Udun- Question

[udun]

Ilaheey baan idi kuu dharshee arkaa baaal naagtan, this bastard deserves in laagaraco walaahi.

Ma dareemin buu dadku ceyn! maxaa dareen oo ledahay Majeerteen baad uu nageyn Dhulbahante sub-clans waad caayn naagnimo wale wataan Diraac soo xiro.

How many times Did I tell you this thing Hates Dhulbahante Sub-Clans? Baygirl knows what these Bakhtiland supporters and their dabo-dhilifs are thinking

this is what all the caay and bakh bakh and Dabo Dhilifnimo and Giggling for the enemy was about was about.

I would Hang this Mother Fucker and Drag him tru the streets of Lasanod.

Naa orodoo oo Buur Karoolihii aad qolka ku lahayd iskaga noqo

[KyrieJama]

Historygan aad sheegasid I would love to see with my own eyes where is it written, or Udun made it up in his brain On your comment on Garad Jama dhulbahante oo dhan ba uu yaqana garadka guud ee dhulbahante there have been squables in the past by your maxamoud garad, but he still remains the top garad im sorry

Runta hadaad doonaysid oo aan ciyaarta iyo fairytales iska dhaafno Baharsame and Ugaadhyahan are the biggest obstacles in dhulbahante unity when it comes to politics and I support mediation between these two reers as long one is Somaliland and the other is Puntland cid isku imanasya ma jiro ma fahamtay and I hope that you do want unity within reerka.

Dadka reerka ah oo somalinet ku jira waa inaan iska dhafno cayda iyo xumaanta between and have open dialogue based on discussion and understanding and not take pride making fun of tolka ama reeraha kale ee dhulbahante waa khalad, also it make us look weak.

Puntland or majeerteen members on somalinet think that SSC supported hate Puntland ama Majeerteen and I for one don't, all I want is Unity is horumar and don't belive Puntland is a option at this point.

[malakumod]

garaad

ina adeer why are you wasting your precious debating with this xawayaan. the guys is complete idiot who is utterly disgusting. he has no principles, he has no pride, no and no self respect. he suffers from a crippling inferiority complex and he has rock like chip on his shouldiers. he is full of hatred and bitterness for most of dhulbahante and as a result his willing to make up lies and fallacies no matter how disgusting it is. nothing is of limits for this creature, no the noble man of dhulbahante not the garaads (according to this sick person one die of aids and the another is an oromo ancestry.). no lie is big enough and nothing is to low for this piglet. the disgusting lies and fallacies in this thread (about baharsame) are exactly the same filthy and dirty he was throwing at JS in the previous threads (and i mean word for word). he will continue to repeat that xaar post after post. you will never get a consructive debate with this being. he wants you to insults ugadhyahaan in order to turn the whole conversation into a farce.( and your failng for it). but let me ask you a question brother is it really worth to slander a section of our people for a creature who is speaks in the third person when he is talking about dhulbahante,a being who hates (most of) dhulbahante more than any other people in somalia. the answer is NO. sxb this creature is a dirty bag, the scum of the earth and this why u should not waste your time on him

[Babygirl-]

in 1991 when we left Hamar I was f-king 4! wtf is this Khaanis talking about? Sharmuutoyinka reerkisu uumooda!

This persons inuslt from the Garaads to Noble Dhulbahante sub-clans! he wants to make Dhulbahante Prositutes for the Highest bidder we will not Except it Keep Bakhtiland & their AMxaaro Pimp in Garowe you will never be allowed in SSC, Walaahi i would shoot any supporter of Bantu-Land.

[NewHargeisaGirl]

grandpakhalif
Oldenglish ileen wuxuu ahaa sheegato, iminka waxaan ku daray lista sheegatada
1. Newhargeisagirl
2. vangand
3. Uduna there is a big question mark on him kolkaa the question is.. is he DHULOZ OR NOT DHULOZ , my dear Ilkoyar that is the question, Definitely he is Harti unlike Oldenglish waryaa do you remember the days when Ilkoyartu thought you were a sheegato but you proved otherwise

fils de putain, arrete parler de moi

[udun]

On your comment on Garad Jama dhulbahante oo dhan ba uu yaqana garadka guud ee dhulbahante there have been squables in the past by your maxamoud garad, but he still remains the top garad im sorry .

Well, it was in 1854 when Caaqil Cali Xaraan nominated Mohamud Gurey to be Garaad of Mohamud Garaad after ilma Cali Naalaye and the reigning Garaad of Dhulbahante had an issue at that time. Have you ever heard of "Garaadow Garaad kaa lihin" ? He was Mohamed Cali Naalaye who has told the reigning Garaad of Dhulbahante at that time Garaad Cali. In case you don't know Mohamed Cali is the main ancestral father of Naalaye Axmed subclan Bah Riig Haye. Mohamoud Garaad were assembled and Mohamud Gurey was crowned in a place called Dhadhiin Mohamud Garaad. This place is in the middle of the Karamaan plateau. From 1854 till today, we Ugaadhyahan have our own Garaad and that is the supreme leading Garaad for us. Other Garaados for the rest of Dhulbahante are respected for their leadership for sections of Dhulbahante ; however, we don't recognize a supreme Garaad of Dhulbahante nor Garaadka Garaadada. That one Garaad for all of reerka has ended in 1854.

Runta hadaad doonaysid oo aan ciyaarta iyo fairytales iska dhaafno Baharsame and Ugaadhyahan are the biggest obstacles in dhulbahante unity when it comes to politics and I support mediation between these two reers as long one is Somaliland and the other is Puntland cid isku imanasya ma jiro ma fahamtay and I hope that you do want unity within reerka. .

It is true Ugaadhayan and Bah Ararsame are the biggest obstancles to Dhulbahante and finding out common ground is good. However, I hope all Dhulbahante can see that we are detrimental to our own problems and that is what every Harti, Daarood, and Somali have told us to find unity and here we are squabling around and look at our situation. Unity is all but it needs honesty and not to be emotional and some groundless biases and hate. People have to be realistic if they ever want to find a common ground.

I also believe until Somalia fully rehabilitates itself, it is our best interest to be with PL. In my view, that is no-brainer. It is also a place populated by fellow Harti and Daaroods.

Dadka reerka ah oo somalinet ku jira waa inaan iska dhafno cayda iyo xumaanta between and have open dialogue based on discussion and understanding and not take pride making fun of tolka ama reeraha kale ee dhulbahante waa khalad, also it make us look weak.

I don't know if you checked who initiated it but I was not the one who was initiating it. All of my comments were giving back a response. I think some of Reerka can't tolerate a fellow Dhulbahante who doesn't fall in line with their views and therefore when someone like me comes along and express his/her view, here we have insults and profanities. I did never understand what PL has done to this people that they are all over the place.

Puntland or majeerteen members on somalinet think that SSC supported hate Puntland ama Majeerteen and I for one don't, all I want is Unity is horumar and don't belive Puntland is a option at this point.

For me, PL has our support since 80 Dhulbahante delegates participated its creation and gave their full support. These 80 delegates were Garaads, Caaqils, and intellectuals, and there has never been a place where we met and withdraw that support. I don't believe in blowing with the wind if a certain Dhulbahante politicians can't find the seats they wanted, we have to run around and form another entity. I think we are also overlooking who has caused the situation that we are in and I know who did, it is us. I can never accept blames that were thrown at fellow Majeerteens and other fellow Harti and Daarood subclans. It is us who have divided ourselves and instead of seeing and safeguarding th common interest, line-up behind whatever politician that is in our subclan and there we go with him whatever he goes. Well, we are seeing where that has taken us.

[Babygirl-]

Fellow Harti? Khaaniis Daabo weyn Cry fellow Harti and insult Dhulbahante Cadaqate trash collector Garowe kaa ah. go and collect the condoms used by Xabashi on U & your Fellow Harti.

[KyrieJama]

garaad

ina adeer why are you wasting your precious debating with this xawayaan. the guys is complete idiot who is utterly disgusting. he has no principles, he has no pride, no and no self respect. he suffers from a crippling inferiority complex and he has rock like chip on his shouldiers. he is full of hatred and bitterness for most of dhulbahante and as a result his willing to make up lies and fallacies no matter how disgusting it is. nothing is of limits for this creature, no the noble man of dhulbahante not the garaads (according to this sick person one die of aids and the another is an oromo ancestry.). no lie is big enough and nothing is to low for this piglet. the disgusting lies and fallacies in this thread (about baharsame) are exactly the same filthy and dirty he was throwing at JS in the previous threads (and i mean word for word). he will continue to repeat that xaar post after post. you will never get a consructive debate with this being. he wants to insults ugadhyahaan in order to turn whole conversation into a farce.( and your failng for it). but let me ask you a question brother is it really worth to slander a section of our people for a creature who is speaks in the third person who he is talking about dhulbahante,a being who hates (most of) dhulbahante more than any other people in somalia. the answer is NO. sxb this creature is a dirty bag, the scum of the earth and this why u should waste your time on him

Waan gartay inadeer your're right slandering a section of your people is weak and low and will not entertain comments which slander dhulbahante sub tribes anymore thanks for the advice brother.

[KyrieJama]

For me, PL has our support since 80 Dhulbahante delegates participated its creation and gave their full support. These 80 delegates were Garaads, Caaqils, and intellectuals, and there has never been a place where we met and withdraw that support. I don't believe in blowing with the wind if a certain Dhulbahante politicians can't find the seats they wanted, we have to run around and form another entity. I think we are also overlooking who has caused the situation that we are in and I know who did, it is us. I can never accept blames that were thrown at fellow Majeerteens and other fellow Harti and Daarood subclans. It is us who have divided ourselves and instead of seeing and safeguarding th common interest, line-up behind whatever politician that is in our subclan and there we go with him whatever he goes. Well, we are seeing where that has taken us.[/quote]

Most of those 80 delegates which you speak of were in attendance for the boroma conference when somaliland was built in think it 91 or 93', they signed an agreement to join somalliland, as well you are right also that we should not blame other for our internal issues. Like you said one should not blow with the wind and sign agreements with multiple states.

[udun]

Most of those 80 delegates which you speak of were in attendance for the boroma conference when somaliland was built in think it 91 or 93', they signed an agreement to join somalliland, as well you are right also that we should not blame other for our internal issues. Like you said one should not blow with the wind and sign agreements with multiple states.

Nope, those who were in the Borama were SLers and they are still in that project. There was no 80 Dhulbahante delegates who went to Borama when Egal was getting elected. They were not even more than 15 as far as I know for the simple fact that it was not intended to be a big conference. I mean come'n we were fully present in the formation of PL and had our voices and concerns heard and that can never be compared with the event in Borama.

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

Don't mind Burcogirl for her insults against the great house of Majerteen, its her iidoor side speaking.

[GENERAL_SNM]

Udun the main difference between PL and SL is that, one PL is exclusive the position of power is monopolized by a single tribe with little chance of anyone outside this tribe able to break this monopoly. With SL its different its more inclusive and with its one man one vote its a level playingfield allowing everybody the same chance. So to be engaging in any kind of conflict against your brothers inorder to defend Puntland is heavy price and considering your a second class citizen, not worth paying. I agree you should be able to exercise your own judgement in deciding who to support and I respect your decision, however in todays Somalia it has no room for idealist and dreamers, its a cut throat environment were everybody is protecting their interest. It makes no sense for you to protect someone elses interest and neglect yours in the process. You might argue that the SSC crew deep down all support SL but thats not the case they might be symathetic at best as some have ties to SL, but they are all anti succesionist. You are however on the other side of the spectrum and are clear your support is with PL whilst they only claim SSC which is to my knowledge a Dhulbahnte group. I would advice you to put Dhulbahnte interest as your number one priority.

[udun]

Udun the main difference between PL and SL is that, one PL is exclusive the position of power is monopolized by a single tribe with little chance of anyone outside this tribe able to break this monopoly. With SL its different its more inclusive and with its one man one vote its a level playingfield allowing everybody the same chance. So to be engaging in any kind of conflict against your brothers inorder to defend Puntland is heavy price and considering your a second class citizen, not worth paying. I agree you should be able to exercise your own judgement in deciding who to support and I respect your decision, however in todays Somalia it has no room for idealist and dreamers, its a cut throat environment were everybody is protecting their interest. It makes no sense for you to protect someone elses interest and neglect yours in the process. You might argue that the SSC crew deep down all support SL but thats not the case they might be symathetic at best as some have ties to SL, but they are all anti succesionist. You are however on the other side of the spectrum and are clear your support is with PL whilst they only claim SSC which is to my knowledge a Dhulbahnte group. I would advice you to put Dhulbahnte interest as your number one priority.

Generaale, how do you know they (SSC Hogaanka trick) stand for Dhulbahante's interest only ? Remember as I have explained many times they tried to get seats in SL and when the election was delayed they went to PL and when they could not get it, they started this Paltalk Political Party. Remember, they did not contend for the highest office in PL while for example man like Ilkajiir has contended to all the way to the highest office. To correct you, Dhulbahante did serve the highest office in PL and that was Mohamed Abdi Hashi. He ran for the election the second time and came 4 votes short to claim the presidency. To claim that the highest office is exclusive for an specific continuency is not the case. All of MJ Mudug (Omar Mohamud and Ibraahiino) gave their vote to Mohamed Abdi Hashi when 2 Dhulbahante and 9 Warsangeli voted against him. My views and experience within the PL system is much different than what some people are reporting. It is all internal Dhulbahante bickering that you have so many groups who are pursuing their percieved interests differently. That is all there to it.

[GENERAL_SNM]

Udun the main difference between PL and SL is that, one PL is exclusive the position of power is monopolized by a single tribe with little chance of anyone outside this tribe able to break this monopoly. With SL its different its more inclusive and with its one man one vote its a level playingfield allowing everybody the same chance. So to be engaging in any kind of conflict against your brothers inorder to defend Puntland is heavy price and considering your a second class citizen, not worth paying. I agree you should be able to exercise your own judgement in deciding who to support and I respect your decision, however in todays Somalia it has no room for idealist and dreamers, its a cut throat environment were everybody is protecting their interest. It makes no sense for you to protect someone elses interest and neglect yours in the process. You might argue that the SSC crew deep down all support SL but thats not the case they might be symathetic at best as some have ties to SL, but they are all anti succesionist. You are however on the other side of the spectrum and are clear your support is with PL whilst they only claim SSC which is to my knowledge a Dhulbahnte group. I would advice you to put Dhulbahnte interest as your number one priority.

Generaale, how do you know they (SSC Hogaanka trick) stand for Dhulbahante's interest only ? Remember as I have explained many times they tried to get seats in SL and when the election was delayed they went to PL and when they could not get it, they started this Paltalk Political Party. Remember, they did not contend for the highest office in PL while for example man like Ilkajiir has contended to all the way to the highest office. To correct you, Dhulbahante did serve the highest office in PL and that was Mohamed Abdi Hashi. He ran for the election the second time and came 4 votes short to claim the presidency. To claim that the highest office is exclusive for an specific continuency is not the case. All of MJ Mudug (Omar Mohamud and Ibraahiino) gave their vote to Mohamed Abdi Hashi when 2 Dhulbahante and 9 Warsangeli voted against him. My views and experience within the PL system is much different than what some people are reporting. It is all internal Dhulbahante bickering that you have so many groups who are pursuing their percieved interests differently. That is all there to it.

Dee sxb your avoiding a few facts. Your tribe does not have equal power with MJ within PL, and your whole voting power is equal to that of a MJ subtribe. That too me doesnt sound like a level playingfield. If you can maybe share the voting system of PL and how many votes Dhullos get compared to MJ. I think Dhulbahnte disharmoney is a factor when it comes to PL dhullo relationship but the main factor is MJ greed. They doent like sharing power and believe its their gentics to rule, this is not the right attitude simply because its the best man for the job rather then best job for our man.
As for the SSC, Im from Sool, Sanaag and Togdher or what some call cayn and haven't been invited to join this SSC thing. The only people supporting it are Dhullo and its serving to strengthen their interests. I'm not Dhulbhnte but border them and if this new unity helps them put their house in order all the best as long as it doesnt in a positive manner. All the best. Thats my attitude. You however seem to see them as more of a threat and are very hostile abti, why.
If they did join Somaliland in the future would that be a reason to go against your own people or is there more to the story then meets the eye.
Anigu I have no problem with you supporting PL or any other enterty if you feel its they best way to advance your goals.

[Executive]

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