new-york24 wrote:Abdiwahab,the affairs of walaalaha wardheer shouldnt be made public,move in silence and violence baan isku ogeen waa ku sidee.
Man just shut up you undercover xabashi lover. Its a geonocide going on and you are sitting on your ass and claiming Ethiopia is a good colonizer.
Ogaden was handed to them in the end of world war 2, and these Somalis are still fighting. What makes you think, a xabashi lover like you will have any sympathies from other Somalis when you spew this nonsense?
Meles Zenawi is paying alot of Somalis nowadays to be walking propaganda for him
What voltage and others have put forth is nothing short of a defeatist mentality, they have been blinded by Ethiopias supposed might without looking beyond the mirage it is.A weak, paranoid, and largely closed country.There are many fallacies used to support this argument without having adequate knowledge concerning the nature of the Ethiopian state and the stance of this entity regarding the ongoing Ogaden conflict.Ethiopia is a quasi-Maoist state, a one-party state where essentially all tiers of Government are controlled by a single entity the EPDRF(TPLF), there is no distinction between the federated states and the ruling party.The ruling party is the federal, state and local government.There is no debate over this issue, this system of rule branches out to every aspect of life in Ethiopia you must be of the ruling party to survive and find a livelihood.The ONLF was a democratically elected government that was systematically forced out office because they did not belong to the EPDRF or its satellite parties, They tried in vien to keep good relations with the Central transitional government to avert a possible conflict.However they were dealing with Marxist rebels high on on there newly acquired military strength.It was the only logical decision for ONLF to begin a war of attrition against Ethiopian military targets to bring them to the table for a final negotiated settlement to take place on the future of the Ogaden.I don't understand what so emotional or whats so outdated about fighting for the human and political rights of the Somali population in the Ogaden? ONLF has publicly said from day one that if Ethiopia is willing to sit down in a neutral country to negotiate then there is no condition on this, the response from Ethiopia has been putting aside its enormous sustained military campaign against the civilian population is to create fabricated ONLF factions and defunct groups to deal with in shady Addis ababa hotels.This is not a government serious about negotiating or finding a solution to a conflict.So let see the TPLF controls the states with an iron grip and they don't want to negotiate.The reason why the TPLF doesn’t want any state controlled by a party that isn't aligned to the central government is because they may pursue secession via the written constitution of Ethiopia what many don't realise is this is an article(A.39) reserved for the TPLF only.How can ONLF engage in positive dialogue with the TPLF in such conditions?
The Ogaden conflict has nothing to do with Somalia today it is an indigenous movement independent of outside influence ready to decide there own fate however to deliver on a future for the Somali population there must be a government willing to at least grant them basic human and political rights.Its foolish to be this naive, its fundamental to look at the facts before making empty statements and conclusions.Furthermore to refer to the propaganda campaign of Ilay funded directly by Meles recently as some sort of statistic to measure the wishes of the Somali population in the Ogaden is laughable.This was attended by all Somalis from the horn, many paid to attend others to sing.Ethiopia would not have closed off the Ogaden to the outside world if the wishes of Ogaden-Somali people were not loud and clear.
Ethiopia is a military dictatorship that must be opposed by any means necessary until they come to the negotiation table and from past experience we know such regimes will only sit when they feel the wounds deepen.The ONLF has been presented as the obstacle to resolving the conflict here, when it is the only force actively seeking a way to end the crisis through talks.
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Archerr wrote:it is not hypocrisy bro. i still hate war but u need to understand the ogaden situation. what we have in the ogaden is not people fighting because they feel that they have been politically marginalized. you cannot compare the stupid - mostly habashi sponsored - wars in gedo and other parts of somalia to what is happening in the ogaden. they are fighting occupation. you may as well tell the palestinians to stop fighting and join the zionist state of israel that was imposed on them.
no one who is his right mind to give it to accupation. we are not part of ethiopia and will never. that will be always be second class citizen and that cannot be an option. i would say let us change our tactic and create strong educated political wings, in african and rest of the world.
keep what you doing ONLf, you're last somali who didnt give to ethiopia.
Voltage wrote:Fighting for ethnic secessionism and petty revolutionaries and counter-revolutionaries are so played out in my opinion. I mean look at Somalia with a majority stock sharing same culture, language, culture, etc. Where is peace and prosperity? Yet the most prosperous countries are almost always multi-cultural and multi-ethnic. What is the point of continuing to fight for ethnic irredentism in this fast globalizing world? The whole nation-state is increasingly being marginalized by multinationals. Should ONLF continue the emotional notions of pride and honor and not giving in or should they become practical and accept the state the world recognizes they are part of and work from within? The outcome might surprise us all. I am reminded of the old adage it is better to bring in a horse with sugar than the whip.
We Somalis were never created to be governed in our own lands by non-Somalis.
Coeus wrote:If that is the case the all of Somalia should be given to Ethiopia. Since a people fighting for their survival and right to live in their ancestral lands without colonial intervention is "played out" according to you. Maybe we should forget the contribution the darwish made for Somalis, or the countless soldiers that died in the Ogaden war to free our fellow Somalis. Fuck yourself you deluted idiot.
If you do not have anything good to say about those fighting occupation and colonialism, then shut up.
I think he got laid by some hot Ethipian bitch.
trying to give our intelllect the benefit of the doubt
I think I more than hinted this was an emotional topic and didn't expect flowers and roses, but my premise still stands. Get over fighting. Every single person that commented here enjoys life in peace and prosperity from Sweden like Ceous to Patriot in UK to James in beautiful Vancouver, Canada, etc. I have no sympathy for fighting and I don't support neanderthals who do when their lives and livelihoods are not on the line.
Look at Archerr, the first to say no fighting in Gedo even though he hates Al Shabaab and chastises TFG troops there for it but he wants a 20 year old rebel struggle that added naught to the development or security of the Ogaden Region? I don't know about you but that is hypocrisy to me and I don't know why you picked on Perfect who is one of the most religious and pro-Somali people you can find for correct interpretation of his experience on this forum and attributed to my position on this topic simple because we are related.
The rest of you refugees around the globe, I suppose you wish all Somalis follow you in your exile be they from anywhere. In my opinion, what's tried has failed. Time to think practical because real lives and livelihoods are at stake rather than the conditions of your emotional prejudice when you have the luxury to go to McDonalds and get a big mac with super size shake.
My 2 cents.
I am refugee in (europe) like the rest of forumers,but my family is still suffering attrocities commited by the brutal regime of Ethiopia. You either support their cause or keep your silence forever,otherwise you may looklike a talentless comedian on stage as you are now.
Shinile what this guy fails to understand is the conditions are not yet ripe for a settlement to occur, one party(Ethiopia) has no intention of negotiating whilst the other has put this option on the table permanently whenever the other is ready.The Ethiopians would like to see the ONLF disintegrate and vanish, but they will not enter into a political settlement at this stage without been coerced by a radical shift in circumstances both politcally and milatarily.Again you must look at the nature of the government your dealing with, its a dictatorship run by former rebels who dont understand or appreciate diplomacy.Whether ONLF exists or not people will suffer from this brutal regime, all you have to do is look at the situation in other states who are been exploited and violated despite no presence of rebels.Even if ONLF wanted to work within Ethiopia they cannot coexist with the TPLF as this organisation can only function with "Yes-Men", men who will not question there policies taking us back to square one as was the case in the 1990s.The struggle has nothing to do with pride or emotion, its simple human logic to strive to attain what you have been denied.Ethiopia is the only country still functioning as a colonial administration, to bring about the change required ONLF has the legal and moral justification to continue fighting this oppressive government.Dissent against Meles has never been more, the sleeping masses of Ethiopia are waking up to the tune of regime change.Why should we return to square one and embrace the dictator?
Hangadhow,if only he would knew the meaning of (meles zenawi).
Meles zenawi means( Hope returner). theodros was tigray king a century ago toppled by Amhara, who had been ruling the country since mengistu. To tame and degrade Amhara,they call their leader Meles zenawi. Would such tribe ready and accept any compromises?. Look before you leap V.
Ethiopia's idea of developing Ogaden is colonizing the area with Amhara to take over all the best land, getting Chinese workers in there to exploit the natural resources, natural gas and oil, and try and change the demographics of the area so it can never again challenge their ownership.
