Take 3 parties:

A
B
C
D

A attacks D, B is D's effective master, B also exerts heavy influence over C, enough to use it as cannon fodder at will. C enters war non-consensually and with D and B's aid manages to repel A. All parties involved gain nothing from the conflict, but instead all suffer, although this differs in severity.

In the above case there would be no victors.

[Voltage]

This video brings pride to my heart. One small African nation of 9 million defeated another nation of over 50 million in just a matter of days and the whole Communist world was so shocked and surprised they had to undertake an effort Fidel Castro calls "the one operation where the Communist world viewed such a threat to unite to such an extent never seen anywhere even in Latin America" and where the Russian attache in Ethiopia says "the Somali skill and military organization was such even with all of our support, immediate and emergency support we were pumping into Ethiopia it became necessary for us to put tens of thousands of allied troops on the ground because Ethiopia had no chance of taking on the superior Somalis".

Luis, there is your victory. You were a prostitute of a super power who colluded with all their minions in the communist world to take on a small African nation of 9 million in a manner no one not even the U.S anticipated was possible. What a great and exalting victory for you, being among one of many prostitutes used against a small African nation. What a great victory for you!

God Bless the Somali nation, the Lions of Yore

[Voltage]

Nevertheless, a victory is not judged by statistics, it cannot be claimed as a victory by Somalia

Agame!

[peace-]

Nomad:No country involved won, as a matter of fact. Cuba (a vassal state at the time) lost forces and arms involved in a war continents away at the behest of the dominant state, the USSR.

We lost less men than somalis,check out Wikipedia.

We lost 400 men and somalis more than 6.000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogaden_War

We expelled SNA from Ogaden and we destroyed WSLF,check out Wikipedia.

I think this a victory.

@ wikipedia as a source.
somalia lost the ogaden war to an alliance of eight countries that included one of the only two super powers at the time.
if it was only ethiopia versus somalia there would have most definitely been a different result.
somalia defeat the ethiopian in less then two months and capture almost 95 per cent of the ogaden.

[The Nomad]

^
Look at the boon delude himself, completely detatch himself from reality because it would destroy his fragile mind to accept that the single Marehan of worth in history managed to lose what appeared to be a war Somalia couldn't lose

Your hero brought a nation to the brink of bankruptcy and lost a war any capable diplomat would never have let happen in the first place.

It hurts, but you need to accept it. Don't even bother replying, sport

[Murax]

Nevertheless, a victory is not judged by statistics, it cannot be claimed as a victory by Somalia

Agame!

[luis1]

Hi Nomad:Cuba, because it was a war from which they gained nothing but being forced into a skirmish continents away at the beck of the USSR

Well,we achieved the political and military goals,we defeated Somali Army and WSLF after that Somalia were not a serious threat to Ethiopia anymore.They tried to conquer Ogaden and failed.



All parties involved gain nothing from the conflict, but instead all suffer, although this differs in severity

I agree with you but we are talking about military and political goals,I am talking about the war on the the military and political field not human field,and the evil alliance of cubans,russians and ethiopians achieved all them.

Read this articles:


http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/oscar/ogaden1976.htm
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_188.shtml

The SNA never recovered from its defeat in the Ogaden War. The battles to retake and then defend the Ogaden stripped the Somali armed forces of many troops, much of their equipment, and their Soviet patron. For the next decade, the SNA sought unsuccessfully to improve its capability by relying on a variety of foreign sources, including the United States. The Ogaden War therefore remains the best example of the SNA's ability to mount and sustain conventional military operations

In the human sense the war was a disaster for everybody but in the political and military field,the alliance defeated Somalia on the ground.

[The Nomad]

I agree with you.

Of course you do.

You can't fabricate goals and then claim that by fulfilling the criteria you've only just made up, you won the war. That's like me saying Somalia's objective was to conquer the majority of the Ogaden region, hence making it a Somali victory. Of course, I'd be wrong, like you are because that simply isn't true.

[Murax]

Nomad,


Why don't u ever speak or write af soomali, lol

[The Nomad]

Ask abti Voltage.

Now stay on topic.