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Re: UK urges Somaliland to back Somalia in upcoming Conferen

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brittian :up: its not a banana republic nor is it a super power that can do weather ever they want, that right is reserved for uncle sam

brittian is a law abiding history conscience nation, and i know one things and that is brittian alwayes feld bad about the partion of the somali terrories, and it traid to correct it post WW2.

here is what i expect to come out from this confrence.

1 international backing and mandate against the pirates
2 international support for TFG and road map
3 humanterian assistants and financial aid to the people of somalia
4 assistants to regional goverments in terms of security (anti terror) and development
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Eaglehawk wrote:brittian :up: its not a banana republic nor is it a super power that can do weather ever they want, that right is reserved for uncle sam

brittian is a law abiding history conscience nation, and i know one things and that is brittian alwayes feld bad about the partion of the somali terrories, and it traid to correct it post WW2.

here is what i expect to come out from this confrence.

1 international backing and mandate against the pirates
2 international support for TFG and road map
3 humanterian assistants and financial aid to the people of somalia
4 assistants to regional goverments in terms of security (anti terror) and development

Konfurian have grandiose ideas. My sense is that they suffers from delusions of grandeur, these Konfurians are not looking at the bigger picture. they focus on small parts of the overall problem without actually understanding where the real issue lies in south Somalia, its very simple and doable, Konfurian Somalis want peace, and an end to the wars on each other, they also want integrity and transparency in TFG government,
do you really think the fate of Somaliland will be decided in this conference :lol: poor konfurians, Somaliland will get their share of the pie and move on
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Goljano Lion wrote:
Eaglehawk wrote:brittian :up: its not a banana republic nor is it a super power that can do weather ever they want, that right is reserved for uncle sam

brittian is a law abiding history conscience nation, and i know one things and that is brittian alwayes feld bad about the partion of the somali terrories, and it traid to correct it post WW2.

here is what i expect to come out from this confrence.

1 international backing and mandate against the pirates
2 international support for TFG and road map
3 humanterian assistants and financial aid to the people of somalia
4 assistants to regional goverments in terms of security (anti terror) and development

Konfurian have grandiose ideas. My sense is that they suffers from delusions of grandeur, these Konfurians are not looking at the bigger picture. they focus on small parts of the overall problem without actually understanding where the real issue lies in south Somalia, its very simple and doable, Konfurian Somalis want peace, and an end to the wars on each other, they also want integrity and transparency in TFG government,
do you really think the fate of Somaliland will be decided in this conference :lol: poor konfurians, Somaliland will get their share of the pie and move on
Honestly, that just sounds like a tacit admission of Somaliland's status as a regional administration.

I don't see what the Somaliland government gains from attending this conference, other than divvying up the pie with administrations like Galmudug, Puntland, and ASWJ, thereby implicitly accepting regional status.
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The glory days of the old British Empire are no more. They are no longer relevant in international relations and global politics.

Cameron needs to shut his mouth and deal with the rising unemployment rate in his country. Conservative bum :down:

Turkey and China... we would like to have a new and great relationship with you :up: :up: :up:
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Based wrote:
Goljano Lion wrote:
Eaglehawk wrote:brittian :up: its not a banana republic nor is it a super power that can do weather ever they want, that right is reserved for uncle sam

brittian is a law abiding history conscience nation, and i know one things and that is brittian alwayes feld bad about the partion of the somali terrories, and it traid to correct it post WW2.

here is what i expect to come out from this confrence.

1 international backing and mandate against the pirates
2 international support for TFG and road map
3 humanterian assistants and financial aid to the people of somalia
4 assistants to regional goverments in terms of security (anti terror) and development

Konfurian have grandiose ideas. My sense is that they suffers from delusions of grandeur, these Konfurians are not looking at the bigger picture. they focus on small parts of the overall problem without actually understanding where the real issue lies in south Somalia, its very simple and doable, Konfurian Somalis want peace, and an end to the wars on each other, they also want integrity and transparency in TFG government,
do you really think the fate of Somaliland will be decided in this conference :lol: poor konfurians, Somaliland will get their share of the pie and move on
Honestly, that just sounds like a tacit admission of Somaliland's status as a regional administration.

I don't see what the Somaliland government gains from attending this conference, other than divvying up the pie with administrations like Galmudug, Puntland, and ASWJ, thereby implicitly accepting regional status.
Fist of all, its Donor’s conference and it has nothing to do with politics. We gain funds and investments like the previous conference that was held in London. this is a new approach from Somaliland, it works and delivers results. Just go to any donor conference, get your share of the pie and viola.
This new strategy is based on , what we have to lose, and it is working for Somaliland,
waryaa since the funds are from the west, why would konfurian get all the pie, comprende
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The very fact that you're accepting funds meant for "SOMALIA" is an implicit acceptance of your status as a regional state/maamul goboleed, sitting at the same table with entities such as Galmudug and Puntland.

When you say, "why would konfurian get all the pie", you seem to be tacitly admitting you're the waqooyi of Somalia, ergo you deserve "your share".

I've never seen a county that's seeking independence but at the same time accepting the funds meant for another country. It might be a good short term source of funding for administering the country or for projects that would otherwise be impossible to complete, but the implications in the long run don't seem to be on the minds of the SL leadership.

It's a bit of a catch 22 I'll admit, but are those funds worth relinquishing 20 or so years of recognition-seeking?
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its TFG who want to boycott :lol: isn't that strange
for Somalis, objectivity is always a goal, but not a reality, dude, I guess you misunderstood the agenda of this conference,
just read this


UK Deputy Ambassador to Ethiopia Chris Allan visited the Somaliland capital on Wednesday to discuss the upcoming London Conference on Somalia. The British ambassador held a press conference in Mansoor hotel in which he briefly presented the agenda of the conference and Somaliland’s role.

“I would like to stress that I am pleased with my visit to Somaliland. Today I met with senior government officials and we deliberated on matters relating to the international conference on the issue of Somalia scheduled to be held in London. I presented them with the agenda of the meeting,” he said.

Mr. Allan also stressed talks will focus on core regional problems such as maritime piracy and terrorism that need regional cooperation.

“The scheduled meeting will address the issues of development and Britain’s humanitarian aid for Somaliland and Somalia as well as socio-economic and political development,” he stated. Mr. Allan added that Britain was Somaliland’s largest supporter and its biggest donor and reaffirmed the strong and long-standing friendship and historical ties between the two. With more than 40 senior government officials and multilateral organizations expected to attend, the British Ambassador said the meeting presented a golden opportunity and venue for Somaliland to present its case to the international community.

He further added, he was notifying the Somaliland authority and its people about the upcoming forum on behave of the British Prime Minister David Cameron and Britain’s Foreign Secretary William Hague. He said both officials were keen on President Ahmed Silanyo to lead the Somaliland delegation to London. “The Prime Minister will soon send an official letter of invitation to President Silanyo while the Foreign Secretary is expected to have a telephone conversation with President Silanyo to discuss the matter further,” he told local media.

Insisting the conference could strengthen Somaliland’s quest for international recognition Mr. Allan said: “I believe the best way Somaliland could further its goal is for President Silanyo to attend the meeting and make a case for his nation.”
Finally Mr. Allan revealed that the meeting will bring together over senior 40 government representatives and multilateral organizations including the president of France Nicolas Sarkozy, Ethiopia’s Prime Minister Meles Zenawi, the Secretary-General of the United Nations Ban Ki-moon, major international donors and foreign ministers.


Somaliland is a former British protectorate that gained its independence in June 1960 but voluntarily unified with its southern neighbor few days later to form what was known as the Somali Republic. After years of armed struggle with Somalia that left more than 50, 000 killed, it reinstated its independence in 1991 but has since failed to gain international recognition. Somaliland has in the past expressed skepticism and in most parts rejected participating in any conference on “Somalia”. However, the country is expected to endorse this British-sponsored meeting since Hargeisa trusts London and the British government is aware of Somaliland’s case. The timetable of the conference is not yet clear but the British Prime Minister said he will host the meeting in London in next month.
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I think you're under the impression I'm anti-Somaliland. In fact, I've reiterated my beliefs time and time again here in the face of hostility from both landers and nonlanders. As a firm believer in the right of self determination, I support the people of Somaliland in their struggle for independence. Of course, as a firm believer in the right of self determination, I also believe that there should be a referendum that puts to rest the SSC issue so an amicable split can be finally reached, along the lines of Czechoslovakia. I've always prided myself on my objectivity and rationality despite the Somali tendency to inject every discussion with qabiil and rancor.

Now, to get to the matter at hand. I'm sure you'll excuse me if I take the article from Somalilandpress with a grain of salt. In fact, this recent email from Matt Baugh, UK Senior Representative for Somalia of the British High Commission, has been making the rounds. I'll highlight the important parts.
LONDON CONFERENCE: MAIN MESSAGES AND INITIAL CONCLUSIONS
1. Political Process.
Key messages include:
- It is clear that August 2012 is a key deadline.
- Other parties in Somalia need to be brought into the political process more effectively, to allow for more representative government. The
- Transitional Federal Institutions could be succeeded by some form of Constituent Assembly and Interim Authority.
- Some feel strongly that there needs to be a decisive shift towards supporting some of the regional administrations like Puntland and Galmudug, building on the relative success of Somaliland. Others are equally clear that support for central organs of state remains a key principle.

- All wanted better coordination between international partners on assistance; some suggested a Joint Financial Management Board.
So, some initial conclusions are:
- We should be clear in London that current arrangements come to an end in August;
- That successor arrangements should be more representative and accountable to the Somali people;
- There should be greater transparency of government receipts and expenditure, and between donors/partners;
- That we should aim to coordinate packages of developmental and other support to authorities beyond Mogadishu as part of widening the national political process (more detail on this below);
- And build towards proper national elections in the not-too-distant future.

7. Local stability
Key messages include;
- Many of us are already providing some support at a sub-national level in Somalia, though there is no agreement between us on who will concentrate where.
- Many of the sub-national regions would like better coordination architecture.
- A multi-donor fund to support local stability could be an efficient way to channel resources and improve coordination.
- It would be useful to have a common set of principles for support.
Some initial conclusions are that in London we should aim at:
- Agreement on an international approach to promoting stability at the sub-national level; a common set of principles for support; and perhaps some agreement on how best to divide our efforts geographically;

- And perhaps a multi-donor Local Stability Fund with associated coordination architecture.
To be honest, that sounds a hell of a lot different from what Somalilandpress wrote. Is it smart for a self declared independent nation to sit at the table with regional administrations of a country they separated from 20 years ago?

Like I said above, that just sounds like a tacit admission of Somaliland's status as a regional administration. I don't see what the Somaliland government gains from attending this conference, other than divvying up the pie with administrations like Galmudug, Puntland, and ASWJ, thereby implicitly accepting regional status.
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Pro-Somaliweyn Unionist are calling TFG ( Sheikh Shariff) to boycott this conference. They believe that the purpose of this conference is to Balkanize Somalia and recognize Somaliland
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we can all jump to the conclusion these conference benefits this or that, but the truth is Somali government doesn’t exist, it is just paper government , other wise why would the British ambassador go to Hargeisa and brief the agenda of the conference and Somaliland’s role, what does that tell you.
Let's be clear, the west denies the existence of Government in Somalia, otherwise this conference would only be attended by the TFG
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SahanGalbeed wrote:
union wrote:
SahanGalbeed wrote:If the world community believes the former Republic of Somalia has become a patchwork of fiefdoms overseen by foreign overlords , we gotta put this joke to a halt.
We have created Somaliland , we have fought for it , we then have built it .
Not Britain , not NATO , not the US and certainly not on a table in foreign soil .
I hope our president agrees with me .
iddor against the whole world
is that your proposed foreign policy?
Maybe if the iddor were a great nation, that would be possible
but a mere handful of khat addicted clans does not constitute a great nation
you will lose. you have no nobility, and no right to make your own path
the truth hurts-i know- but its time to stop playing pretend and accept reality
The noble man is he who knows his past , the noble is he who builds his own house , the noble man is he who confident about himself respecting the wishes of others, accepting in his faith always remains optimistic about his fate
I don't think you know what a noble man is , boolitaani :lol:

PS: for those of you who still don't get it boolitaani come from
Booli qaran , and thani in arabic

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Sources?

All I've seen are Somalilanders against attending the meeting, including the folks commenting on the article you posted.

Unless the U.S. gave the UK the green light to take care of the Somali problem (which is possible after Black hawk down and Britain's role in Libya), I don't see anything tangible coming out of this conference.

If they did, then it's going to be interesting to watch. The language of that email seems to indicate that they'll try force the TFG to agree to a loose confederacy of regional states in the event of Shabaab's defeat. Maybe the rumors of Siilaanyo being a secret Unionist aren't that far off the mark :lol:
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Based wrote:Sources?

All I've seen are Somalilanders against attending the meeting, including the folks commenting on the article you posted.

Unless the U.S. gave the UK the green light to take care of the Somali problem (which is possible after Black hawk down and Britain's role in Libya), I don't see anything tangible coming out of this conference.

If they did, then it's going to be interesting to watch. The language of that email seems to indicate that they'll try force the TFG to agree to a loose confederacy of regional states in the event of Shabaab's defeat. Maybe the rumors of Siilaanyo being a secret Unionist aren't that far off the mark :lol:

:lol: Somalis and their wishful thinking, waar, Somaliland`s goals are grand and glorious while our daily goals are simple and doable, that is what we are doing right now, but anyway, we will see the outcome............Surprises
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Wishful thinking :lol: ? I'm just making my own predictions based on the language of the email from the guy running the conference. I don't really care either way tbh, if Somaliland is recognized, good for you and good luck, if not and your leaders decide to return to the fold, then welcome back.

But I agree, we'll see what happens :up:
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Based wrote:Wishful thinking :lol: ? I'm just making my own predictions based on the language of the email from the guy running the conference. I don't really care either way tbh, if Somaliland is recognized, good for you and good luck, if not and your leaders decide to return to the fold, then welcome back.

But I agree, we'll see what happens :up:
Very healthy analysis Based :up:
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