Busting the myth of secular islam

[BlackVelvet]

So BV do you have a problem with the xuduud Allah SWT has ordained for us or the ayah on jihad ? You are really confused.

I didn't say that and no I don't have a problem and I am not confused, like I said I can just see the obvious reasons why people would be oppossed to the miliant aspects and harsher punishments of Shari'a being implemented.

[grandpakhalif]

So BV do you have a problem with the xuduud Allah SWT has ordained for us or the ayah on jihad ? You are really confused.

I didn't say that and no I don't have a problem and I am not confused, like I said I can just see the obvious reasons why people would be oppossed to the miliant aspects and harsher punishments of Shari'a being implemented.

So you sympathise with those who are skeptical of xuduud ? Because it seems a little 'harsh'? Whatever happened to pleasing your Lord. Sharica is one if some people attempt to remove xuduud than they are questioning Allah's law.

[BlackVelvet]

So BV do you have a problem with the xuduud Allah SWT has ordained for us or the ayah on jihad ? You are really confused.

I didn't say that and no I don't have a problem and I am not confused, like I said I can just see the obvious reasons why people would be oppossed to the miliant aspects and harsher punishments of Shari'a being implemented.

So you sympathise with those who are skeptical of xuduud ? Because it seems a little 'harsh'? Whatever happened to pleasing your Lord. Sharica is one if some people attempt to remove xuduud than they are questioning Allah's law.

That is the problem. If Shari'a is to be used as a form of governance you need to be able to question it, change it, adapt it as new situations arise. You can't make rules arbitrary and then say that questioning it is questioning Allah. I've heard Sheikhs speak on this issue and they generally agree that Shari'a is a changing thing and not so static but even you are trying to use it to make me, and anyone who questions any aspect of it, appear blasphemous and that is not the case. You need people who do not have ulterior, political motives to actually implement these laws which can help create a beautifl society but not one where people constantly live in fear of coming across as an apostate and then being killed. Shari'a is not the kind of thing you can or should force upon anyone, people will bring it about when they're ready. Shouting about how we have to have it won't make anyone thrilled about the idea.

[ibrahimcw]

That is the problem. If Shari'a is to be used as a form of governance you need to be able to question it, change it, adapt it as new situations arise.

no you cant change sharia, you cant change the law of allah (swt), and this law is not only for governance but covers a complete way of life

[Arabmaan]

no you cant change sharia, you cant change the law of allah (swt), and this law is not only for governance but covers a complete way of life

Well said.

[grandpakhalif]

Subxanallah change sharia ? I can no longer debate with you

[BlackVelvet]

Subxanallah change sharia ? I can no longer debate with you

Look at you acting like there is only one punishment for every crime, do you even understand what it is you are fighting for? And don't be a hypocrite, how will you react when I bring up MSB and how he changed Shari'a? Which part of your personality will take centre stage? Die hard forum jihaadist or die hard Siyaadist?

[grandpakhalif]

Subxanallah change sharia ? I can no longer debate with you

Look at you acting like there is only one punishment for every crime, do you even understand what it is you are fighting for? And don't be a hypocrite, how will you react when I bring up MSB and how he changed Shari'a? Which part of your personality will take centre stage? Die hard forum jihaadist or die hard Siyaadist?

Actually you can ask Shirib and qoraxeey on my stance when Siyaad tried that. I am no hypocrite.

[BlackVelvet]

Really?

Good for you, keep going marka though you seriously need to turn down on the holier than thou trip you're on

[grandpakhalif]

Nah, I no longer deem it necessary to debate with someone who thinks sharia is subjective to man made societies.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

If correctly used, there is no governance on this earth that is more just or fair than Shariica.

[BlackVelvet]

Nah, I no longer deem it necessary to debate with someone who thinks sharia is subjective to man made societies.

I meant keep searching for enlightenment, you are in dire need.

If correctly used, there is no governance on this earth that is more just or fair than Shariica.

[Addoow]

Many people on this site claim to be 'secular muslims' and I was quite annoyed by their assertion that Islam and governance are completely separate. This is nothing but a myth posed by the western elite to water down Islam and change muslim society so it will become more accepting to their sick lifestyle. Indeed many here advocate that 'rotten' wadaads will always be present when it comes to political Islam. This is nothing but a fallacy which is used as an excuse by secularists to hide their sinister views on Islam. Belief in the supremacy of shareeca law is part and parcel of a muslim's faith as it cements full trust in Allah and his messenger. If you waver from this you are truly a lost cause. Now some here will argue that Al shabab and the Taliban version of sharia law is barbaric, draconian and illegitimate in 21st century world. When these two groups administer xuduud they do it in a very brash way. They don't consider the hadiths of the Prophet Muhammad in which he declared that four witnesses must be present in order to administer such xuduud. They also didn't take into consideration the xuduud of leniency where those who stole out of poverty should be forgiven. Therefore Al shabab and the Taliban are promoting an flawed form of shareeca law and cannot be used as an example. The west are also promoting a version of Islam which even some muslims are falling for, "Islam=Peace" this is partially correct but Islam also means submission, the west simply wants to get rid of the jihad aspect so we can easily submit to them.Islam is carved in granite, just the way it was. No change is possible. Allah’s Qur’an is a sealed volume. So when Allah says, Qur’an:2:216 “Jihad [holy fighting in Allah's Cause] is ordained for you [Muslims], though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.” [Another translation reads]: “Warfare is ordained for you.” We must abide by it and listen to our Lord no matter what the west says.These secular Muslims are not Muslims who have accepted the peaceful aspects and rejected the militant aspects of Islam, because by rejecting any part of the Qur’an amounts to rejecting the Word of Allah, and that is blasphemy, and the penalty is death.So taking this into consideration, either a Muslim accepts the whole of Islam or he is an apostate. Secular muslim=false muslim.

Excuse me are you not the guy who openly supported the apostate Group called ASWJ? The Tigre loving puppet Group? oh,the irony of this thread.

[melo]

One Quranic verse smashes this myth

" And whoever doesn't rule by what Allah has revealed, then they are disbelievers"

Excuse me are you not the guy who openly supported the apostate Group called ASWJ? The Tigre loving puppet Group? oh,the irony of this thread.

ASWJ are apostates now? Let me guess.. you are a shabaabi fanatic. If anyone was fighting Jihaad in Somalia intially, it was ASWJ who defended themselves from the savegry of Shabaab. Al-shabaab see a hadith (Nabi saws telling Cali to smash graves) and are so eager to apply it, without wisdom. This is the problem with neo-khawaarij groups. They know the Quran and hadith, but they lack any wisdom.

[grandpakhalif]

BV, lol, im sure I don't need secular funded enlightenment.

Adoow xaa sheegtay sxb, Suufiyada wa dad diinta jecel