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[HalfDzed]

eyes-only,

What you're describing and what is commonly referred to as FGM are completely different. You're probably talking about the procedures that used to be done at clinics by urologists and other physicians in the last years before the war. These were done in a clean & sanitary environments by health professionals who in some cases administered anasthetics. Furthermore, the procedures themselves were considered as being radical and FGM hardliners frowned upon them.


I believe they would call it "sunnah" and equate it to a blood-letting or piercing ritual instead of a serious clitorecdemy.

They do it here in the U.S. too and sometimes call it labia minora reductions or clit corrections.

[Lord Diplock]

eyes-only,

What you're describing and what is commonly referred to as FGM are completely different. You're probably talking about the procedures that used to be done at clinics by urologists and other physicians in the last years before the war. These were done in a clean & sanitary environments by health professionals who in some cases administered anasthetics. Furthermore, the procedures themselves were considered as being radical and FGM hardliners frowned upon them.


I believe they would call it "sunnah" and equate it to a blood-letting or piercing ritual instead of a serious clitorecdemy.

They do it here in the U.S. too and sometimes call it labia minora reductions or clit corrections.

Spare us the detail sxb, is there any Xalimo out there who is completely natural (not even the Sunna thing)? or is this illegal according to the teaching of the deen?

[Alluring]

eyes-only,

What you're describing and what is commonly referred to as FGM are completely different. You're probably talking about the procedures that used to be done at clinics by urologists and other physicians in the last years before the war. These were done in a clean & sanitary environments by health professionals who in some cases administered anasthetics. Furthermore, the procedures themselves were considered as being radical and FGM hardliners frowned upon them.


I believe they would call it "sunnah" and equate it to a blood-letting or piercing ritual instead of a serious clitorecdemy.

They do it here in the U.S. too and sometimes call it labia minora reductions or clit corrections.

Spare us the detail sxb, is there any Xalimo out there who is completely natural (not even the Sunna thing)? or is this illegal according to the teaching of the deen?

Dude, not all Somali women have had FGM done to them. Relax.

[eyes-only]

eyes-only,

What you're describing and what is commonly referred to as FGM are completely different. You're probably talking about the procedures that used to be done at clinics by urologists and other physicians in the last years before the war. These were done in a clean & sanitary environments by health professionals who in some cases administered anasthetics. Furthermore, the procedures themselves were considered as being radical and FGM hardliners frowned upon them.


I believe they would call it "sunnah" and equate it to a blood-letting or piercing ritual instead of a serious clitorecdemy.

They do it here in the U.S. too and sometimes call it labia minora reductions or clit corrections.

No it was the proper fircooni one in accordance with my grandma's wishes aun....and I felt it all. Laakin it was clean and sanitary.
I'm guessing this is probably an inappropriate level of personal information. whatever...

[Lord Diplock]

I am relaxing alluring, thank you very much.

Answer the blasted question if you can: is Sunna the least acceptable or there is nothing in the scriptures about the whole sordid thing?

Eyes only: it is okay, but you survived it and lived to tell the tale.

[HalfDzed]

LD,

There is nothing weird or unnatural about genital corrective surgeries. They have been done through out the centuries, by almost every society out there and modern medicine is no different. Its a billion dollar industry with all sorts of plastys, labia reductions and clit corrective surgeries. You'd be amazed at some of the radical stuff that are being invented to deal with an issue that was often times disregarded.

I'm sure there are girls who haven't had anything done, but that wasn't my point.

[Alluring]

eyes-only,

What you're describing and what is commonly referred to as FGM are completely different. You're probably talking about the procedures that used to be done at clinics by urologists and other physicians in the last years before the war. These were done in a clean & sanitary environments by health professionals who in some cases administered anasthetics. Furthermore, the procedures themselves were considered as being radical and FGM hardliners frowned upon them.


I believe they would call it "sunnah" and equate it to a blood-letting or piercing ritual instead of a serious clitorecdemy.

They do it here in the U.S. too and sometimes call it labia minora reductions or clit corrections.

No it was the proper fircooni one in accordance with my grandma's wishes aun....and I felt it all. Laakin it was clean and sanitary.
I'm guessing this is probably an inappropriate level of personal information. whatever...

What is fircooni?

[Lord Diplock]

eyes-only,

What you're describing and what is commonly referred to as FGM are completely different. You're probably talking about the procedures that used to be done at clinics by urologists and other physicians in the last years before the war. These were done in a clean & sanitary environments by health professionals who in some cases administered anasthetics. Furthermore, the procedures themselves were considered as being radical and FGM hardliners frowned upon them.


I believe they would call it "sunnah" and equate it to a blood-letting or piercing ritual instead of a serious clitorecdemy.

They do it here in the U.S. too and sometimes call it labia minora reductions or clit corrections.

No it was the proper fircooni one in accordance with my grandma's wishes aun....and I felt it all. Laakin it was clean and sanitary.
I'm guessing this is probably an inappropriate level of personal information. whatever...

What is fircooni?

Even I know what that means.

[Ina-Geel_Wase]

eyeys only qiratay.


next......who esle laga jaray

[eyes-only]

Alluring, I can't remember if it is type 2 or type 3 FGM...but it is when you get the proper traditional one....like they used to do back in the day....I'm guessing in Egypt.

[surrender]

This whole FGM thing is farce. I swear the name makes it sound worse than it is.

In all fairness....although the person who operated on me was a man, I don't think Somali men in general are responsible. Besides, I don't really see why people make it out like it is the most savage thing that can happen to a girl. We're all alive and well and happy aren't we? If my female ancestors went through it and survived, i don't see why I have to go around acting like I was assaulted and treated ill....the intention was good and I respect the culture. Ok, it is not a healthy thing to do to a six year old, but what the hell it happened, it was normal at the time and why should I start acting like a victim now just because I know it doesn't happen to everybody. I don't really see what the big deal is....I'm certainly not a victim.

When something is part of a culture and has been done for 100s of yrs, people will see it as normal and would say like what you wrote: We're all alive and well and happy aren't we? But that doesn’t make it all right. I watched a video of some tribe that live/lived in the rain forest of Brazil, when the child reaches at the age of puppetry, they hold huge celebration, where they take the child and pull out his/her hair on the head. Bit by bit they pull out the hair. Apparently is tradition, is been done for centuries. You can feel the child's pain as he/she screams, they are told not to cry, because that would make them weaker. You will cry just watching the video.
But then when something is new to you, you will find it weird and extreme. Like many westerners cannot get their head around the idea of FGM and would argue for days why it shouldn’t be done wilst some are arguing leave us alone is our tridition.
But we have to remember, human body is sacred and it shouldn’t be mutilated the way some African countries do to their girls. Not to mention, us (Muslims), we are advice to circumcise but never to mutilate our bodies. FGM is extreme. my class mate has done presentation on it few yrs back, I can download some of the pictures she showed us, obviously is not good to show these pictures, but walahi there is no way our religion says we should do that to our bodies. Is the most extreme FGM I yet to witness, and I cannot believe there are people out there who would say is ok for this to happen, to a child as well.
My point is, I know is has been done for hundreds of yrs and in our country, and we got through it, some more than others. But that doesn’t make it right, and it doesn’t make it normal, and if someone makes it big fuss about it I understand why. The religion is there for us, that when we gain our diin knowledge we change our lifestyle for that better. We don’t have put our children that pain, when Allah never asked us to.

[Alluring]

LD,

I wasn't trying to be funny. I have no knowledge of what this means, I grew up in a conservative household, and stuff like this was never mentioned.

[Lord Diplock]

LD,

I wasn't trying to be funny. I have no knowledge of what this means, I grew up in a conservative household, and stuff like this was never mentioned.

I also grew up in a conservative household but I heard the one word before, probably the worst form of FGM and was practised a lot in NFD. Nothing short of criminality to be honest with you.

[Alluring]

Alluring, I can't remember if it is type 2 or type 3 FGM...but it is when you get the proper traditional one....like they used to do back in the day....I'm guessing in Egypt.

I just read stuff about Type II and III long time since I have,and some evil person must have thought about this. And may HE burn in hell.

[Shirib]

Alluring, I can't remember if it is type 2 or type 3 FGM...but it is when you get the proper traditional one....like they used to do back in the day....I'm guessing in Egypt.

I just read stuff about Type II and III long time since I have,and some evil person must have thought about this. And may HE burn in hell.

what if it was a woman?