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Aliyyi Oromada wrote:
cause everyone seems to name the other raafidi
The term has always been used to describe those who reject the early khulafaa. The Imami Shia (twelvers & Ismaili) such as those you mentioned. Do you believe in Imaamah?
to everyone what rock their boat
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yours is the fat arab paedophile therefore to everyone what pleases them
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djibsomali wrote:Long ago they accused al-Shaafa'i of being a Raafidi (Shi'ah) and he refuted them by saying:

"If being a Raafidi means loving the family of Muhammad, then let the two races (of mankind and the jinn) bear witness that I am a Raafidi."
It was because the Raafidi claim that being ahlul Sunnah means that you do not love ahlul bayt. I say the same thing; If loving ahlul bayt means being raafidi, then that is what I am. But that is not what it means. Being Raafidi means rejecting & hating the companions of the prophet, and ascribing divinity to his descendants and those who claim to be such. I have posted examples of this on this forum in the past.
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Aliyyi Oromada wrote:
djibsomali wrote:Long ago they accused al-Shaafa'i of being a Raafidi (Shi'ah) and he refuted them by saying:

"If being a Raafidi means loving the family of Muhammad, then let the two races (of mankind and the jinn) bear witness that I am a Raafidi."
It was because the Raafidi claim that being ahlul Sunnah means that you do not love ahlul bayt. I say the same thing; If loving ahlul bayt means loving the family of the prophet, then that is what I am. But that is not what it means. Being Raafidi means rejecting & hating the companions of the prophet, and ascribing divinity to his descendants and those who claim to be such. I have posted examples of this on this forum in the past.

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Aliyyi,
Kha barana kha bara hedduu :rose:

Wat does "loving Prophet's family" means?
or wat does it imply?
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akkam bareento,

Ati yoo nama tokko jaalatte, warra saatiis ni jaalatta jechuudha. Garuu namni garii, jaalala bira khutanii, akka Rabbitti gabbaruu jalqaban.
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Thnk u :up:

Amantiin jara Shi'a ja'aniini tuni, teenyaan heduu wal addaa?
garaagarumsi jiru, akkaataa amantii itti hubatani rraahi burqe moo; aadaa faarsii ta duri itti makhan?

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bareento,

Shi'aan murna sadii qabdi. Ithneen Ashari (twelver), Ismaa'ili, sadeeysaan Zaydi ja'aman. Isaan kheeysaa kan nutti aanu Zaydi dha, isaan Yemen qubatan. Wanni isaan ja'an; eega nabiyyeen du'e booda Aliyyiin fudhachuu qaba. Garaagarummaan guddoomiti.

Garuu murni guddoon Ithneen Ashari dha. Isaan Iraan, Iraq, ifi Libnaan qubatan. Isaan wajji garaagarummaan nuti qabnu guddoo dha. Wanni isaan ja'an; eega nabiyyeen du'e, sahaabaan Rabitti kafaran. Aliyyiifi ilmaan isaa malee namuu arrabsan. Ammaas amantii isaani kheeysatti Imaamni bakka guddoo qaba. Seenaa saanii kheeysatti, Imaamni waanuma fedhe jechuu dandaya, heera fedhe baasuu dandaya, hadiitha fedhe uumuu dandaya. Akkuma anbiyaati.

Dubbii san as kheeysatti tuqeetiin jira (http://typo3.somalinet.com/forums/viewt ... 5#p2800890)
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From my experience, deviant groups will usually use the tactics of paedophile. Just like the paedophile lures in his victim by saying "hey little girl, do you like candy?" Yeah I like candy! "alright, then come in my car, I have candy". Different deviant groups have different candies.

For the Shia, it's ahlul bayt. "do you love ahlul bayt, little girl?" Then you reply Yeah!.."oh do you really?" Yeaaaaah boy! But what does loving ahlul bayt have to do with making up a story about 12 Imams or 7 Imams (if you're Ismaili) coming from the linneage of the Prophet, the last of which being the mahdi, is in a thousand years hiding and will come out with the true Quran at the end of times. Not to mention their exaggerated status and so on... And if recognizing the Khilaafa of Abubakr, Umar and Uthman is kufr then what does that make Ali (ra)?

For the Qadiyani (Ahmediya), their candy is "dont we muslims need a leader?". Then you reply, what does needing a leader have to do with recognizing Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, the 19th century british stooge, as your Prophet?

Extreme Sufis, their candy is "just look at this great man, he was so pious. Allah loves him so much. Why don't we just go to his grave and ask him for some favours, and he can ask Allah for us since Allah loves him so much". Then you reply, yeah they may have been pious, but don't you recite the fatiha. Didn't you tell Allah in your prayer "iyyaaka na'budu wa iyyaaka nasta'een" (you alone we worship, YOU ALONE WE ASK FOR HELP). Don't you know the kuffar of Quraysh were doing the same thing, using idols as intermediaries. God has no intermediary. Intermediary = Shirk.

The list goes on. Beware of the candy brothers and sisters.
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Aliyyi, you understood the concept fundamentally wrong. You think like every other typical individual who grew up brainwashed by Saudi scholars living in mansions in Riyadh. Typical.
I bet you forgot that within Shi'ism there are different groups. Some are outright Kuffaar i.e Ismailis, Jacfaris (their scholars) and there are some who are rightly guided like the Zaydi madhab.

You are trying to play a dangerous tactic but you have been caught once again. :down:
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RuralMan08 wrote:Aliyyi, you understood the concept fundamentally wrong. You think like every other typical individual who grew up brainwashed by Saudi scholars living in mansions in Riyadh. Typical.
I bet you forgot that within Shi'ism there are different groups. Some are outright Kuffaar i.e Ismailis, Jacfaris (their scholars) and there are some who are rightly guided like the Zaydi madhab.

You are trying to play a dangerous tactic but you have been caught once again. :down:
I've already discussed this with you and you made clear you don't agree with those shia. Although I still disagree with some of your ideas, I was replying to djibsomali's praise for twelver shias in my first response. And regarding the different groups, I mentioned all that in my response to bareento.

But another tactic I forgot to mention is appealing to peoples emotion regarding current affairs. For example everybody knows the corruption of the leaders of the Arabian peninsula and their scholars. And everybody knows Iran, Hezbollah etc. are more independent in their political affairs, and they show concern for palestine etc. So they will appeal to the emotion of the masses in the Muslim world and use this to influence their beliefs.
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Anybody who takes Shia's serious is ignorant.
most Shias I know are very ignorant of Islam, and they just depend on their Imams to tell them what to do or not to do, they are like Catholics. Most of them that live in the Western world have assimilated, and Americanized their names and dyed their hair blonde. they only practice shiaism when they are in Iran, but when they come to Western countries they don't care it anymore.
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Hussein53 wrote:This is for the Shia Somali's

1. Did you know in Iran being gay is haram and forbidden by law, but there is an alternative called sex change, you can go to a clinic to grow artificial breast and remove your manhood and its halaal according to the so called Islamic Republic of Iran.

2. Did you know in Iran prostitution forbidden, but there is an alternative called temperary marriage where a man goes to a whore and performs a temp marriage contract, then pays the woman and does his business and then the marriage is over all in one night.
Voltage wrote:This guy is the first Shia Somali I have met online or offline. Ku lahaa look up to Iran, what a travesty..go beat yourself with swords, believe going to Qom is the same as hajj, curse Omar and the Sahaba and sometimes even believe God made a mistake and Ali was supposed to be the prophet :arrow:
Let us be clear Shi'a is Arabic for "party". Shi'a tul Ali means "partisans of Ali".
After the prophet's death, while Ali ibn Abu Talib was preparing the body of the Prophet for burial, Umar ibn Al-Khattab nominated Abu Bakr as Caliph at the shura in Saqifah. Ali was not present at the shura in Saqifah, he was too busy burying the Prophet.
When people found out what had happened at Saqifah, they were outraged, including Bilal (black ex-slave and the first mu'adhin), Fatima bint Muhammad, Jaafar Ibn Abu Talib (Ali's brother and the Prophet's cousin who led the Muslims to Abyssinia), Abdullah Ibn Abbas (Prophet's cousin), Miqdadu bni Aswādi l-Kindi, Abū Dharri l-Ghifāri, Salman al-Farsi, and especially Ammar Ibn Yasir (His mother was Sumayyah bint Khayyat and his father was Yasir ibn Amir. Yasir and Sumayyah were converts to Islam who were repeatedly tortured and crucified by Abu Jahl in the last year before the Hijra and thus were one of the first martyrs of Islam. After the persecution of the Muslims was over, Hamza (Prophet's uncle) and the Prophet's other companions went to the location where the torture took place and found every Muslim dead except Ammar, who had survived the torture. You should watch the movie the Message for a graphic picture of this torture).
This group of outraged people were called Shi'a tul Ali and later simply Shi'a.
Of the Shi'a were Ahlul Bait. From Ahlul Bait there was a division: First the Zaidi and the Jafari Imami (who later split into the Ithna Ashari (Twelvers who are found today in Iran) and the Ismaili (who split into the Mustaali (Fatimid Empire) and the Nizari (The Assassins, who later became the Agha Khani Ismailis who follow the Agha Khan))))

The Fiqh and aqeeda of the Zaidi are the same as the Sunnis. The Jafari (at the time of Jafar ibn Muhammad) were very close to the Sunnis with the exception of divinely inspired Imams. The Ithna Ashari's are the modern manifestation of the Jafari.
The Zaidi unlike the other Shia groups, do not believe that Abu Bakr, Umar or Uthman are Kafir (hence Zaid's labelling of the other shia as rafidha (plu. rawafidh) i.e. defectors. The Zaidi even accept ahadith from Sunni isnad.

The Zaidi reject divinely inspired or infallible Imams with supernatural powers or knowledge or appointed directly by God.

The Zaidi reject the cursing of Sahabah.

In Iran, the Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamanei gave the following fatwa regarding the cursing of Sahabah "insulting the symbols of the Sunni brothers, including the Prophet Muhammad's wife [Aisha] is forbidden. This includes the women of all prophets and especially the holy Prophet Muhammad SAW." The chancellor of Al-Azhar University of Islamic Sciences welcomed a fatwa issued by Iran's Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Sayyed Ali Khamenei that prohibits insulting the companions of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and his wives.

In Iran, the Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamanei gave the following fatwa regarding shedding of blood, for e.g. with a sword. "Doing matam by shedding blood (e.g. Qama zani) in addition to it not being considered a method of expressing sadness or mourning according to general convention, has no precedent in the time of the Imams (Peace be upon them) or of those who followed them. Moreover, there is no general or specific verification from the Imams (peace be upon them) concerning this action. And as this action disgraces the Shia`h school of thought in the eyes of others it is not allowed."

Many Muslim groups, including Sunnis such as the Shafi'i, do ziyarah (visitation) to sacred sites. For the Ithna Ashari, they say that after the Hajj in Mecca, the next best thing is Ziyarah. If you can't afford to go for Hajj in Mecca (which is very expensive these days $6000+) go for ziyarah to a sacred site in the meantime at a cheap price until you save up enough to go for Hajj in Mecca. Mistakenly, ziyarah has been labelled as Hajj. Although it is referred to as the poor man's hajj because if you live in a country with a sacred site, it is cheaper for you to walk or take a bus than it is to pay $6000+ for Hajj in Mecca.

The Zaidi reject temporary marriage.

In Saudi Arabia, they have something called "traveller's marriage" (Nikah Misyar), where by the man and woman make a contract in which she give up her rights as a regular wife, she continues to live with her parents and he comes by and has intercourse with her and leaves thereafter. They do not live together, she has not right to equal nights if he has more than one wife, and she forfeits her rights to housing, and maintenance money ("nafaqa").

The Zaidi reject the Saudi traveller's marriage.

The Ithna Ashari in Iran reject the Saudi traveller's marriage because it denies the woman her rights which are at least protected in temporary marriage.
In Iran, the Ithna Ashari do accept temporary marriage which they base the (muta') marriage found in the Quran (see surah An-Nisa verse 24), and was practised and allowed during the time of the Prophet (example: Ibn Zubayr was born of muta') and Abu Bakr's Caliphate. Umar ibn Al-Khattab banned muta' in the second year of his reign (see below)

Umar’s own testimony that he banned both types of Mut’ah that were Halal in Islam
The greatest testimony to Mut'ah's original permissibility, and to the crime of Umar can be gauged from his own testimony. In this regards we can rely on the following authoritative Sunni texts.

1. Sahih Muslim, Book 007, Number 2801 & 2814
2. Musnad Ahmed, Volume 1 page 52 Hadith 369
3. Mustakhraj Abi Auwanah, Volume 7 page 159 Hadith 2713
4. Mustakhraj Abi Auwanah, Volume 4 page 255 Hadith 2697
5. Tarikh Madina, Volume 2 page 719
6. Sunnan Saeed bin Mansur, Volume 1 pages 218-219
7. Al-Mabsut by Sarkhasi, Volume 4 page 27
8. Musnad al-Shamyeen, Volume 3 page 320 Tradition 2399
9. Kanz al Ummal, Volume 8 page 93
10. al-Muhazraat, Volume 2 page 214 part 12
11. Tafseer al-Kabeer, Vol 4 pages 42 & 43
12. Zaad al Maad, Volume 2 page 205
13. Tafseer Qasmi, Volume 3 page 4


Imam of Ahle Sunnah Abu Auwanah Yaqoob bin Ishaq bin Ibrahim al-Nisaburi al-Isfraeini (d. 316 H) popularly known as Abu Auwanah records the following in his book Mustakhraj Abi Auwanah, Volume 7 page 159 Hadith 2713:

۔۔۔ والأخرى متعة النساء فلا أقدر على رجل تزوج إلى أجل إلا غيبته في الحجارة زاد همام : فافصلوا حجكم من عمرتكم وقال فيه : فإنه أتم لحجكم وعمرتكم ۔۔۔

“Yaqoob bin Sufyan - Amr bin Asim – Hamaam – Qatadah - Abi Nadhra said: ‘I said to Jabir bin Abdullah that Ibn Abbas permits Mut’ah while Ibn al-Zubair prohibits it. He (Jabir) replied: ‘It is through me that this hadith has been circulated, I performed Mut’ah along with Allah's Messenger (pbuh) and a verse was revealed regarding it but then when Umar bin al-Khatab become the caliph, he addressed the people and said: ‘The Quran is the same Quran, the apostle is the same apostle, and there existed two types of Mut’ah at the time of Allah's apostle, I forbid both and will punish whoever performs them, one is the Mut’ah of Hajj, surely you have to separate your Hajj from your Umra, and the other is Mut’ah al-Nisa, if I catch any person who is married for an appointed duration (Mut'a), I will certainly stone him (to death).”

Yaqoob bin Sufyan: Ibn Hajar said: ‘Thiqah Hafiz’ (Taqrib al-tahdib, v2, p337), Dahabi said: ‘Thiqah’ (Al-Kashif, v2 p394). Amr bin Asim: Ibn Hajar said: ‘Seduq’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v1 p738), Dahabi said: ‘Seduq’ (Mizan al-Etidal, v3 p269). Hamaam bin Yahya: Ibn Hajar said: ‘Thiqah’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v2 p270), Dahabi said: ‘Thiqah’ (Mizan al-Etidal, v4 p309). Qatadah bin Da'ama: Ibn Hajar said: ‘Thiqah Thabt’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v2 p26), Dahabi said: ‘Thiqah Thabt’ (Mizan al-Etidal, v3 p385). Abi Nadhra al-Munder bin Malik: Ibn Hajar said: ‘Thiqah’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v2 p213), Dahabi said: ‘Thiqah’ (Al-Kashif, v2 p295).

A similar account can also be read in Tarikh Madina via a variant chain of narration:

Muhammad bin Jaffar - Shu'aba – Qatadah – Abi Nadhra said: ‘Ibn Abbas [ra] used to permit Mut’ah whereas Ibn al-Zubair forbade it, thus I mentioned that to Jabir bin Abdullah and he replied: ‘Through me this hadith been circulated, we performed Mut’ah with Allah's Messenger (pbuh) but when Umar became the ruler he said: ‘Allah would allow His Messenger to do whatever He wished, verily the Quran’s revelation has been completed, thus perform Hajj and Umra as Allah ordered you in a complete form and perform wedlock with women in a complete form, if I catch a man who has performed temporary wedlock with a woman, surely I will stone him’’’.

Muhammad bin Jaffar: Ibn Hajar said: ‘Thiqah’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v2, p63). Shu'aba bin al-Hajaj: Ibn Hajar said: ‘Thiqah’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v1, p418). Qatadah bin Da'amah: Ibn Hajar said: ‘Thiqah Thabt’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v2 p26). Abi Nadhra al-Munder bin Malik: Ibn Hajar said: ‘Thiqah’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v2 p213).

The audacious statement of Umar has also been recorded in Mustakhraj Abi Auwanah, Volume 4 page 255 Hadith 2697 in a concise manner via a different chain of narration:

حدثنا يزيد بن سنان نا مكي بن إبراهيم، عن مالك، عن نافع، عن ابن عمر، قال: قال عمر رضي الله عنه: متعتان كانتا على عهد النبي - صلى الله عليه وسلم - أنهى عنهما: متعة الحج، ومتعة النساء

Yazid bin Sinan – Maki bin Ibrahim – Malik – Naf’e – Ibn Umar – Umar said: ‘Two types of Mut’ah existed during Prophet's time, I prohibit both, Mut’ah of Hajj and Mut’ah al-Nisa’.

Yazid bin Sinan: Ibn Hajar said: ‘Thiqah’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v2 p325). Maki bin Ibrahim: Ibn Hajar said: ‘Thiqah Thabt’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v2 p211). Malik bin Anas: Ibn Hajar said: ‘Imam’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v2 p151). Naf’e: Ibn Hajar said: ‘Thiqah’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v2 p239).

Imam of Ahle Sunnah Saeed bin Mansur (d. 227 H) records the following admission of Umar in his authority work Sunan Saeed bin Mansur, Volume 1 page 218 Tradition 852:

عن أبي قلابة ، قال عمر بن الخطاب رضي الله عنه : « متعتان كانتا على عهد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ، أنا أنهى عنهما وأعاقب عليهما : متعة النساء ، ومتعة الحج »

Saeed – Hushaim - Khalid - Abu Qulabah from Umar bin al-Khatab said: ‘Two types of Mut’ah were there during the time of Allah's Messenger (pbuh) and I prohibit both and will punish whoever performs it, Mut’ah with women and Mut’ah of Hajj’

Imam Sarkhasi records:

وقد صح أن عمر رضي الله عنه نهى الناس عن المتعة فقال : متعتان كانتا على عهد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ، وأنا أنهى الناس عنهما متعة النساء ومتعة الحج

"It is Sahih that Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) prohibited the people from committing Mut'ah and said: 'Two types of Mut'ah existed during the time of Allah's Messenger (pbuh) and I prohibit people from them, Mut'ah al-Nisa and Mut'ah al-Hajj'".

We read in Kanz al-Ummal:

"Two types of Mut'ah were present during the lifetime of Rasulullah (s), I prohibit them both, Mut'ah of Nisa and Mut'ah of Hajj"
Online Kanz al Ummal, Hadith 45715

In Tafseer Kabeer:

Umar said: "Two Mut'ah's existed during Rasulullah's lifetime and I now prohibit both of them."
Tafseer al Kabeer, by Imam Fakhr ul-Razi, Page 42 & 43

We read in Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal:

Abi Nadhra said: ‘I said to Jabir bin Abdullah that Ibn Zubair prohibitis Mut’ah while Ibn Abbas allows it. He (Jabir) replied: ‘Through me this hadith has been circulated, we performed Mut’ah with Allah's messenger (pbuh), and Abu Bakr, but when Umar become caliph he addressed the people and said: 'The Quran is the same Quran, Allah's apostle is the same apostle, and there were two types of Mut’ah during the time of Allah's Messenger, one was the Mut’ah of Hajj whilst the other was Mut’ah regarding women’’.
Musnad Ahmed bin Hanbal, Volume 1 page 52 Hadith 369

Shaykh Shu'aib al-Arnaout stated about the authenticity of this tradition:

“The chain is Sahih according to Muslim's standards, the narrators are reliable and they are the narrators of the two Sheikhs (Bukhari & Muslim) except Abi Nadhra who is just a narrator of Muslim.”

Although the same account can also be found in Sahih Muslim but with a rather more eqviovocal wording, but when we read it in light of the admission of Umar (cited above), it is not difficult to understand meaning of the Sahih Muslim narration:

Abu Nadra reported: Ibn'Abbas commanded the performance of Mut'a putting lhram for 'Umra during the months of Dhu'I-Hijja and after completing it. then putting on Ibrim for Hajj), but Ibn Zubair forbade to do it. I made a mention of it to Jabir b. Abdullih and he said: It is through me that this hadith has been circulated. We entered into the state of Ihram as Tamattu' with the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). When 'Umar was Installed as Caliph, he said: Verily Allah made permissible for His Messenger (may peace be upon him) whatever He liked and as Re liked. And (every command) of the Holy Qur'an has been revealed for every occasion. So accomplish Hajj and Umra for Allah as Allah has commanded you; and confirm by (proper conditions) the marriage of those women (with whom you have performed Mut'a). And any person would come to me with a marriage of appointed duration (Mut'a), I would stone him (to death).

There is yet another version of this earth shattering account that, whilst absent of Umar’s statement relating to Nikah al-Mut’ah still evidences his audacity by declaring the Halal Mut’ah al-Hajj as Haram. We read in Musnad al-Shamyeen by al-Tabarani, Volume 3 page 320 Tradition 2399 as well as in Kanz ul-Umal, Volume 5 page 164 Tradition 12477:

۔۔۔ حدثني سعيد بن المسيب أن عمر بن الخطاب نهى عن المتعة في أشهر الحج وقال فعلتها مع رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم وأنا أنهى عنها ۔۔۔

Ali bin Saeed al-Razi – Isa bin Ibrahim al-Ghafeqi – Abdullah bin Wahab – Yunus bin Yazid – Atta al-Khurasani – Saeed bin al-Musayab said: ‘Umar had prohibited Mut’ah during the Hajj season and said: ‘I used to perform it with Allah's Messenger (s) but I prohibit it and that is because a person comes from a far distance tired and dusty in order to perform Umra during the Hajj season, verily his dustiness, tiredness and his Talbia is only in his Umra, then when he passes by the house (of Allah) and ends the rites he wears cloth and perfume and sleeps with his woman if she was with him, until the day of Tawria he starts to get into Hajj and marches to Mina to perform Hajj without being dusty, tired. Surely Hajj is better than Umra.’’

Ali bin Saeed: Dahabi said: ‘Brilliant Hafiz’ (Tazkirat al-hufaz, v2 p750). Isa bin Ibrahim al-Ghafiqi: Dahabi said: ‘Thiqah’ (Al-Kashif, v2 p108). Abdullah bin Wahab: Dahabi said: ‘Thabt’ (Mizan al-Etidal, v2 p521). Yunus bin Yazid: Dahabi said: ‘Thiqah Hujja’ (Mizan al-Etidal, v4 p484). Atta bin Abdullah al-Khurasani: Dahabi said: ‘He is one of the great scholars’ (Mizan al-Etidal, v3 p73). Saeed bin Musayab: Dahabi said: ‘Thiqah Hujja’ (Al-Kashif, v1 p445).

Similarly we read in Sahih Muslim, Book 007, Number 2814:

Abu Musa, (Allah be pleased with him) reported that he used to deliver religious verdict in favour of Hajj Tamattu'. A person said to him: Exercise restraint in delivering some of your religious verdicts, for you do not know what the Commander of Believers has introduced in the rites (of Hajj) after you (when you were away in Yemen). He (Abu Musa, ) met him (Hadrat Umar) subsequently and asked him (about it), whereupon 'Umar said: I know that Allah's Apostle (May peace be upon him) and also his Companions did that (observed Tamattu'), but I do not approve that the married persons should have intercourse with their wives under the shade of the trees, and then set out for Hajj with water trickling down from their beads.

Qadhi Yahya also acknowledged Mut'ah was prohibited by Umar NOT Rasulullah(s). This is proven from Ahl' ul Sunnah's authority work 'al-Muhazraat' Volume 2 page 214 part 12:

وقال يحيى بن أكثم لشيخ البصرة: بمن اقتديت في جواز المتعة؟قال: بعمر بن الخطاب رضي الله عنه قال: كيف وعمر كان أشد الناس؟قال: لأن الخبر الصحيح أنه صعد إلى المنبر فقال: إن الله ورسوله قد أحل لكما متعتين وإني محرمهما عليكم أو أعاقبكم عليهما، فقبلنا شهادته ولم نقبل تحريمه.

“Yahya Ibn Aktham asked a Shaikh from Basra: ‘Why do you permit Mut'ah?’ He answered: ‘Due to Umar Ibn al-Khattab’. Yahya asked: ‘How is that? Umar was the most strict one against it?’ He answered: ‘Yes, it is a Sahih narration that Umar ascended the pulpit and said: 'Allah and His Prophet permitted you two types of Mut'ah, but I forbid you on both and will punish those who commit the same', so we accepted the testimony of Umar (that Allah and His Prophet permitted it) but we did not accept his prohibition’.”

In short, we see that Umar did not claim that Mut'ah was abrogated by the Prophet (s). Dr. Salamah and others, therefore, are contradicting the person they believe to be the greatest of the companions. The simple fact is this: Allah (swt) allowed Mut'ah, and Umar forabde it. Does this not constitute open apostasy?
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