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[Kukri]

You can add Axmed diriye to that list. And the late Cumar faaruuq.

Mentioning those two noble men above in the same breath as al-shabaab and TFG and the likes of sharif is blasphemy itself.

[melo]

You can add Axmed diriye to that list. And the late Cumar faaruuq.

Mentioning those two noble men above in the same breath as al-shabaab and TFG and the likes of sharif is blasphemy itself.

lol sxb, i just realized that when i edited it, i placed Axmed diriye and Sheikh Cumar Faaruq right after when i was speaking about TFG. Wrong placing. I meant to put them alongside the two men i mentioned previously.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

^ who do you support? most of your posts indicates to be pro-shabaab/aweys.

I don't support any group operating at a national scale in Somalia. I think they are all messed up in their own ways. Al-shabaab don't follow Islamic regulations properly, and TFG/Sufi alliance are dhabodhilffis. If i were to rank them, I'd rank Shabaab first as they are closest to the Haqq. If they drop their khaariji manhaj and start following Islamic law properly, they would have my support.

Ok then we both agree that they are khawaarij(=thus apostates)
According to the hadith khawarij are murtaddiin, if that wasnt the case would prophet PBUH say:
I would kill them [if I met them] like the people of Ad.


Or:
They will pass through the religion (of Islam) like the arrow passes through its quarry

[melo]

^ who do you support? most of your posts indicates to be pro-shabaab/aweys.

I don't support any group operating at a national scale in Somalia. I think they are all messed up in their own ways. Al-shabaab don't follow Islamic regulations properly, and TFG/Sufi alliance are dhabodhilffis. If i were to rank them, I'd rank Shabaab first as they are closest to the Haqq. If they drop their khaariji manhaj and start following Islamic law properly, they would have my support.

Ok then we both agree that they are khawaarij(=thus apostates)
According to the hadith khawarij are murtaddiin, if that wasnt the case would prophet PBUH say:
I would kill them [if I met them] like the people of Ad.


Or:
They will pass through the religion (of Islam) like the arrow passes through its quarry

No, not every khaariji is a kaafir. This is not the interpertation of Sunni Muslims. No one calls the ibaadis kaafirs, and no one, not even the najid salafi scholars who called bin laden a khaariji, ever said he was a kaafir. They are an extreme sect like the Shiicas, but you just can't throw one label at everyone in this.

Interesting point- Imaam Bukhaari narrated XADITH from the khaarijities. That should tell you something.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Its a matter of interpretation.
Ibadis stopped behaving like khaawarij centuries ago.
The khawarij mentioned in hadith regard themselves as muslims (others are disbelievers, they believed Ali r.a, Uthman r.a, Muawiya r.a were apostates), and they shed the blood of muslims.
Every sect who holds such faith can become khawaarij.


Shabab and alqeada fits this description. They think of themselves as the only muslims, anyone who dares them is kaafir billaah.
Cuz of that, i dont believe in their islaamnimo. If they were muslims, it wouldnt be allowed for us to slaughter them.

[melo]

Its a matter of interpretation.
Ibadis stopped behaving like khaawarij centuries ago.
The khawarij mentioned in hadith regard themselves as muslims (others are disbelievers, they believed Ali r.a, Uthman r.a, Muawiya r.a were apostates), and they shed the blood of muslims.
Every sect who holds such faith can become khawaarij.


Shabab and alqeada fits this description. They think of themselves as the only muslims, anyone who dares them is kaafir billaah.
Cuz of that, i dont believe in their islaamnimo. If they were muslims, it wouldnt be allowed for us to slaughter them.

I think thats propaganda being spread by their detractors. Shabaab do not think everyone who disagrees with them as kaafirs. This is a lie. Osama bin laden NEVER EVER accused Ibn baaz of kufr, although some other khaarijis did. Similarly, you dont head Godane calling Sheikh Umal a kaafir. So again, this is propaganda.

I think they have khaariji tendencies, in respect of the fact that they think its xalaal to blow up graduation ceremonies etc to get one "taghut". All they think about is the end goal. They also believe that the non combatants of enemy states cannot be considered non combatants (like uganda) and hence can be attacked. This is khaarijism.

[waayeel101]

subxanallah.

allah yikhrib baytakum ya kufar

[union]

Melo


You seem to be so absorbed with the achievements of past foreign empires that you’ve left the confines of reality.

The reality today is that there is nobody capable of implementing shariah in a just way, and that people have grown extremely wary of such attempts. Whenever a group implements shariah it inevitably focus on barbarous acts like stoning countless women and cutting off limbs instead of dealing with the more pressing issues of the society. I suppose that you have a right to run your gaping mouth from the security of whatever secular democracy you have sought refuge, but the people of southern Somalia are enamored with shariah no more.

[union]

This nigga is calling me brainwashed but here he is putting Arab civilizations on a pedestal and making cyber sajuud to them. Somalis are peaceful sufis who aren’t interested in global conquest, not that its even possible anymore, and nor are we interested in a massive nanny state that infringes on our nomadic independence.

[union]

Union: Our primary purpose of existence is to worship Allah SWT. Our primary existence is not to chase material things. How then, can you worship Allah SWT, when you reject his laws, calling them unimplementable, and doubt his explicit statements in the Quran?

Who is defying his laws? If I fulfill my religious rites, who am I to force others to do the same? It's their choice whether or not they want to follow God's law. If God wanted us to be forced to worship him, it would defeat the whole purpose of the test, yea?

[melo]

The reality today is that there is nobody capable of implementing shariah in a just way, and that people have grown extremely wary of such attempts.

First off, i do agree, but that does not mean you rid Shariica out of existence. You educate, over decades, maybe even centuries, untill Islamic society has matured enough to reintroduce Shariica. Our God (well my god, maybe not yours) says in the Quran that Islaam will reign supreme over all other ways of life, and that falsehood by its nature will eventually disappear. Our prophet saws said Islaam would dominate the world after falling. Do you belie these statements? If you don't, then stop claiming that its unattainable. It will happen, with or without your help. Allah swt promised it.

Secondly, you consider legislated punishments (their implementation is another matter altogether) barbaric. I will end the discussion there. I think your nifaaq has been exposed for all to see. May God guide you and all of us.

[melo]

This nigga is calling me brainwashed but here he is putting Arab civilizations on a pedestal and making cyber sajuud to them. Somalis are peaceful sufis who aren’t interested in global conquest, not that its even possible anymore, and nor are we interested in a massive nanny state that infringes on our nomadic independence.

Not brainwashed, but mentally defeated. You will always be a monkey to them Union. Doesn't matter how you speak, or how you dress. Just a zoomali monkey.

[union]

This nigga is calling me brainwashed but here he is putting Arab civilizations on a pedestal and making cyber sajuud to them. Somalis are peaceful sufis who aren’t interested in global conquest, not that its even possible anymore, and nor are we interested in a massive nanny state that infringes on our nomadic independence.

Not brainwashed, but mentally defeated. You will always be a monkey to them Union. Doesn't matter how you speak, or how you dress. Just a zoomali monkey.

And are you not a monkey for the Arabs? Feeling nostalgic for their past achievements, lamenting their current decline?
There is no such thing as an Ummah as of today, and each country cares only for its own interests. I am sorry to tell you, but you weren't born an Arab scholar of the 10th century. Come to terms with factual reality and get with the program you fool.

[grandpakhalif]

This nigga is calling me brainwashed but here he is putting Arab civilizations on a pedestal and making cyber sajuud to them. Somalis are peaceful sufis who aren’t interested in global conquest, not that its even possible anymore, and nor are we interested in a massive nanny state that infringes on our nomadic independence.

Not brainwashed, but mentally defeated. You will always be a monkey to them Union. Doesn't matter how you speak, or how you dress. Just a zoomali monkey.

Spot on.

[melo]

This nigga is calling me brainwashed but here he is putting Arab civilizations on a pedestal and making cyber sajuud to them. Somalis are peaceful sufis who aren’t interested in global conquest, not that its even possible anymore, and nor are we interested in a massive nanny state that infringes on our nomadic independence.

Not brainwashed, but mentally defeated. You will always be a monkey to them Union. Doesn't matter how you speak, or how you dress. Just a zoomali monkey.

And are you not a monkey for the Arabs? Feeling nostalgic for their past achievements, lamenting their current decline?
There is no such thing as an Ummah as of today, and each country cares only for its own interests. I am sorry to tell you, but you weren't born an Arab scholar of the 10th century. Come to terms with factual reality and get with the program you fool.

At least the Arab Umayyads and Abbasids believed in Allah. At least they implemented Islaam. At lease they promoted and spread Islaam. If it weren't for the Arabs, you would be worshipping the sun. Take the good from the Arabs and leave the bad. If you think praising their achievements with respect to establishing Islaam as a global empire is worship, then God help you. You on the other hand worship Cadaan kaafirs. Perhaps you should read up on the origins of secularlism and liberalism.

Finally, if you want to have a proper discussion union, youre going to have to learn not to conflate terms. All the countries you mentioned were CAPITALIST. Sacuudi Arabia can be considered capitalist, and they are more successful than Cuba or the other socialist countries in SA. The defining factor here in terms of material success is not secularism but capitalism. Make a note of this, otherwise you'll embarrass yourself.