Boqortoyati Wiil-Waal

[Siciid85]

Ahmed Gurays, nephew being bartiire? your more deluded then i though teeri, Imam Ahmed had only 1 brother in law and that guy was called Mataan he was gerri other then that Imam ahmed had nothing to do with somalis, but there was another guy called Ahmed guray husayn - a habar magaadle - Isaaq chief.

[Siciid85]

Inadaan, your barking on the wrong direction sxb anigu i deal with sources and facts not tooth fairytales.


So far the ogaden members claimed Bartire , Wiilwaal ruled all the way from Jigjiga and Seylac and ruled the surrounding tribes in ogadenia , where is the source? if you can't provide a source put a socket in it i don't have time for fabricated taarikh, Fahamto? .

[Teeri]

Inaadan, unlike wiilwaal which nobody has a actual history or recorded documents about him, we have the taarikh of Sharmaarke salah baasha the conqueror of Zaylac well documented.



Emir Shermaarke Saalax Baasha (1790-1861) the conqueror of Zaylac


Shermaarke Saalax Baasha (1790-1861) the conqueror of Zaylac and the man who for the first time in Somali history brought Zaylac under the rule of Somalis, the first Somali Qadiif who in 1825 with 5 cannons and 60 H.Y musketeers took Zaylac and forced its Arab ruler Maxamed Al Baari out. He was

accorded the title of Qadiif Al Soomaal by Cabdixamiid Baasha and was presented with two Arab and one Turkish slave women. The founder of what was referred to as the Government of Zaylac.

Sharmaarke Salax Baasha (1790-1861) was HY –Muse Carre- and the only Isaaq ruler and Emperior of Zaylac and Awdal.


Richard Burton
First footsteps in East Africa
Chapter 2
LIFE IN ZAYLA.

The ruler of saylac at that 1827 was Garxajis Before And After The Othmany Empire By :

Sh. Sharmarke Ali Saalax Basha 1827

Sharmarke wuxuu ka talinayay, magaalada Saylac muddo dheer, laga soo bilaabo 1827-kii ilaa waxyar ka hor markuu Ingirsiisku sida rasmiga ah u soo galay Somaliland. Sharmarke, waxa uu wakiil u ahaa maamul xoogganaa oo ka jiray Yaman, kaasoo uu siin jiray cashuur




Sharmarke, waxa uu ahaa nin soomaali ah, balse xiligaa, ahaa nin maalqabeen ah, nin fahamsan maamullada adduunka ka jira, nin soo arkay xilligaa adduunyada meelo kala fog. Nin la odhan jiray Johnston oo wax ka qoray Berbera iyo Saylac 1844-kii wuxuu ku tilmaamay Sharmarke, nin xooggan oo maamulkiisu dhisanyahay, isla markaana ah nin firfircoon. Richard Burton oo ahaa basaaskii qarnigaa ugu weynaa ee Somaliland soo gala, wuxuu isaguna ku tilmaamay nin xilligaa 1854-kii maamulkiisu xoogganaa, oo magaalada Saylacna lahayd dhawr irridood oo keliya, oo laga soo galo, ganacsi xoog-lihina ka socday.

Sheekh Sharmarke, wuxuu ka talinayay magaalada Saylac muddo ka badan 30 sannadood.


Chapter 2

Life in Zayla.


Richard Burton


One Salimayn, a black slave from the Sawahil24, now secretary to the Hajji, reads our fortunes in the rosary. The “fal”25, as it is called, acts a prominent part in Somali life. Some men are celebrated for accuracy of prediction; and in times of danger, when the human mind is ever open to the “fooleries of faith,” perpetual reference is made to their art. The worldly wise Salimayn, I observed, never sent away a questioner with an ill-omened reply, but he also regularly insisted upon the efficacy of sacrifice and almsgiving, which, as they would assuredly be neglected, afforded him an excuse in case of accident. Then we had a recital of the tales common to Africa, and perhaps to all the world. In modern France, as in ancient Italy, “versipelles” become wolves and hide themselves in the woods: in Persia they change themselves into bears, and in Bornou and Shoa assume the shapes of lions, hyenas, and leopards. 26 The origin of this metamorphic superstition is easily traceable, like man’s fetisism or demonology, to his fears: a Bedouin, for instance, becomes dreadful by the reputation of sorcery: bears and hyenas are equally terrible; and the two objects of horror are easily connected. Curious to say, individuals having this power were pointed out to me, and people pretended to discover it in their countenances: at Zayla I was shown a Bedouin, by name Farih Badaun, who notably became a hyena at times, for the purpose of tasting human blood.27 About forty years ago, three brothers, Kayna, Fardayna, and Sollan, were killed on Gulays near Berberah for the crime of metamorphosis. The charge is usually substantiated either by the bestial tail remaining appended to a part of the human shape which the owner has forgotten to rub against the magic tree, or by some peculiar wound which the beast received and the man retained. Kindred to this superstition is the belief that many of the Bedouins have learned the languages of birds and beasts. Another widely diffused fancy is that of the Aksar28."












More pictures and sources.



http://hornhistory.blogspot.com/2010/05 ... -1861.html

Richard Burton does report somali rulers of Seylac who he says were isse and other Dirs in the 1870s but they were on the soverignty of the the Ottomans Soverignty, acknowledge bvy him and world history books, they sold modern day eriteria and Djibouti to the Italians and french sxb, do some research on how the italians and french got these lands, even the majertains sold themselves for a few guns in return and welcomed the italians just the way you idoors welcomed the british to rule you due to your haterate for absame!, they only took jubbland after heavy blood shed and for being on the british side in WW1 they got jubbalnd as a present from the british as he had had enough of the ''cunning bartire and their cousins ogadens'' , seylac was ottoman between 1542 and 1893 bro just like iraq, dubai, algeria, hijaz, ukrain etc, it was an official ottoman ''colony'' so who ever ruled was simply a subject of ottoman empire.

[ina aadan]

war horta ma handicap baad tahay

goormaan ku idhi Wilwaal wuxuu haystay saylac

Saylac iyo berbera waxa haystay cusmaniyintii (turki)

[Siciid85]

Teeri, confuse caano-boore kid , show me where richard burton said the rulers of seylac where cisse and gadabursi? since (1790-1861) the rulers of seylac where the sharmaarke family.

[ina aadan]

[quote="Teeri
Richard Burton does report somali rulers of Seylac who he says were isse and other Dirs in the 1870s but they were on the soverignty of the the Ottomans Soverignty, acknowledge bvy him and world history books, they sold modern day eriteria and Djibouti to the Italians and french sxb, do some research on how the italians and french got these lands, even the majertains sold themselves for a few guns in return and welcomed the italians just the way you idoors welcomed the british to rule you due to your haterate for absame!, they only took jubbland after heavy blood shed and for being on the british side in WW1 they got jubbalnd as a present from the british as he had had enough of the ''cunning bartire and their cousins ogadens'' , seylac was ottoman between 1542 and 1893 bro just like iraq, dubai, algeria, hijaz, ukrain etc, it was an official ottoman ''colony'' so who ever ruled was simply a subject of ottoman empire.[/quote]

Haa wa intaas

[Siciid85]

ina aadan, i think waad iis yeel-yeelaysa and we both know, zeylac over might have been under the islamic ottoman empire, but the ruler of seylac who was a friend of the ottomans was Sharmaarke baasha just like richard burton explains his book a native somali governor of seylac exercising real power over zeylac, orod cuqdad uu dhiimo marka it's not my fault you have no real recorded history of your willwaal fairytales.

[Siciid85]

Teeri, i think you are one of those people with cuqdad trying to discredit the great sharmaarkes baasha rule over seylac, first of all ottoman empire was a islamic empire nothing wrong with working with the empire itself, the fact remains he was the first somali governor of seylac to oust maxamed bari - the arab man, but the fact remains he had absolute power over zeylac whether your illiterate nomads understand that or not, while your wiilwaal fairytales there is no real documented history about it what a shame.

[Teeri]

Ahmed Gurays, nephew being bartiire? your more deluded then i though teeri, Imam Ahmed had only 1 brother in law and that guy was called Mataan he was gerri other then that Imam ahmed had nothing to do with somalis, but there was another guy called Ahmed guray husayn - a habar magaadle - Isaaq chief.

Dream on sxb, the book mentions he had mereahns, absame, even dulbahante in his army, he was a somali, habashi king lelibale used the word somali when he describes ahmed gurey and how he killed ahmeds father in law ''somali sultan'' . Nuurdine was a bartire, this land named ogadeniya now was carved up then, are there any idoors who live in immey, harar, afdheer?? no no no, this is the land carved up by Nuurdine after the treaty and expanded aggressively southward by asbame generations. an idoor never ruled anyhting significant historically, we was ruled from the west by absames, we all know that, and the east he was harased by wersengali who were even recognised as '' the sultans of somaliland'' by the british. i know ur trying to build some self steem for your grandchildren to tell them in their bed time stories but please get back to reality. you used to be forced to give a woman in return for your camels to be allowd to graze the lush reer isaaq lands and water holes. and we know every time a reer isaaq married a idoor woman, the idoors were told to send a young man of thiers to look after his camels during the honey moon period. stop embaressing your selfs with fictional stories, something i have notced idoors do to avoid inferior complex!

[The_Emperior5]

Richard Burton does report somali rulers of Seylac who he says were isse and other Dirs in the 1870s but they were on the soverignty of the the Ottomans Soverignty, acknowledge bvy him and world history books, they sold modern day eriteria and Djibouti to the Italians and french sxb, do some research on how the italians and french got these lands, even the majertains sold themselves for a few guns in return and welcomed the italians just the way you idoors welcomed the british to rule you due to your haterate for absame!, they only took jubbland after heavy blood shed and for being on the british side in WW1 they got jubbalnd as a present from the british as he had had enough of the ''cunning bartire and their cousins ogadens'' , seylac was ottoman between 1542 and 1893 bro just like iraq, dubai, algeria, hijaz, ukrain etc, it was an official ottoman ''colony'' so who ever ruled was simply a subject of ottoman empire.

Actually richard burton says in his Book The first footsteps trough east africa he clearly says The ruler of Seylac was Emir sharmarke ali salah baashe. As for the people who live in seylac are Habarawal isaaq


From his own book



La iska ma hadlo u have to back it up with sources .
As for welcoming the British The only Sultan who raided the British in 1893 was the isaaq Sicid garxajis sultan suldaan Nuur axmed amaan. Signing treaty with British and the italians was Very political and i am very glad. Our ancestors did that long time ago, even the dervishes signed a treaty with the Italians its very political Do u know why Because Ohter wise Maxmiyad xabashi bay ku hoos geeyn laahaayeen Ingreesku would of left We would of been just Abbesenians if our elders dident do that. The Ciise ugaas Did the Same with the french hadi kale dire dhawe ba lugu dari laha. And sxb we dont hate absame , Absame wa dad somali ah oo walalahayaga oo kale ah oo wax walba anu isu nahay , marka meesha sxb baala xoofta yar ba ka socotte eeh wa caadi.

[Siciid85]

Teeri, show me where in the book, which page was dhulbahante and ogaden mentioned ? cause i have readed the whole book of futah al habasha so don't waste your time kid, you will be simply humiliated with facts like a confused illiterate nomad.

[Teeri]

ina aadan, i think waad iis yeel-yeelaysa and we both know, zeylac over might have been under the islamic ottoman empire, but the ruler of seylac who was a friend of the ottomans was Sharmaarke baasha just like richard burton explains his book a native somali governor of seylac exercising real power over zeylac, orod cuqdad uu dhiimo marka it's not my fault you have no real recorded history of your willwaal fairytales.

So before he was a ''ruler' and now he is a ''friend of the ottoman empire'' , i will give you some self steem building stuff siciid, you preseidnt was asked about using sharia he replied '' somaliland only needs to sources for the sharia, marriage laws and death laws'' wonder how long it will take you guys to get ride of those to last remainng laws

[The_Emperior5]

The only Subclans that Are Mentions in Fatuh al habash is Geri Koombe i have the original scripture of the Gheri arrival to Imam ahmed .The habar magaadle of the isaaq The karanle of the Hawiye The Merehaan of the Darod And the harla Koombe of the Darod. The Maduluug of the dir. These clans were mentioned in Fatuh al habash.

[Siciid85]

Teeri, your so confused sxb what has the president of somaliland go to do with the topic stick with the topic kid, as for Sharmakay Baasha yes he was the ruler of seylac and the first native somali governor of seylac before that he use to live in yemen and he was a educated man who was experienced in politics and adminstrations, and yes he was a friend of the islamic ottoman empire, infact he had 1 turkish and arab wife his links with the islamic world were strong like it says in the history books, laakinse as usual your cuqdad ridden kind want to make the ottoman islamic empire as a "colony", islamic roots was present in seylac as far as the 1200's starting from the sa'adiin family and the Imam Ahmed days, instead of congrulating sharmakay for being the first somali governor of seylac - a important trade centre at that time and ousting the arabs you try to discredit him with your clannish cuqdad lenses, orod cuqdad uu dhiimo.

[Siciid85]

The only Subclans that Are Mentions in Fatuh al habash is Geri Koombe i have the original scripture of the Gheri arrival to Imam ahmed .The habar magaadle of the isaaq The karanle of the Hawiye The Merehaan of the Darod And the harla Koombe of the Darod. The Maduluug of the dir. These clans were mentioned in Fatuh al habash.

Indeed , you see teeri no ogaden or absame was mentioned in the taarikh books of ahmed guray.