The Greatest General in the History of mankind.

[Navy9]

History is full of lies and is not meant to be taken truthfully since most of the time its the opinion of those who wrote it!!

[marcassmith]

History is full of lies and is not meant to be taken truthfully since most of the time its the opinion of those who wrote it!!

That was before but now history can be written by all. Thanks to the internet - states no longer have a monopoly on shaping history.

[Navy9]

and that is why it will get worse, first we had couple of liars that commons followed now multiply that by infinity!

[Samatr]

Hands down it's Genghis Khan even though he was a commander, close to 15 million Europeans are descended from him and the Mongols, xaaran buu ku haystay Europe much like his predecessor Atilla the Hun oo ku xaday Roman emperors daughter

[abdalla11]

Genhis Khan was great in terms of conquering alot of places but it had to do with guts and stamina and total annihilation of the enemy rather than tactical brilliance. Nobody comes close to Khalid bin Walid in terms of warfare, the guy was made for that.

From the book: Khalid bin al-walid: The Sword of Allah

Khalid was the most versatile soldier history has ever known-a true military genius. He had the strategical vision of a Changez Khan and a Napoleon, the tactical brilliance of a Timur and a Frederick the Great, and the individual strength and prowess of the half-legendary Rustam of Persia. In no other case in history do we see such diverse military virtues combined in one man. Khalid was one of only two great generals in history who never suffered a defeat. The other was Changez Khan, but Changez Khan was not a champion fighter like Khalid, even though his conquests covered a far greater region of the earth. Combined with Khalid's strategical and tactical genius was the extreme violence of his methods. To him a battle was not just a neat manoeuvre leading to a military victory, but an action of total violence ending in the total annihilation of the enemy. The manoeuvre was only an instrument for bringing about the enemy's destruction.

Khalid was the only man who inflicted a tactical defeat on the Holy Prophet-at Uhud. He was the first Muslim commander to leave Arabia and conquer foreign lands; the first Muslim to humble two great empires, one after the other. Almost all his battles are studies in military leadership, especially Uhud, Kazima, Walaja, Muzayyah, Ajnadein and Yarmuk. His finest battle was Walaja, while his greatest was undoubtedly Yarmuk

But with Khalid it wasn't a one man show. He was surrounded by the likes of Abu 'Ubaid ibn jarrah, the army commander during Cumar caliphate, Amr ibn Al'aas( the conquerer of Egypt) Sa'd ibn abi waqqas (conquerer of Persia) and Sharahbiil. May allah be pleased with them all

[ToughGong]

General Motors

[abdalla11]

General Motors

They were defeated by the US banks under of the chief commander Bush

[ToughGong]

seemeyer wrote:
General Motors

They were defeated by the US banks under of the chief commander Bush

True,but that was just one battle in a 80 year war

[Knight of Wisdom]

Khalid Bin Walid (RA) was the greatest GENERAL of all time, no doubt.


The guy never lost a battle in his life....HIS ENTIRE LIFE !

[onesalahadin]

I will say
Sayyīd Muhammad `Abd Allāh al-Hasan THE MAD MULLAH

[ModerateMuslim]

ignorant somalis. any list of great commanders which doesn't consist of majority germans automatically discredit itself. there''s no nation which excels in the art of warfare like the german nation.

and any list of great commanders must begin with von moltke - the man who revolutionized method of warfare and brought into the industrial-revolution. also, unequal in foresight and organization. war is won before the first shoot is fired and no man understood this fact better than this prussian genius.

next come the three brilliant generals of ww2:

1. the man who excelled in all aspects of warfare - von manstein. from planning to conduct of war - he was master of it all. he's was as brilliant in strategy as he was in maneuver and siege warfare.

2. the who man who revolutionized maneuver warfare forever and who, more than any other individual, is responsible for combined arms and armored warfare. he's also equally brilliant pnzer commander.

3. erwin rommel - commander of the afrikakorps. need more be said?

[Gara Man]

I think one should be biased to consider Imam Ahmed as conquerer, the guy conquered nothing.
At his death, all muslim Sultanates lost almost all wat they had, they were ruined.

He inspired terror to the Abyssinians and managed to chase the king from most Abyssinia.
He was offered a deal in which he was given two third of the christian kingdom, refused it and then lost everything.
That is wat makes me suspect he was most certainly of alien to the region and unaware of the power dynamic of that region.
He was most probably one of Somali-Bantu tribes in the present day Somali deep South, or Arab.

Gara Man, by pointing out how outdated Bareento (Bareeytumaa) oromo's weaponry compared to Imam Ahmed's, I was
emphasizing how much they achieved with far less.
Imagine, few years after the establishment of the Great Baantu Shrine of Odaa Bultum , the Humbanna branch
of Humbanna-Itu gadaa besieged Harer city,and the Itu branch besieged the Afar capital.

I think history of Imam Ahmed should be reconsidered, we must be able to discuss about the negative impacts he had on muslim population.
Had he not first allied himself with the Turks, Portugal would have never helped the abyssinians.
Thats the foundation of of abyssinan alliance with the wetsrn power!!!


B.

Bareento only if oromos had gragn type figure in the 18-19th century to unite all the Oromo tribes under one banner. If my wallo ancestors were left to be we surely would of united all the oromos but it was a rallying cry like this that frightened the abyssinnians not to mention some foreigners but it was not to be, oromos continued to fight eachother while habashas united along with help to destroy us. Imam ahmed was a commander of a organized army that conquered half of Abyssinia which feats that cannot be denied. While the Bareentumma, a mighty force to be reckoned with, were a pastoralist band of raiders. There is a difference.

[gurey25]

i agree mantstein is underestimated but you cannot compare him to khalid bin al walid.

The germans were not that far from thier enemies in technology, and strenght in numbers,

but the disparity between the byzantine cataphract and the muslim armies was immense..
most people do not know this period very well so they cant imagine the vast scale of difference..

The byzantine cataphract was a professional experienced force that were tactically excellent,
moreover they were all armoured, and mobile..
The common apearance of vast host of muslims on fine arabian horses was not the true picture..
At ajnadien, at nihavand and especially at yarmouk.
the muslims had a shortage of cavalary, and what cavalary they had was unarmoured light cavalary and no match for the cataphracts,
and especially not the persian azadans or the dehgaans which were in turn superior to the byzantine cataphracts..

The proper comparison would be somali warlords with technicals attacking a brigade of the US army and thier M1 abrams and winning..


Thats why i find that period facinating...

[Gara Man]

I remember Jaarraa talking about the Portugeuse military expeditions from Berbera into Hararge. He said their army was slaughtered at a place (I forget the original name), but the place their army was slaughtered was later renamed Bisiddiimo, because of the water which turned red with their blood. He narrated it from AQ elders.

Aliyyi i read one time but lost the link from a document written by krapt from the 19th century of a alla chief holding de gamma's blade of the Portuguese man who was killed by Imam ahmed.

Do you know anything about that?

[Aliyyi Oromada]

Krapf the German dude? I thought he only went to Wallagga. He's the one who coined the term 'Ormania'. I know about de gama, the relative of vasco but I never heard of the blade. Bisiddiimo is mostly inhabited by Ala, so there could be connection.