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Re: Bashir Goth (another Somali Islamaphope??)

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djibsomali wrote:Bashir goth is one the worst product of awdal.

He is beyong redemption and would be happy him to be trial by an islamic court.

the worst of Awdal is : bashir goth

middle ( a bit lost islamically ) is: Prof ahmed samatar ( the one who is trying to be president of somalia)


Islamicaly the best of awdal intellect is : Prof Abdi samatar (brother of ahmed) very good man with dagan and deen.
yes you are right wallaahi i feel ashame about this guy. specially when i found his father was well known scholar Sh. Cumar Good (AUN)

i heard this guy is Influenced by his white american wife.

shame on u bashir
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Queen_Arawello wrote:
XKeyse_ wrote:no thanks i don't need Arabs to tell me god lives inside that black box in Saudi Arabia.
Horta have you been sexually abused by arabs, your hate for Islam is based on arab culture, Arab is a culture and Islam is a religion :arrow: :arrow:
actually this guy xaarkeyse don't' hate just Islam and Arabs, he also hate Somalis. but why? because he is garac.
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Subxanallah, he is one of Islams enemies, Have you ever read his blog?
Proof, my brother, proof. You can't label someone an enemy of Islam and expect people to just take your word for it (even though I consider you one of the more reasonable people in these parts).


I referred her to his blog, where he has posted several anti-islamic articles. And this is not the first time this character has been exposed on Somalinet. When you claim Islam oppresses women and Islam is the reason why ppl praise white skin, then you are directly attacking Islam and therefore deemed a enemy of islam. This topic is proof enough, I am not going to bother searching for his articles, some of them have already been posted here.

Horta are you selective when you question people? Kumbuli said he needs to come back religion, suggesting that he left islam, aren't you going to ask her for proof?[/quote]

Yes I am very selective on who I take seriously here, saaxib. You seem reasonable and genuine; this is why I picked you up on your comment (it's also why I replied to this thread - Jamaal is another, usually, reasonable guy). Kumbuli didn't come across as someone who made up her mind on the guy. Even when finally choosing to condemn him, she simply said "he needs to come back to the religion" (suggesting he strayed not left or is an enemy of Islam). With the other posters, AbdiWahab seems to be doing a sterling job (I'd rather not interfere with his windup). :mrgreen:


I read many of Bashir Goths articles in the past. I mostly think the man is up to no good and, like you, get the feeling he’s simply imitating and regurgitating Western ideas and terms (Wahabi, Salafi, extremist, fundamentalist, etc). However, I do not know if the man is simply ignorant of the impression some of his words make or if he is genuinely setting out to attack Islam and Muslims (and by that I mean renounced his faith).

Because I do not know and cannot be certain of his intentions, I insist on defending him. He says he is a Muslim and repeats it on many of his articles. This is the sticking point for me (not all the rubbish he writes).

It’s a gamble one must take brother, a modified version of Pascal’s wager, if you like. We have two choices. One, he is indeed an enemy of Islam and our suspicions are proven correct (on the day of judgment). Two, he is not an enemy of Islam but a misunderstood bumbling buffoon. On the first option, I cannot see what rewards one will get by making the correct guess. On the second, I can imagine what punishments one will get by questioning another Muslim’s faith. You may be a brave man and still insist on making the first call, but at what cost?

This habit of questioning each other’s Islam is not healthy (I am not talking about you now, I am talking in general). It is much better to attack what such people say rather than what we think they are.

Allahumma inni ballaghat.....
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Paddington bear,you have to take as it a given that people will question your Islam when you advocate for Somali women to remove their hijabs and take part in hair modelling parades. All the Muslims are in consensus that whoever makes halal what Allah has made haram is a murtad. Bashir Goth makes it clear in the article that I posted, that the his attack is actually against the covering of hair and the body, rather than against the Jalabeeb which is more common knowadays. The only excuse for this in the Shariah would be if mr Goth was completely ignorant of the Islamic position on the Hijab and he didn't it was from Islam, and not invented by Wahabis. Of course, i don't believe anybody in todays world, let alone a Somali, can be ignorant of such a reality. Goths attacks are on the Islamic religion itself, whether he likes it or not. Clear as daylight to me. However, he tries to camouflage his inherent hatred of Islamic symbols with the mantra of attacking Salafism and Wahabis. In any case, if the man is not a murtad, then he is a pure heretic, as his beliefs on completely abandoning the daily worship rituals of Islam show.
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JaMaaL-23 wrote:Muslim women can only envy their Western sisters rising to the highest political leadership: Angela Merkel, Tarja Halonen, Hillary Clinton, and Segolene Royal. Turn to the Muslim world and the media will surprise you with daily reports of honor killings, hudood laws, female genital mutilation, social segregation, and political discrimination against women.\
The irony is with the exception of Angela Merkel, all those ladies failed in attaining highest political leadership.

Whereas the Muslim world has seen Megawati Sukarnoputra, president of the largest Muslim nation (Indonesia), Khaleda Zia prime minister of Bengladesh, Benazir Bhutto prime minister of Pakistan, Assita Mumin premier of Niger, Abed Rezeva premier of Turkenmistan, Hasina Wazid prime minister of Bengladesh, Madier Boye premier of Senegal, etc.

How come he does not look at these women who have held more premier and president posts then any other women in the Western world?
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GaajoUnit wrote:Paddington bear,you have to take as it a given that people will question your Islam when you advocate for Somali women to remove their hijabs and take part in hair modelling parades. All the Muslims are in consensus that whoever makes halal what Allah has made haram is a murtad. Bashir Goth makes it clear in the article that I posted, that the his attack is actually against the covering of hair and the body, rather than against the Jalabeeb which is more common knowadays. The only excuse for this in the Shariah would be if mr Goth was completely ignorant of the Islamic position on the Hijab and he didn't it was from Islam, and not invented by Wahabis. Of course, i don't believe anybody in todays world, let alone a Somali, can be ignorant of such a reality. Goths attacks are on the Islamic religion itself, whether he likes it or not. Clear as daylight to me. However, he tries to camouflage his inherent hatred of Islamic symbols with the mantra of attacking Salafism and Wahabis. In any case, if the man is not a murtad, then he is a pure heretic, as his beliefs on completely abandoning the daily worship rituals of Islam show.

I saw the quotes you posted yesterday and was almost swayed but the man still claims to be a Muslim and that’s the nagging doubt that keeps me from condemning him outright.

Islam these days seems to be a free for all and everyone seems to be making a fatwa on one thing or another. Bashir is no different there. Is he wrong? My Islamic knowledge tells me that he most certainly is. Is he not a Muslim? I hope not.
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Re: Bashir Goth (another Somali Islamaphope??)

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Paddington I know you are a bore and tedious and make the most horrible jokes but are you Bashir because you seem to be protesting too much.

The whole article was an attack on Islam. He was so desperate as to even make Islam the culprit of FGM because Islam asks for virginity? What culture on this earth does not ask for virginity including Western culture pre and post-feminist movement? How come Muslims societies in Europe and Southeast Asia do not then practice FGM because of Islam's stipulation of virginity?

How low can this guy go? And you are still protesting for him?
Islamists may call this practice un-Islamic from now to eternity, but give me a single one of them who would accept an uncircumcised woman as his bride. Rightly or wrongly, the root cause of the problem goes to the nobleness of virginity that Islam ingrains in the minds of the believers.
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Voltage wrote:Paddington I know you are a bore and tedious and make the most horrible jokes but are you Bashir because you seem to be protesting too much.

The whole article was an attack on Islam. He was so desperate as to even make Islam the culprit of FGM because Islam asks for virginity? What culture on this earth does not ask for virginity including Western culture pre and post-feminist movement? How come Muslims societies in Europe and Southeast Asia do not then practice FGM because of Islam's stipulation of virginity?

How low can this guy go? And you are still protesting for him?
Islamists may call this practice un-Islamic from now to eternity, but give me a single one of them who would accept an uncircumcised woman as his bride. Rightly or wrongly, the root cause of the problem goes to the nobleness of virginity that Islam ingrains in the minds of the believers.
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I never for a minute thought you would get the discussion I'm having with these guys, Voltage. Why don't you save yourself the trouble and carry on talking about women presidents or whatever trivial nonsense you were getting hot and bothered about above? No. I am not Bashir Goth, I am Basra, I'm AbdiWahab, I'm Kambuli.... :mrgreen:

At any rate, I thought you, of all people, would have sympathy for old Bashir. People write and say things that may get misinterpreted by their readers (like your perceived love for Italian colonialism, etc).

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You don't like my jokes?
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Re: Bashir Goth (another Somali Islamaphope??)

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Voltage wrote:Paddington I know you are a bore and tedious and make the most horrible jokes but are you Bashir because you seem to be protesting too much.

The whole article was an attack on Islam. He was so desperate as to even make Islam the culprit of FGM because Islam asks for virginity? What culture on this earth does not ask for virginity including Western culture pre and post-feminist movement? How come Muslims societies in Europe and Southeast Asia do not then practice FGM because of Islam's stipulation of virginity?

How low can this guy go? And you are still protesting for him?
Islamists may call this practice un-Islamic from now to eternity, but give me a single one of them who would accept an uncircumcised woman as his bride. Rightly or wrongly, the root cause of the problem goes to the nobleness of virginity that Islam ingrains in the minds of the believers.
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He is talking about the Somali Islamists who support some jahiil practices like FGM, but condemn other acts of bidca/jahiilnimo such as elaborate graves etc
PB, you're maturity/age is showing :up: , you seem to have a sensible grasp of the topic :mrgreen: , unlike some.
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