New Somali generation unaware of their own history?

[BlackVelvet]

Aniga neh he sliced off my great grand aunt's butt cheek but I still think he is a hero.

These stories are getting ridiculous on so many levels

[Mondey]

Aniga neh he sliced off my great grand aunt's butt cheek but I still think he is a hero.

These stories are getting ridiculous on so many levels

not only u disrespected ur dead grand aunt, ur also mocking ppls tragedies
this is not right.

[BlackVelvet]

Aniga neh he sliced off my great grand aunt's butt cheek but I still think he is a hero.

These stories are getting ridiculous on so many levels

not only u disrespected ur dead grand aunt, ur also mocking ppls tragedies
this is not right.

Well then stop trying to pass off such fantastical stories as real arguments. Defend the man on his merits of what he did do, if you know them. Don't go telling us some story of what he did to your great great so and so and use the argument that since you can forgive him why can't we? This isn't about your personal stories or forgiving things that had nothing to do with you, it's insulting to use this logic.

[Khalid Ali]

Loooooooool@ bv

At the battle of dayaxweerar the mullah raided the ciidagale lifted 2000 camels this was done beyond british controled area who gave mohammad abdullah hassan that right


Jamac maxamad qalib is full of shit was his dad killed in 1903 when was he born

jamac just want daroods to buy his book dont beiieve everything you read

[Advo]

BV

I don't think ur clansmen at that time lived in the north but it was common to treat the darawiish soldiers and welcome them or be at their mercy, as for my great great grandma, well she refused to slaughter some of her lifestock for a group of soldiers that demanded such request and she resisted in the process getting wounded with a knife or a spear or a sword but she was wounded almost losing her life. However besides that, these men were fighting against an evil empire and should be recognized for what they have done for the country. My point is people are saying they killed/looted/ran sacked villages etc and thus deserves no respect but I disagree, I like to put myself in their shoes, they were probably hungry, thirsty, probably lost alot of men that day and so on, but that shouldnt be a reason to paint the whole struggle as loose canons out to hunt their own people.

[Voltage]

Sadeboi said the Dervishes stabbed his great-grandmother at one point and killed a lot of her family members. All true statements. Sadeboi's great-grandmother (his mom's father's mom) was Dhulbahante, Cali Geri, reer Gorod. Her name was Alawla Aw-Cabdi Adan and was the first cousin of Cali Dhuux Adan. Cali Dhuux led the reer Gorod to renounce ties with the Dervishes after heaving losses to the jilib from both enemy clans and the British and so the Dervishes attacked them as reprisal. Still, neither Sadeboi nor his mother nor his grandfather and neither did his great-grandmother hold enmity towards the Dervishes because ultimately all believed the cause was just which the reer Gorod themselves believed and believe today.

The most avid Sayid detractors are the reer Hargeisa and they all do this because they look at this from the prism of Darod (which the Sayid was) vs. Isaaq (which they are) without realizing the Dervishes were anti-colonialists and fought forcibly bring back the loyalties of any Somali group that even so much as wavered from the struggle bet they Isaaq, Darod, or anyone else. It takes people like Gen Jama Mohammed Qalib (Somalia: The Cost of Dictatorship) to accept this fact from the Isaaq side and look at the bigger picture rather than tribal local issues (themselves resulting from colonialists divide and conquer tactics).

I don't get where people who are not even involved come in disparaging that reality.

[Voltage]

However besides that, these men were fighting against an evil empire and should be recognized for what they have done for the country. My point is people are saying they killed/looted/ran sacked villages etc and thus deserves no respect but I disagree, I like to put myself in their shoes, they were probably hungry, thirsty, probably lost alot of men that day and so on, but that shouldnt be a reason to paint the whole struggle as loose canons out to hunt their own people.

[ina aadan]

because of what he did to his own people (by the way what did he do?)

No, they hate him because he wasn't from their clan or he dissed their clan for not ryding with the struggle, Siyad was notorious for his lyrical disses and to this day those potent poems still effects the heart of his opponents childrens childrens children.

Hadal iyo dhamaantiisba ninkan baa inoo dhameeyay.

[melo]

mujaahidka gave verbal and miltary karbashes to traitorous qabiils. Dont get mad at Sayyidka when he brings your dirty laundry out into public. It is you who made it dirty in the first place.

[Khalid Ali]

Let me get this straight so because the mullah and his dervishes were hungry and thirsty it makes it alright to loot kill steal livestock that did not belong to them what kind of logic is that. Besides do you know how nomads lived back than livestock was all they lived for take that away and they have nothing if there was drought there was no wfp to help these people. The sad part is also when the dervishes plunder a village they used chant victory poems like it was something great any how guys gaal banad xoolihisa dhici karayn oo wa xaraan iska da qof islaam ah. Any way if he is your hero good for you guys but do not expect other somalis to see him as their hero. Nin waliba halyeygisa halo dayo there are things somalis will never agree on

[BlackVelvet]

BV

I don't think ur clansmen at that time lived in the north but it was common to treat the darawiish soldiers and welcome them or be at their mercy, as for my great great grandma, well she refused to slaughter some of her lifestock for a group of soldiers that demanded such request and she resisted in the process getting wounded with a knife or a spear or a sword but she was wounded almost losing her life. However besides that, these men were fighting against an evil empire and should be recognized for what they have done for the country. My point is people are saying they killed/looted/ran sacked villages etc and thus deserves no respect but I disagree, I like to put myself in their shoes, they were probably hungry, thirsty, probably lost alot of men that day and so on, but that shouldnt be a reason to paint the whole struggle as loose canons out to hunt their own people.

You can't omit or add false facts into history to make sure people reach the conclusion you want them to reach. If you think he is a hero then well and good but don't lie to us saying that he never killed innocent people or all the people he killed were traitors who refused to help their noble brothers. I can just imagine Al Shabab writing history like that some decades from now if they had their way. Similarly it would also be incorrect to omit the fact that he did fight against the colonisers.

The point comes down to people should stop making up ish to convince others what they want them to believe.

[Xamud.]

because of what he did to his own people (by the way what did he do?)

No, they hate him because he wasn't from their clan or he dissed their clan for not ryding with the struggle,

I see.

*wonders if he my clan was lyrically abused*

Uh Yeah he use to trow Cisse Mahamuds of a cliff and into the sea, he use to tie them to each other.




Sayiidka killed my great great great grandpa and some of his sons and his brothers and his uncles, 16 or so male relatives in all. I still dont hate him, overall he stood for something very crucial at the time, and he was fighting gumeysi.

[melo]

History always repeats itself, doesn't it? The same treacherous group the past continue to betray the nation today. Ilaahay ha naga kaxeeyo cancerka oo wadanka dilaayo.

[Tuba]

Uh Yeah he use to trow Cisse Mahamuds of a cliff and into the sea, he use to tie them to each other.

By the way, how do you guys know about you're great-great grandparents death.

My awoowe n ayeeyo are still alive, however all I know about their parents ilah ha u nahariisto are their names.

[HaragWafi85]

lol@ voltage posting some nonsense from newsweek. If anybody is interested about biography of the legendary Igare it can be found in the book called Mad Mullah of Somaliland by Jardine.

˛Hajjı Müsa
Frah˛ (here called by the nickname of ‘Igarreh’), the most trusted
and highest ranking Somali official in the Protectorate administration,
on whom he, in other letters, often heaped scorn. Risaldar-
Major Müs Fra˛, had started his colonial career as a policeman
in Aden. He had joined the Protectorate staff as a member of the
mounted police and distinguished himself during the British expeditions
against the Sayyid. In 1906 he became a ‘native chief politician,
and in 1912 he became ‘Chief Native Assistant’, . For Jardine, Müs Fra˛ was the
Sayyid’s counterpart, as he was in the pro-government camp
what the Sayyid was in the anticolonial resistance movement.4


Jardine, Mad Mullah, 77-8, 311-12; Sheik-Abdi, Divine Madness, 186-7
and PRO CO 535, vol. 42.


"A remarkable somali , Risaaldr Major Haji Musa Farah led a Somali army of 450 rifles a hundred mile across the Waterless Haud, picking up some five thousand local tribesmen on his way, attacking the Dervish camps and capturing several thousand camels and Sheep. This triumph was a blow to the sayyid, as his forces moved always with their families and depended on their livestock meat and milk."

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Mad Mullah Beggint the British for Sweet presents.

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Sweet Presents

"Sixthly, we desire from you that you are with us in every
way, even with assistance and support against our enemies at any
time; we will be with you like that. We also ask from you kind
and gentle treatment and presents of all kinds and variety as your
generosity and rank allow. We take pleasure in all that you asked
from me. This [is what I have to say] and
peace."

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The obesity of Ina Abdille Hassan that it took about 6 men to lift on the horse.

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One imagines a tall, stately man, with a commanding presence, thin, clear-cut features, resolute mouth and chin, eyes glowing with the fire of religious fanaticism. It comes as a shock to us to hear that the Mullah is not in the least like this. I cannot give a faithful portrait of him, for I have never had the pleasure of meeting him, and apparently he does not encourage photographers at his Court. But there is one fact which completely dispels all our preconceived notions of what he ought to be like. The horrible truth is that he has grown too fat. This may be mere vulgar obesity caused by overfeeding, but, according to another report, it is the outcome of a peculiar disease, reported to be fairly common among the Dolbahanta tribe, which results in an abnormal swelling of the flesh, beginning at the ankles and gradually extending to the whole body. Whatever may be the cause, the Mullah has been afflicted with a superfluity of girth for several years past, and is said to require six men to lift him on to his horse. Probably this is the reason why he has changed his tactics, and decided that he can no longer rely upon a policy of elusiveness, but must be prepared to resist capture by other means. He is reported to have built a mighty fortress round his haroun at Taleh, with walls twelve feet thick, and there it is surmised that he would stand his ground if an expedition were sent against him.

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THE ADEN PATROL
CHAPTER XVII
AN OUTPOST OF EMPIRE IN SOMALILAND
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