Somali prime minister trips to Ethiopia

[Voltage]

This was Xeyle Salassie and Siad Barre when we were more of a threat to each other than today. It is called "diplomatic protocol", something not every kid who can write on the net is expected to understand.

[Bamaarn]

You can't make excuses for trash. Farmaajo has proven to be trash just like every other so called Somali leader from Abdullahi Yusuf, Riyaale, Silyaanyo, Geedi to Shariif.

You're the exception, not afraid to tell the truth. You also proved in the past that you can fight mano-a-mano, unlike the rest of the gang.

[EEGA9]

^ Laba siyaasi oo xor ah who decided to meet on there own accoord, different times.You have one country with all the balance dictating the other today, officials who cannot stand on there own two-feet and run there own nation freely without meddling from another sovereign state.

[Cali_Gaab]

Voltage, helllooooooooooooooooooo

Halkaad uu carartay? Lets not think of some excuses my friend, come back

That wasn't my rubric for traitor. That was Saado Cali's conditions concerning Siilaanyo. Also, I consider him puppet before that when he left Ethiopians in sovereign land to go all the way to Awdal.

Bac bacaac, you are a hypocrite, just face it. As far as the above comment goes, i have addressed it in the Somaliland section and we both know the outcome of that. 'When you throw enough dirt, some of it should stick' isn't going to do the job here. Not a single local has reported these over a '1000 ethiopian troops entering Awdal'. There have been suspicion but no facts. Give it a rest my friend.

[Shirib]

This was Xeyle Salassie and Siad Barre when we were more of a threat to each other than today. It is called "diplomatic protocol", something not every kid who can write on the net is expected to understand.

Get off the good shit you're on. Siyaad Barre was a freeman and a leader of a nation that could dictate something. Farmaajo can't walk outside of villa Somalia without Ugandan troops.

Ethiopia has played a huge role in the destabilization of Somalia from the day that the state failed to now, and a trip to Addis should be met with outrage.

[Khalid Ali]

Is voltage comparing Maxammad siyaad bare and Emperor Haile selassie Meeting , With farmaajo and zanawi
The only thing Farmaajo and And Siyad bare have in common is Their Name they are both called Muhammad thats about it

[Voltage]

Get off the good shit you're on. Siyaad Barre was a freeman and a leader of a nation that could dictate something. Farmaajo can't walk outside of villa Somalia without Ugandan troops.

Ethiopia has played a huge role in the destabilization of Somalia from the day that the state failed to now, and a trip to Addis should be met with outrage.

You guys are speaking like a bunch of immature kids wallahi. Somalia is a state. Ethiopia is a state. They are neighbors. The Somali government is weak, we both know. So the new Somali Prime Minister should visit certain neighboring countries and not other showing malic and enmity and adding to the list of obstacles needed to be passed to bring back the Somali state? Have you not learned anything from Wikileaks. Ethiopia was not thrilled about invading Somalia in 2006. US and Jendayi Frazer forced him and Zenewi who was facing internal pressure needed the West to turn around while he put down the rising public challenge to him particularly from CUD and Amhara in Addis. If you want to blame someone for the invasion and deaths of Somalis in the 2006 invasion, blame US where you live and apparently you have no problem funding and being the patron of this TFG>

[Voltage]

Is voltage comparing Maxammad siyaad bare and Emperor Haile selassie Meeting , With farmaajo and zanawi
The only thing Farmaajo and And Siyad bare have in common is Their Name they are both called Muhammad thats about it

Dadkaan caqliga wax ka wada gaaray. No one is comparing. All I am doing is diplomatic protocol forces enemies to be civil with each other on official terms. It is why Ahmedinejad can come to New York and spew his rhetoric at one of the most prestigious American universities, Columbia, while protected by US Secret Service. It is why Haile Salassie came to Somalia and shook hands with Siad Barre whose country went to war against him in 1964, who had a strict pan-Somali ideology, and who was funding and supporting rebels within Ethiopia at that same time.

Not everything is black and white as you kids like to paint on cyber forums.

[Shirib]

Get off the good shit you're on. Siyaad Barre was a freeman and a leader of a nation that could dictate something. Farmaajo can't walk outside of villa Somalia without Ugandan troops.

Ethiopia has played a huge role in the destabilization of Somalia from the day that the state failed to now, and a trip to Addis should be met with outrage.

You guys are speaking like a bunch of immature kids wallahi. Somalia is a state. Ethiopia is a state. They are neighbors. The Somali government is weak, we both know. So the new Somali Prime Minister should visit certain neighboring countries and not other showing malic and enmity and adding to the list of obstacles needed to be passed to bring back the Somali state? Have you not learned anything from Wikileaks. Ethiopia was not thrilled about invading Somalia in 2006. US and Jendayi Frazer forced him and Zenewi who was facing internal pressure needed the West to turn around while he put down the rising public challenge to him particularly from CUD and Amhara in Addis. If you want to blame someone for the invasion and deaths of Somalis in the 2006 invasion, blame US where you live and apparently you have no problem funding and being the patron of this TFG>

Wikileaks said US paid for it, Zenawi wanted to go, no one forced him. He could have said no, so don't try to make America the scape goat. And don't make it sound like Ethiopia's interference in Somali accords started in 2006, they've been meddling in Somali affairs for a long time, and have been the key antagonist country. If the PM was a man who was capable of reaching his own decisions then I would welcome his visit, but the guy isn't free to say anything. He can't even walk in his own capital city without foreign troops, so stop the BS that its an alright diplomatic visit. Ethiopia is doing the same thing to him, which they were doing to his predecessors. Don't try to make the situation seem as if Farmaajo is a capable man meeting Ethiopia on equal terms, cause that's the last thing it is. And if there is a country that has been meddling in Somali affairs more than Ethiopia please come forward and say so, if not get outta here with the fairy tale that you are trying to convince yourself of

[Shirib]

Is voltage comparing Maxammad siyaad bare and Emperor Haile selassie Meeting , With farmaajo and zanawi
The only thing Farmaajo and And Siyad bare have in common is Their Name they are both called Muhammad thats about it

Dadkaan caqliga wax ka wada gaaray. No one is comparing. All I am doing is diplomatic protocol forces enemies to be civil with each other on official terms. It is why Ahmedinejad can come to New York and spew his rhetoric at one of the most prestigious American universities, Columbia, while protected by US Secret Service. It is why Haile Salassie came to Somalia and shook hands with Siad Barre whose country went to war against him in 1964, who had a strict pan-Somali ideology, and who was funding and supporting rebels within Ethiopia at that same time.

Not everything is black and white as you kids like to paint on cyber forums.

you're the fool here, u can't compare Farmaajo to those world leaders. Siyaad Barre ruled Somalia, Ahmedinejad is the President of Iran. What does Farmaajo rule?

[Voltage]

Wikileaks said US paid for it, Zenawi wanted to go, no one forced him. He could have said no, so don't try to make America the scape goat. And don't make it sound like Ethiopia's interference in Somali accords started in 2006, they've been meddling in Somali affairs for a long time, and have been the key antagonist country. If the PM was a man who was capable of reaching his own decisions then I would welcome his visit, but the guy isn't free to say anything. He can't even walk in his own capital city without foreign troops, so stop the BS that its an alright diplomatic visit. Ethiopia is doing the same thing to him, which they were doing to his predecessors. Don't try to make the situation seem as if Farmaajo is a capable man meeting Ethiopia on equal terms, cause that's the last thing it is. And if there is a country that has been meddling in Somali affairs more than Ethiopia please come forward and say so, if not get outta here with the fairy tale that you are trying to convince yourself of

What are you arguing about? Wallahi I don't get. What are you exactly arguing about? Did Voltage say Farmaajo or TFG is/are an independent entities capable of walking outside without AMISOM protection? Did Voltage say Ethiopia is not an enemy of Somalia or that Zenewi might have been motivated even by Ethiopian history to invade? I said none of those...but since you said it, how could a TFG president or prime minister, refuse diplomatic protocol and snub one of our neighbors while visitng others? How could Sheikh Sharif who was part of the ICU leadership that fought against Ethiopia and for years after that planned anti-Ethiopian invasion political moves from Eritrea and Djibouti be any more "Ethiopian-loving" than say you? How is his following of diplomatic protocol be construed as such? The Saudi king invites Ahmedinejad to Saudi and kisses him while privately telling US to cut off his snake. My point is ciyaal baad tahay who have a misinformed interpretation or understanding about the running and functioning of a state or government apparatus. These matters are not as easy as you getting up and choosing to go to the bathroom or not.

p.s. As for Farmaajo's stance against Ethiopian political interference, I think his Master's Thesis said more than enough.

[Voltage]

you're the fool here, u can't compare Farmaajo to those world leaders. Siyaad Barre ruled Somalia, Ahmedinejad is the President of Iran. What does Farmaajo rule?

Goodness gracious, I am done man. I didn't know we were playing a game about symbolism rather than the nuances of diplomatic protocol between modern states.

[Murax]

What I cannot understand until now is Why people keep bringing all these mutually exclusive elements together to support their case, when if anything it is detrimental to their case. I keep hearing: "Somalia is weak so they should not visit Ethiopia".


So in essence if You are a weak, inept Government You should duck out and ignore all International Protocol. You are a Transitional Government yet should not try to mimic what other established Governments do. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever. What Individuals should be judged on is POLICY and Legaslation not which one of their neighbors Countries they visit. Iraq which is a extremely weak Country today visits Iran, are they getting instruction and orders from Iran? I guarantee You if they have a Sunni leader He would do the same thing. I never dismissed criticism of this Farmaajo dude, and never jumped in the middle of anyone bashing the TFG, but this whole arguement is so stupid and ridiculous and I have not seen anyone bring anything to substantiate these Reer Baadiye views except hot air and emotion.


Fyi,

The whole world breaks down into powerful and weak, people who are ordered and people who are not. Rest assured when all the worlds heads of states get together, theres a good chance one is in a position of strength over the other especially with Countries in the same region. Waa la kala sareeya and thats just the way the world works. Now I'm not saying that is what is happening with Farmaajo and Meles but even if it is that is still not a good enough reason to dismiss all International Protocol and Norms and not visit the damn Country


You Guys shot Yourselves in the foot with Your own guns.

[EEGA9]

No one said Farmaajo should not visit Ethiopia, its the nature of the visit.The 2006 Invasion of Somalia worked for both the TPLF and the U.S, but the TPLF need an "Alqeada Somalia" or a "Terrorist Eritrea" or the "Nile issue", its all about self-preservation for them they need these issues to distract attention from there internal problems.Meles strategically fashioned himself as a mecenary for the U.S to preserve his regime and keep Somalia embroiled in conflict so he may be the unchallenged decision-maker of the Horn.The TFG should engage with Ethiopia but they cannot continue to read there political script from Addis ababa.

[Coeus]

You can't make excuses for trash. Farmaajo has proven to be trash just like every other so called Somali leader from Abdullahi Yusuf, Riyaale, Silyaanyo, Geedi to Shariif. God bless Maxamed Siyaad Barre. Wax qadiyad laheen ayuu wadanka ka haye.