Owning slaves, something to be proud of?

[BlackVelvet]

learn these 3 points
1. not all africans were slaves, .

You think? We both know that even some Africans themselves were part of the slave trade and made a profit but this is not about that neither is it about all the other slaves in other continents, this is about Africa because unless I am mistaken everyone who brags about that on here is African himself, a fact that is ironic and revolting because it makes them disturbingly similar to the ones who profited, the ones who enslaved their own African brothers. The point, we are African hence the thread is about African slaves.

2. slaves were not only africans,

What race were the slaves your ancestors owned? Exactly, again the point here is that Black African slaves went through a slave trade that lasted centuries therefore a Black African this day and age, regardless of whether people from his/her own country were or were not victims should know and realize what that did to the African continent and not look back at it with pride.

3. islam is against slavery but in a manner that actually made change possible

No ifs no buts no maybes. If it wasn't wrong Islam wouldn't try to abolish it. The manner in which it was done is thanks to the wisdom of Allah in not alienating the slave owners not because the slave owners were right in what they were doing but because Allah is The All Wise.

ps: Saying that you are not ashamed of a negative history is to never learn from past mistakes. What you are saying is "shit happens" with no inclining towards wrong or right when you just made the point that "islam is against slavery ".

Now if you can take these points without calling me names out of frustration then this just might prove to be time that I haven't wasted

[snoop12]

learn these 3 points
1. not all africans were slaves, .

You think? We both know that even some Africans themselves were part of the slave trade and made a profit but this is not about that neither is it about all the other slaves in other continents, this is about Africa because unless I am mistaken everyone who brags about that on here is African himself, a fact that is ironic and revolting because it makes them disturbingly similar to the ones who profited, the ones who enslaved their own African brothers. The point, we are African hence the thread is about African slaves.

2. slaves were not only africans,

What race were the slaves your ancestors owned? Exactly, again the point here is that Black African slaves went through a slave trade that lasted centuries therefore a Black African this day and age, regardless of whether people from his/her own country were or were not victims should know and realize what that did to the African continent and not look back at it with pride.

ow so now you finally redeem yourself, only did you forget that you were not refering to black african slaves but just slaves. look at your title "Owning slaves, something to be proud of". caught red handed.

3. islam is against slavery but in a manner that actually made change possible

No ifs no buts no maybes. If it wasn't wrong Islam wouldn't try to abolish it. The manner in which it was done is thanks to the wisdom of Allah in not alienating the slave owners not because the slave owners were right in what they were doing but because Allah is The All Wise.

wow you found a "but" wow, did you see if what follows is in opposition to the previous statement. you reduced your whole argument to fighting my grammar, that conjunction was not even missplaced it was to emphasise the point following it. war yaa allah yaqaan.

ps: Saying that you are not ashamed of a negative history is to never learn from past mistakes. What you are saying is "shit happens" with no inclining towards wrong or right when you just made the point that "islam is against slavery ".

freeing slaves, paying zakaat and sadaqa is a negative history?, intregrating slaves into the society by treating them well and as equals is anegative history?, not abusing slaves and their rights is a negative history? ,ultimately wiping out slavery off somalia is a negative history ? if that is a negative history i sure am proud of it.


BTW: consider this my last reply to the matter. im not getting payed for educating you this extensively.

[hanqadh]

lol Whocares who enslaved who, there was a wider conflict between Oromo and Somali.The Oromo lost and are today concentrated in the Oromo and N.West kenya regions.Coolpoison theres no need to feed your ego sxb, you just followed Absame when you saw us chasing the Oromos.

You chased us, we chased you, who cares. It's all nonsense. Nothing more than animals in the wild. It's not about that anymore. I would probably enjoy a Hassan Turki leadership more than you.

It was a selfish conflict over resources, a neccessary one for the people at the time.Plus those Oromo were Galla in this area folks despite the destruction and greed of the invading somali clans most of them are muslim today not Galla.So I would say an unintended blessing in disguise occured.

The Oromo caused alot of destruction themselves to many peoples in Ethiopia during there expansion, your a Hararge Oromo did you always inhabit Hararge.What about the Adari and various other people who are almost extinct today.Oromo or Somali, the people of the horn engaged in this type of conflict over land and resource.I dont really care about the slavery issue because this was the norm in the Horn from the wars of axmed Gurey to the Galla/Somali conflict, the loosing advesary was always humiliated with such punitive punishement.

Your right however its about you folks getting off your butt and taking Finfine to Moyale finally.We have greater enemies.

[BlackVelvet]

Why do I bother?

[Aliyyi Oromada]

lol Whocares who enslaved who, there was a wider conflict between Oromo and Somali.The Oromo lost and are today concentrated in the Oromo and N.West kenya regions.Coolpoison theres no need to feed your ego sxb, you just followed Absame when you saw us chasing the Oromos.

You chased us, we chased you, who cares. It's all nonsense. Nothing more than animals in the wild. It's not about that anymore. I would probably enjoy a Hassan Turki leadership more than you.

It was a selfish conflict over resources, a neccessary one for the people at the time.Plus those Oromo were Galla in this area folks despite the destruction and greed of the invading somali clans most of them are muslim today not Galla.So I would say an unintended blessing in disguise occured.

The Oromo caused alot of destruction themselves to many peoples in Ethiopia during there expansion, your a Hararge Oromo did you always inhabit Hararge.What about the Adari and various other people who are almost extinct today.Oromo or Somali, the people of the horn engaged in this type of conflict over land and resource.I dont really care about the slavery issue because this was the norm in the Horn from the wars of axmed Gurey to the Galla/Somali conflict, the loosing advesary was always humiliated with such punitive punishement.

Your right however its about you folks getting off your butt and taking Finfine to Moyale finally.We have greater enemies.

Hararis are called harari because they inhabited the town of Harar, which is still there, and it's inhabitants are still there.

As for the province of Hararge, Hararge Oromos today are the conquerors mixed with the conquored semetic speaking tribes who were absorbed. So yes, we did inhabit that land through that part of our ancestry. The same way the asiatic turks conquored and absorbed the population of anatolia, and today people of turkish anatolia still look like typical europeans. When you absorb a people, you absorb their blood, heritage, history etc. They don't go extinct.

As for politics, I agree that regime should be fought and punished, but I do not support people fighting and dying with incorrect beliefs and principles. No believing Muslim can do that.

[SultanOrder]

Why do I bother?

Me and BV

[Samatr]

That's B.S America was built on the blood of African slaves, imagine having free workers for 400 years.
They bred the African slaves like animals, to make the strongest offspring why do you think African Americans can compete in almost every sport , go do some research there are somethings that are not up for debate dude.

I am not deny slavery as you portray me to be.

lol@ ''They bred the African slaves like animals, to make the strongest offspring why do you think African Americans can compete in almost every sport''

That's just silly now!

All those slaves that survived the Atlantic slave trade were survivors and their genes were passed on to their offspring, this is just my little theory but there's truth in it.

[Berke]

No it is not something to be proud of.......Never mind the rest.