Reer Mogadishu losing culture

[Saraxnow]

^ What's the issue? Many Muslims in Africa have this as their traditional dress...

[ToughGong]

^ What's the issue? Many Muslims in Africa have this as their traditional dress...

Exactly

[Jaidi]

How is Islamist different ? You do realize Islamist is just a political term and it doesn't mean a certain type of Muslim. Iranian regime is also considered Islamist .Sufi groups like ASWJ are called Islamists as well. It's just as generic of a term that doesn't describe anything, except political methods.

Well, there are also different types of Islamists; mainstream, moderate, ultraconservative, etc. The lifestyle (dress, ideology, etc) of Islamists is different from others. There are liberal or moderate Iranians (like those who live in the West) in addition or Iranian Islamists. You got a confusion; ASWJ are associated with Sufism, not Islamism (I wonder how one can become Sufi and Islamist at the same time). You aren't gonna get an accurate picture if you just Google Image Muslim.

Again you are confused on the term. Islamist describes politics not ideology. You can be Shia, Sufi, whatever, if your a political group who says its political motives are Islamic you are an Islamist. Therefore Shia groups like Hezbolllah and the Iranian state are Islamists, as are ASWJ.

Muslims in West Africa have always dressed like this, so its hardly a "modern" or "liberal" interpretation of dress. If people who think only Arab dress= Muslim were spreading Islam hundreds of years ago it would've never made it out of the Arabian Peninsula. You should embrace the fact that Islam is a way of life that allows all kind of people to follow it instead of an imperial one that forces everyone adopt Arab culture or be considered unIslamic. Read up on history and understand the people who spread Islam never used such terms or understandings. I take pride in the fact Islam's history in Africa is not like that of Christianity which was an imperial religion that robbed people of their customs, languages, and culture and tried to mold them in the shape of Europeans.

It seems people who equate Muslim= with nothing but Arab dress have the same understanding as these Europeans.

[arabmtu]

^ What's the issue? Many Muslims in Africa have this as their traditional dress...

The issue; the results of Google Image aren't specific when the generic "Muslim" is queried.

[FAH1223]

Again you are confused on the term. Islamist describes politics not ideology. You can be Shia, Sufi, whatever, if your a political group who says its political motives are Islamic you are an Islamist. Therefore Shia groups like Hezbolllah and the Iranian state are Islamists, as are ASWJ.

Muslims in West Africa have always dressed like this, so its hardly a "modern" or "liberal" interpretation of dress. If people who think only Arab dress= Muslim were spreading Islam hundreds of years ago it would've never made it out of the Arabian Peninsula. You should embrace the fact that Islam is a way of life that allows all kind of people to follow it instead of an imperial one that forces everyone adopt Arab culture or be considered unIslamic. Read up on history and understand the people who spread Islam never used such terms or understandings. I take pride in the fact Islam's history in Africa is not like that of Christianity which was an imperial religion that robbed people of their customs, languages, and culture and tried to mold them in the shape of Europeans.

It seems people who equate Muslim= with nothing but Arab dress have the same understanding as these Europeans.

Kul al makan w al zaman

[Lillaahiya]

I have an African dress

[arabmtu]

Muslims in West Africa have always dressed like this, so its hardly a "modern" or "liberal" interpretation of dress.

Their dress or fashion wasn't always like this; it has gone through transformation, influenced by varying protagonists and factors. A little historical study would show that.

[Jaidi]

Muslims in West Africa have always dressed like this, so its hardly a "modern" or "liberal" interpretation of dress.

Their dress or fashion wasn't always like this; it has gone through transformation, influenced by varying protagonists and factors. A little historical study would show that.

What? Are you suggesting that Westerners/liberals/modernists have morphed their style of dress? You do realize that even secluded rural ethnic groups/tribes with hardly any European contact in their history dress like this. Islam is the biggest influence and most common determinant in their style. You can go back 100s of years and you will find similar descriptions.

The Touareg for example, hardly have any history of European contact and their women dress distinctly( and different from Arabs) yet are 100 percent Muslim.

Do you think this style of dress is unIslamic?


Since you insistent on associating modern with unIslamic, you'd be interested to note that dressing in clothing typically associated with Arab culture is in fact a very modern phenomenon. Just like in Somali history, in any of these places you would never see people dressing in what you insist is "Islamist" dress in their past. So in fact what you are calling modern and recent is what you are advocating for. While what is old, traditional and conservative is what was posted. I do not have a problem with people dressing any distinct way, but I have a problem with faulty assumptions and revisionist history.

[arabmtu]

The Touareg for example, hardly have any history of European contact and their women dress distinctly( and different from Arabs) yet are 100 percent Muslim.

Do you think this style of dress is unIslamic?

The Tuareg are a confederation, come in different shades with varying fashion, culture, diet, etc. Their fashion isn't singular.

[Jaidi]

The Touareg for example, hardly have any history of European contact and their women dress distinctly( and different from Arabs) yet are 100 percent Muslim.

Do you think this style of dress is unIslamic?

The Tuareg are a confederation, come in different shades with varying fashion, culture, diet, etc. Their fashion isn't singular.

What is your point? Their fashion and culture varies, but it is still distinct and unique. Why are you cherrypicking the posts, and hardly responding to their basis?

There is a reason why Islam allowed people to retain some degree of cultural aspects, it is a universal way of life that no single ethnic group or culture has ownership over. The people of the Arabian peninsula are not the "chosen people" and their cultural traditions are no better or worse than those of the Muslims in West Africa. I am sure you are aware that much of the styles of dress in the Arabian peninsula predate Islam, and hardly indicative of religiosity to this day.

They are dressed decently, modestly, and can meet Islamic standards in their own fashion. If you disagree with this, that is another argument. Don't use a nonsense historical one to justify your position.

[arabmtu]

What is your point?

The point, even within the Tuareg, their fashion isn't one unique (as you claimed). You have one group of them who dress differently or radically from another (Google Image).

It might be cherrypicking to you, but you're making it difficult when you make vague claims about an "always" or "unique" fashion. Your point of some degree of pre-Islam cultural aspects incorporated in Islam is correct, however, it doesn't pertain to many of today's cultural aspects, due to the influence of past/current protagonists (colonial, modern Western culture), today's Muslim authorities who promote secularism and fight Islamic cultural aspects (not too long ago, hijab wasn't allowed in Turkish/Tunisian higher educational institutions) and other factors. If we were to consult competent Muslim scholars, they would clearly state the fashion of this topic or many of West African (especially Nigeria) Muslim women's fashion do not conform with the teachings of Islam.

[grandpakhalif]

NIGGER, ABUKAR, the quran says the prophet is the best example I will follow him even in his dress

[Somaliman50]

NIGGER, ABUKAR, the quran says the prophet is the best example I will follow him even in his dress

can you give me a detailed explanation of what the prophet use to wear? you wanna tell me to follow his dress sense whilst you are wearing long johns and a v neck shirt seek knowledge akhi, this religion is simple, dont make it hard upon yourselves. if you want to imitate his sifaat and his akhlaaq, then inshallah read atirmidhi's book shamaailu muhammadiyyah

[barakaboy10]

I'd rather have our women wearing this type of clothing instead of those dreadful niqabs and jilbaabs. We need to get on with the 21st century and wear some enlightening clothing, not some 7th century Arabian apparel.

another brainwashed skinny!!! what's enlightening about an African cloth? masaakiin!!!

Arabs are 3x million better than retarded people like you and your other African brethren whom seem to know nothing but corruption and war.

Arabs are more advanced in everything than you hungry Africans. i would rather copy everything Arabs do than people who are known to be good at nothing.

if you know the history of Arabs, you wouldn't be comparing them to "damn" Africans like you.

i hate when stinging skinnies ey afku kusoo taagaan carabta.

and one more thing: we are Muslims and our women are obligated to cover their whole body, except the face and hands. this particular African dress doesn't cover the whole body and therefore can't be worn alone.

[abgaalKING]

Why do focus on trivial issue like what an old woman wears while forgetting the main issue which the visit of UN secratary Banki-moon.