XAMAR - FEBRUARY 2011

[melo]

And what are the percentages of the clans in Xamar? How you going to tell Habargidir that their input isn't as important with respect to xamar, when their influence over the past 20 years till today in that area is known? You'd just lead to chaos. The fact that Abgaal could not dislodge Habargidir out of their own city attests to the fact that they have to be given a big say in what happens.

[abgaalKING]

The fact that HG lives in xamar does not make their own degaan.somali is tribal society and every tribe has his own degaan.Habargdir who live in hamar has the same rights as the daarood who live there.remember the majority of hamar inhabitants were daaroods in 1980s and it didnt make hamar a daarood city.

[melo]

The fact that HG lives in xamar does not make their own degaan.somali is tribal society and every tribe has his own degaan.Habargdir who live in hamar has the same rights as the daarood who live there.remember the majority of hamar inhabitants were daaroods in 1980s and it didnt make hamar a daarood city.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

.remember the majority of hamar inhabitants were daaroods in 1980s and it didnt make hamar a daarood city.

this is most stupid think i ever heard. waryaa fake abgaalman, its seems to me you never ever been xamar. i known mogadishu and its 16 xaafado in 1980s like i know members of my family.

haddii aad dhihi laheeyd qabiilada from OTHERS are majorty in mogadishu, then it may sound little bit wax la rumeysan karo, lakiiin darood wa majorty before 1990 in mogadishu waa wax lagu qoslo xaqiiiqdii.

1980s xaadafaha mogadishu was like this

WARDHIIGLEEEY= abgaaal, habargedir and murusade and others was majorty, from xamar jadiid to near wadada warshada there was darood who were living among overwhelming non daroods.

yaaqshiiid= 90% abgaal and rest hawiyes others and maybe 1% darood and isaaaqs
Boondheere= majorty JAREER WEYNE second abgaaal, third; others reer xamar cad cad and hawiyes
xamarweyne= majorty reer xamarka cad cad , shaanshi, jareer weyne and others
shingaani= majorty reer xamarka cad cad
cabdicasiis= abgaal+shekhaal, majeerteen and reer xamarka cad cad, other hawiyes
hawlwadaag=darooods habargedir, others and abgaal, other hawiyes
hodan= daroods, abgaal and others and iljeex, kaasa bobolaare=isaaaq
WAABERI= mix jareer weyne, reer xamar and abgaal
xamar jajab= majeerteen abgaal hawiye, jareer weyne
madiina= abgaal jufadda daauud majorty, mareexaan, and other hawiyes, and other daroods
huriwaa= iljeex, darood and hawiye
kaaraan= abgaaal 90%
shibis= yemeni cad cad and abgaal majorty

marka xaafad waliba xamar waxaa u badnaa hawiye siiba abgaal waa first qabiiil second waa others , waxaa ku sii xiga hawiye, waxaa ugu danbeeya darood and isaaqs.
inkastoo daroodka ka badnaa isaaqa hadana daroodka waxaa wax baddan ka badnaa dadka loo yaqaan otherska magaalada mogadishu.

[King-of-Awdal]

This is quite shocking but i actually Kinda agree with Shirib on This. Why would he share his home while other's get to keep their Home just as their's. Yes the City is the Capital but Somali=Tribe and in that sense the City belongs to his people. If you wanna share his Pie than you better share your's too.

[Archerr]

How can the capital city belong to anyone? Xamar does not even belong to the mentioned tribes. The idea that the capital city where government after government spent public money on belongs to a specific section of the Somali population is rediclous.

[greenday]

.remember the majority of hamar inhabitants were daaroods in 1980s and it didnt make hamar a daarood city.

this is most stupid think i ever heard. waryaa fake abgaalman, its seems to me you never ever been xamar. i known mogadishu and its 16 xaafado in 1980s like i know members of my family.

haddii aad dhihi laheeyd qabiilada from OTHERS are majorty in mogadishu, then it may sound little bit wax la rumeysan karo, lakiiin darood wa majorty before 1990 in mogadishu waa wax lagu qoslo xaqiiiqdii.

1980s xaadafaha mogadishu was like this

WARDHIIGLEEEY= abgaaal, habargedir and murusade and others was majorty, from xamar jadiid to near wadada warshada there was darood who were living among overwhelming non daroods.

yaaqshiiid= 90% abgaal and rest hawiyes others and maybe 1% darood and isaaaqs
Boondheere= majorty JAREER WEYNE second abgaaal, third; others reer xamar cad cad and hawiyes
xamarweyne= majorty reer xamarka cad cad , shaanshi, jareer weyne and others
shingaani= majorty reer xamarka cad cad
cabdicasiis= abgaal+shekhaal, majeerteen and reer xamarka cad cad, other hawiyes
hawlwadaag=darooods habargedir, others and abgaal, other hawiyes
hodan= daroods, abgaal and others and iljeex, kaasa bobolaare=isaaaq
WAABERI= mix jareer weyne, reer xamar and abgaal
xamar jajab= majeerteen abgaal hawiye, jareer weyne
madiina= abgaal jufadda daauud majorty, mareexaan, and other hawiyes, and other daroods
huriwaa= iljeex, darood and hawiye
kaaraan= abgaaal 90%
shibis= yemeni cad cad and abgaal majorty

marka xaafad waliba xamar waxaa u badnaa hawiye siiba abgaal waa first qabiiil second waa others , waxaa ku sii xiga hawiye, waxaa ugu danbeeya darood and isaaqs.
inkastoo daroodka ka badnaa isaaqa hadana daroodka waxaa wax baddan ka badnaa dadka loo yaqaan otherska magaalada mogadishu.

What about today who lives where?

[Shirib]

This is quite shocking but i actually Kinda agree with Shirib on This. Why would he share his home while other's get to keep their Home just as their's. Yes the City is the Capital but Somali=Tribe and in that sense the City belongs to his people. If you wanna share his Pie than you better share your's too.

You would think I'm asking for something that is out of this world. All I want is the same thing they want. They want to be able to rule their own degaans, with their own people. But when I ask for the same, they say NOOO, we want to rule their too. They want whats theirs to be theirs and whats mine to be theirs also

[HalfBked]

This is quite shocking but i actually Kinda agree with Shirib on This. Why would he share his home while other's get to keep their Home just as their's. Yes the City is the Capital but Somali=Tribe and in that sense the City belongs to his people. If you wanna share his Pie than you better share your's too.

You would think I'm asking for something that is out of this world. All I want is the same thing they want. They want to be able to rule their own degaans, with their own people. But when I ask for the same, they say NOOO, we want to rule their too. They want whats theirs to be theirs and whats mine to be theirs also

Shirib I'm with you on this one.

Let the indigenous populations of Banaadir rule their lands and everyone else should return to the desolate & dusty villages they came from i.e. central Somalia.

Vive geledi & shaanshi!

If and when Somalia gets back on its feet, I will present to the government an ingenious relocation program for the country. Everyone who hasn't had an ancestoral home in a city for the last 50 years will be sent back to their clan's region, regardless of any fictitious claims to the city they currently inhabit, unless they provide legitimate land acquisition documents. For once, I want to return to my Marka and swim in its ocean without feeling like I'm in Gaalkacyo/Gelinsoor/Ceel-Dheer/Wabxo. Tuug kasto mininkiisa ha lagu celiyo. Same goes for Kismaayo, I want to see some Baajuunis for a change, lamagoodle bustiina ku noqda, ummada mininkooda uga baxa.

[King-of-Awdal]

How can the capital city belong to anyone? Xamar does not even belong to the mentioned tribes. The idea that the capital city where government after government spent public money on belongs to a specific section of the Somali population is rediclous.

If a City doesn't belong to anyone than who does it belong to? Enlighten us on the Tribe's the city belong's to?

[King-of-Awdal]

This is quite shocking but i actually Kinda agree with Shirib on This. Why would he share his home while other's get to keep their Home just as their's. Yes the City is the Capital but Somali=Tribe and in that sense the City belongs to his people. If you wanna share his Pie than you better share your's too.

You would think I'm asking for something that is out of this world. All I want is the same thing they want. They want to be able to rule their own degaans, with their own people. But when I ask for the same, they say NOOO, we want to rule their too. They want whats theirs to be theirs and whats mine to be theirs also

Shirib I'm with you on this one.

Let the indigenous populations of Banaadir rule their lands and everyone else should return to the desolate & dusty villages they came from i.e. central Somalia.

Vive geledi & shaanshi!

If and when Somalia gets back on its feet, I will present to the government an ingenious relocation program for the country. Everyone who hasn't had an ancestoral home in a city for the last 50 years will be sent back to their clan's region, regardless of any fictitious claims to the city they currently inhabit, unless they provide legitimate land acquisition documents. For once, I want to return to my Marka and swim in its ocean without feeling like I'm in Gaalkacyo/Gelinsoor/Ceel-Dheer/Wabxo. Tuug kasto mininkiisa ha lagu celiyo. Same goes for Kismaayo, I want to see some Baajuunis for a change, lamagoodle bustiina ku noqda, ummada mininkooda uga baxa.

If Say 50 Year's than every Clan that Shirib has mentioned were there by that time.

Shirib

Some in here have made it clear. They wanna Share your house and wife with you but than not to share their's. Kinda Hypocritical if u ask.

[abgaalKING]

You cant argue with some folks here..they go by the dead and old philosophy" waxeyga anaa leh kaagana kula lihi" which doesnt work in the 21 first century where people are more educated and conscious of their rights.lets share the whole country otherwise lets not share it at all and go our seperate ways.if a CITY X belongs to a specific people cuz it lies in thier tribal territories then by the same argument hamar is not exception.


yalaxow

thanks for your input.

[HalfBked]

KOA - its fine if the mentioned clans remain in these regions, provided they didn't acquire these regions free-riding the late 80s/90s influx in to these regions and after the war. Furthermore, civil authority heads should be selected based on merit, not on clan affiliation, I'm a staunch supporter of diversity and an opponent to selective-breeding. This notion that Mogadishu belongs to one, single clan is rather simplistic, historically - Banadir as a whole belongs to the "minority" and indigenous clans, including Shirib's people and others who either fled or were forcefully removed. Today's demographics indicate the city is predominantly Hawiye, but does this mean its their city? Its the same when Daarood claim Kismaayo, it doesn't belong to them, the city is an old, Baajuuni town - there's plenty of written history to back-up these facts.

I'm hoping we can one day have diverse and dynamic cities inclusive of everyone, not just Somalis either, maybe some day we'll even have Arab populations and other nationalities. Naive of me? Maybe, but I'd like to be optimistic when it comes to my country and the clan-obsessed mentality doesn't really help anyone, it only fuels division and hatered, besides its indicitive of sheer ignorance and incompetence as an individual

[greenday]

KOA - its fine if the mentioned clans remain in these regions, provided they didn't acquire these regions free-riding the late 80s/90s influx in to these regions and after the war. Furthermore, civil authority heads should be selected based on merit, not on clan affiliation, I'm a staunch supporter of diversity and an opponent to selective-breeding. This notion that Mogadishu belongs to one, single clan is rather simplistic, historically - Banadir as a whole belongs to the "minority" and indigenous clans, including Shirib's people and others who either fled or were forcefully removed. Today's demographics indicate the city is predominantly Hawiye, but does this mean its their city? Its the same when Daarood claim Kismaayo, it doesn't belong to them, the city is an old, Baajuuni town - there's plenty of written history to back-up these facts.

I'm hoping we can one day have diverse and dynamic cities inclusive of everyone, not just Somalis either, maybe some day we'll even have Arab populations and other nationalities. Naive of me? Maybe, but I'd like to be optimistic when it comes to my country and the clan-obsessed mentality doesn't really help anyone, it only fuels division and hatered, besides its indicitive of sheer ignorance and incompetence as an individual

Sharing is caring dheh. We need to mix.

[HalfBked]

KOA - its fine if the mentioned clans remain in these regions, provided they didn't acquire these regions free-riding the late 80s/90s influx in to these regions and after the war. Furthermore, civil authority heads should be selected based on merit, not on clan affiliation, I'm a staunch supporter of diversity and an opponent to selective-breeding. This notion that Mogadishu belongs to one, single clan is rather simplistic, historically - Banadir as a whole belongs to the "minority" and indigenous clans, including Shirib's people and others who either fled or were forcefully removed. Today's demographics indicate the city is predominantly Hawiye, but does this mean its their city? Its the same when Daarood claim Kismaayo, it doesn't belong to them, the city is an old, Baajuuni town - there's plenty of written history to back-up these facts.

I'm hoping we can one day have diverse and dynamic cities inclusive of everyone, not just Somalis either, maybe some day we'll even have Arab populations and other nationalities. Naive of me? Maybe, but I'd like to be optimistic when it comes to my country and the clan-obsessed mentality doesn't really help anyone, it only fuels division and hatered, besides its indicitive of sheer ignorance and incompetence as an individual

Sharing is caring dheh. We need to mix.

Saas waaye, yaakhee.

We need to evolve as a people and stop worshiping dead ancestors who barely accomplished much by today's standards.