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Re: Your suggestions on how to give/claim back stolen proper

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:43 pm
by VeiledGarbasar
Greenday,

It happened to my father. :lol: :lol:

Anywho, its just not Mareexaan that are guilty of corruption. Definitely, they shouldn't be put down if they help each other, my father did that for Abgaal and specifically Warsangelis.

Re: Your suggestions on how to give/claim back stolen proper

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:44 pm
by Voltage
Well why should I BV? I am very well capable of making my point but I am also capable of catching myself and recalibrating if I seemed to be on the wrong side. I don't think I will ever change in that scope.

But I will take your advice and cease my side of the toxicity.

Re: Your suggestions on how to give/claim back stolen proper

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:44 pm
by Alphanumeric
Addoow wrote:Do You Think Amisom can function with out the full support From The Local clans? Absolutely Not.


By The way,We All Agree That in order for a justice To prevail,every legitimate concern should addressed,Return of Personal as well as Gov Properties Wether in Pre-1990 Or after it is an essential part of pacifying Mogadishu and Part of the Reconciliation.
How can you do both? There must be cases where nationalized land that was given to employees is now being claimed by those it was first taken from. No?

Re: Your suggestions on how to give/claim back stolen proper

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:45 pm
by Happy Desperado
VeiledGarbasar wrote:There is no point, how can one get land a government took so ages ago?

When I was there Amina Siyaad Barre was claiming land at Ceelsha biyaha. She better not try claim Jamcada beeraha or Laafole University Land. And I hope the government are not corrupted enough to turn another eye, because someone needs to tell these FOOLS, that's another basis for a CIVIL WAR! :x

:arrow:
:shock: :lol: :lol:

It really will. :down: :|

This is a serious matter and it needs tact, openess and fairness. Hypocrisy and one rule for a group while putting down the other is what got us in this mess, it sure as hell won't get us out of it.

Re: Your suggestions on how to give/claim back stolen proper

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:46 pm
by greenday
Voltage wrote:Green, I think you are too smart to come with "Somalis says so". But anyways, neither am I judge nor are you I really don't see the point to continue this anymore. :lol:
I dont but i know the signs of a dictator :lol: , its not even anything about the mareexan they didnt choose to in that fortunate state so waa iska caadi :up:

Re: Your suggestions on how to give/claim back stolen proper

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:48 pm
by Voltage
VeiledGarbasar wrote:Greenday,

It happened to my father. :lol: :lol:

Anywho, its just not Mareexaan that are guilty of corruption. Definitely, they shouldn't be put down if they help each other, my father did that for Abgaal and specifically Warsangelis.
Naag nool baa tahay, ilaahay kheyr haku siiyo. You can tell a person of faith by their character, may we all strive to gain more iimaan :up:

Re: Your suggestions on how to give/claim back stolen proper

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:49 pm
by greenday
VeiledGarbasar wrote:Greenday,

It happened to my father. :lol: :lol:

Anywho, its just not Mareexaan that are guilty of corruption. Definitely, they shouldn't be put down if they help each other, my father did that for Abgaal and specifically Warsangelis.

And they too should give it back, wixi muusqmasug dhulkuleloo dhan :down:

Re: Your suggestions on how to give/claim back stolen proper

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:49 pm
by greenday
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Re: Your suggestions on how to give/claim back stolen proper

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:52 pm
by Addoow
Alphanumeric wrote:
Addoow wrote:Do You Think Amisom can function with out the full support From The Local clans? Absolutely Not.


By The way,We All Agree That in order for a justice To prevail,every legitimate concern should addressed,Return of Personal as well as Gov Properties Wether in Pre-1990 Or after it is an essential part of pacifying Mogadishu and Part of the Reconciliation.
How can you do both? There must be cases where nationalized land that was given to employees is now being claimed by those it was first taken from. No?
IF thier land Was Being Nationalized and they have proper Documents,It Makes No sense To hand Them These Buildings but Money should be Given To them instead.Once nationalized,it becomes Public Property.

Re: Your suggestions on how to give/claim back stolen proper

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:52 pm
by greenday
Voltage wrote:
VeiledGarbasar wrote:Greenday,

It happened to my father. :lol: :lol:

Anywho, its just not Mareexaan that are guilty of corruption. Definitely, they shouldn't be put down if they help each other, my father did that for Abgaal and specifically Warsangelis.
Naag nool baa tahay, ilaahay kheyr haku siiyo. You can tell a person of faith by their character, may we all strive to gain more iimaan :up:
Let me get this you think what her father did is right?

Re: Your suggestions on how to give/claim back stolen proper

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:54 pm
by Happy Desperado
VeiledGarbasar wrote:Greenday,

It happened to my father. :lol: :lol:

Anywho, its just not Mareexaan that are guilty of corruption. Definitely, they shouldn't be put down if they help each other, my father did that for Abgaal and specifically Warsangelis.
Your dad is a businessman. He can practise as much nepotism as he likes with his personal wealth. Qof qasab ku leh majiro. :up:

Re: Your suggestions on how to give/claim back stolen proper

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:56 pm
by Voltage
Greenday, not at all but the fact she is honest is what I meant

Re: Your suggestions on how to give/claim back stolen proper

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:58 pm
by Alphanumeric
Addoow wrote:
Alphanumeric wrote:
Addoow wrote:Do You Think Amisom can function with out the full support From The Local clans? Absolutely Not.


By The way,We All Agree That in order for a justice To prevail,every legitimate concern should addressed,Return of Personal as well as Gov Properties Wether in Pre-1990 Or after it is an essential part of pacifying Mogadishu and Part of the Reconciliation.
How can you do both? There must be cases where nationalized land that was given to employees is now being claimed by those it was first taken from. No?
IF thier land Was Being Nationalized and they have proper Documents,It Makes No sense To hand Them These Buildings but Money should be Given To them instead.Once nationalized,it becomes Public Property.
So, I need to better understand this.

My father has a home in the city, which was given to him by the government he worked for. Today, that home is occupied. The people who owned the land prior to nationalization are not the occupiers.

Should that home and land be given to him, or the those who originally owned the land prior to nationalization? OR, were those who owned the land prior to nationalization already compensated by the government decades ago? I'm unaware of that.

What do you think should happen?

Re: Your suggestions on how to give/claim back stolen proper

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:59 pm
by VeiledGarbasar
Heeeey, my father didn't do anything wrong, he just got them positions, and helped them out with whatever why he can. He never ever got them houses and stuff like that. He just helped them, I'm saying qabils helping each other is fine. I realise there was other form of corruption during the Siyaad barre government, but you have to understand it might not be something he was OKAY with, by then he got old and people were taking advantage.

All Somali governments weren't free from corruption, no GOVERNMENT is, the UK one xata waa corrupt.

I was saying LAND was take from my father by the previous government and nationalised I believe.

ps. My father helped many people, regardless of qabiil. On guy claimed he was a relative of my father when he went Bosaso and this businessman there, said I know him and because of that helped him out. :up:

Re: Your suggestions on how to give/claim back stolen proper

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:00 pm
by greenday
Warsan do you think its caadi if i say HG can help one another and keep and house they looted mise this helping each other ended before 91 :lol: waxas wax socaya mahan :down:

I can imagine AWs kid saying my aabo gave this land to BV so its hers fock voltage whos house it was before :lol: :lol:


Voltage, then you agree that siyad barre helped mareexan?