PL new constition allow southeis to apply for citizenship

[GeoSeven]

Man with all the angst and dislike puntland (majeerteen) have for the south, im starting to wonder if more than what we know happened to them in the civil war days. maybe there was a massive cover up conspiracy on the extent of abuse committed against them in the south. war nimanyahow runta inoo sheega.......what happened to you guys?

[mody21]

Somaliland said we dont want anything to do with you, peace onto you and macasalaamah, I dont support this but at least its clear talk. Puntland says we dont want anything to do with you but were still part of the same country....now this shit is just confusing and sooner or later the South is gonna really get annoyed. Nimanyahow lafihiina u cabsada oo musuqmaasuqa naga dhaafa. We tryna build a country and start from scratch here....yall look like you wanna destroy

Puntlanders are smart Walahi they build a state just for themselves designed and established as the former Sultanate of Sultan Ali Yusuf and Boqor Osman in the late 19 century only this time the little darods are also incorporated. They keep demanding at least 40% what ever the south gets TFG the Darood seat 4.5 automatically goes to them they keep sending Prime Minister after Prime Minister to Mogadishu to keep the Hawiye and Rahanweyn and Merehaan busy he signs every international deal on behalf of his real president Faroole .They have their own flag constitution army police navy traditional leadership any one who criticises their politics and policies is a hater because he is against federalism they shout the loudest Somalinimo Somalia ma kala maranto They are now playing ugandan and Djibouti role in Somalia we used to hear Djibouti accord and kampala accord now we hear Garowe accord and Garowe principles and now we even hear galkacyo accord.The rest of the Poor koonfurians cant do much because if they do Puntland will threaten them that they are against the federal structure of Somalia and they will be labeled as spoilers by the state department Faroole has an excellent Foreign policy.They are now even drafting the new federal constitution for their own interests. They don't send troops to Somalia to fight against Alshabaab only if the head of state is one of them. The rest of the People of Somalia doesn't know Puntland is building a whole country with in a country the poor masses in the south as long as you sing Somalia toosooy they will support you The rest of Somalia think this is what federalism is all about building countries with in a country Somalis are not familiar with federalism if it continues like this Majeerteens will be the Tigrays of Somalia a Minority ruling the Majority

your statement show a lack of understanding, eaither from tribal bias or due to your "countries" political isolationism , you have formulated in your mind that PL=bad, so your views are warped , unlike your "country" PL has not decided to put itself before the rest of Somalia, and any taxes it get from the federal government it gives back as tributary of the states taxes, you seem very bitter and have deluded yourself into believing you are the only one who is right when in fact you couldnt be further from the truth. I cant say I expect anything better from a man who countries identity is based on tribal vengeance and being anti "faqash" when in fact most of the SNM militia worked with the kaacan and were latter bought by ethiopia. I have no interest in debating facts with you because you bring nothing to teh tabkle except fadikudiri ideology and clanist xasidnimo, evidence being the fact that you criticize PL for being pro somalinimo. Good luck with your recognition after 22 years

[SahanGalbeed]

1/ Khalid Ali is talking out of his behind .{assumptions}
2/ Politics is all about perception . This doesn't look good no matter how you wanna explain it .

[mody21]

Man with all the angst and dislike puntland (majeerteen) have for the south, im starting to wonder if more than what we know happened to them in the civil war days. maybe there was a massive cover up conspiracy on the extent of abuse committed against them in the south. war nimanyahow runta inoo sheega.......what happened to you guys?

the only thing siad bares regime and the violence that followed its subsequent fall is that you don't put all your eggs in one basket and that you do not trust your future to others.

[Khalid Ali]

But Hongkong is not a federal state under China its a Special administrative region a Confederal region i believe that is not the form of federalism Somalia wants where there is citizenship and i also believe Puntland will not remain an autonomous region for ever , What if Galmudug and ximan iyo xeeb and azania does the same what will be left of Somalia if every one has his own Constitution i thought Somalia wanted a strong federal government in Mogadishu with federal states like America Now you have a country with in a Country

PL has no intention of leaving somali, but at the same time there is not somalia as of yet there is a region which was once called somali, so how do you expect pl to put their lives on hold for somalia?. when the south get their shit together , then you can say , PL is doing something wrong by having its own constitution, but since the south doesn't have a constitution there are no opposing factors , I believe Pl is gearing itself toward independence or at least making a plan B just in case the south doesn't get their act together. Right now its a waiting game, were Pl is trying to determine how much time is enough time, and how much time is too little time. If ten years from now somalia is the same as today, is that enough time to come to a conclusion about the prospect of somali? or do we wait 15 mybe 20 years more, I believe PL is signaling its dis-enchantment with the statuesque of somalia, they are essentially saying, we wont wait forever. The difference is that Pl is giving the south time to get its house in order whereas somaliland took the first opportunity and run. I genuinely believe Pl wants somali to have peace, and I also believe if somali were to have peace PL would not directly oppose a somali national constitution and would more likely change their own to fit the new constitution.

Stop comparing the incomparable Somaliland never was happy with the union in 1960 and Somalilanders always in their back mind wanted independence even some of the leadership of SNM not all but Some. So the re declaration of independence in 1991 was not something that came as a surprise 21 years ago.

But i don't think Puntland wants to declare Independence they are just blackmailing the other tribes in the south rahanweyn hawiye and Merehan if things don't go their way they might And we know the People of the south are very nationalistic and will compromise and that's all they want. Why declare independence when you practically an independent state Just use the TFG channels to get things done sending Majeerteen agents to Xamar working on behalf of Puntland president Faroole. Declaring independence now is foolish and no person will do that just keep doing what you doing.

[mody21]

But Hongkong is not a federal state under China its a Special administrative region a Confederal region i believe that is not the form of federalism Somalia wants where there is citizenship and i also believe Puntland will not remain an autonomous region for ever , What if Galmudug and ximan iyo xeeb and azania does the same what will be left of Somalia if every one has his own Constitution i thought Somalia wanted a strong federal government in Mogadishu with federal states like America Now you have a country with in a Country

PL has no intention of leaving somali, but at the same time there is not somalia as of yet there is a region which was once called somali, so how do you expect pl to put their lives on hold for somalia?. when the south get their shit together , then you can say , PL is doing something wrong by having its own constitution, but since the south doesn't have a constitution there are no opposing factors , I believe Pl is gearing itself toward independence or at least making a plan B just in case the south doesn't get their act together. Right now its a waiting game, were Pl is trying to determine how much time is enough time, and how much time is too little time. If ten years from now somalia is the same as today, is that enough time to come to a conclusion about the prospect of somali? or do we wait 15 mybe 20 years more, I believe PL is signaling its dis-enchantment with the statuesque of somalia, they are essentially saying, we wont wait forever. The difference is that Pl is giving the south time to get its house in order whereas somaliland took the first opportunity and run. I genuinely believe Pl wants somali to have peace, and I also believe if somali were to have peace PL would not directly oppose a somali national constitution and would more likely change their own to fit the new constitution.

Stop comparing the incomparable Somaliland never was happy with the union in 1960 and Somalilanders always in their back mind wanted independence even some of the leadership of SNM not all but Some. So the re declaration of independence in 1991 was not something that came as a surprise 21 years ago.

But i don't think Puntland wants to declare Independence they are just blackmailing the other tribes in the south rahanweyn hawiye and Merehan if things don't go their way they might And we know the People of the south are very nationalistic and will compromise and that's all they want. Why declare independence when you practically an independent state Just us the TFG channels to get things done sending Majeerteen agents to Xamar working on behalf of Puntland president Faroole. Declaring independence now is foolish and no person will do that just keep doing what you doing.

Pl has never said it wanted independence, and even with the drafting of its new constitution it leave a lot of lee way for the south, as for teh union in the 60's no one forced you to join , you issentially ran to the south , and teh southerners said yes, there was no war, no one wanted to do anything with you it was your people taht joined dont act like anyone asked you , I think your starting to believe in your own lies.

the truth is even today most somali dont care about somaliland and no one is holding you back, your 22 years of failure is the result of your poor foreign policy, stop acting like there is a conspiracy with PL send james bond to the TGF to get the nuclear launch codes . you need to take it easy on the grass bro I think its killing the sane brain cells.

[SahanGalbeed]

I don't think their intention is to " blackmail". It has more to do with the continuation of a strategy that is "undecisive" to say the least which is contrary to the idea of Somalia they wanna portray . If anything it helps the Somaliland secessionist .
Badly thought , in fact so poorly conceived I couldn't believe it at first

[abdalla11]

We might not have the same history as Hong Kong, but we will take their system. Maxaad ka sameen kartiin

[mody21]

I don't think their intention is to " blackmail". It has more to do with the continuation of a strategy that is "undecisive" to say the least which is contrary to the idea of Somalia they wanna portray . If anything it helps the Somaliland secessionist .
Badly thought .

there is no indecision saxiib, do you expect Pl to say the border are open everyone including the shababist and mooriyans to come in, you and khalid have this black or white idea of "be in somalia and suffer like the rest " or "leave somalia and declare independence " while PL sees the gray area, I can assure you if Pl wanted independence it would have achieved it long ago, right now Pl is in crisis management is somalia, while trying to get to a level where it can go into negotiation and work on uniting the rest of the country. your and Khalid are on the other hand fighting to portray Pl as a parasite when in fact there in nothing to parasite, instead of focusing on PL work on your foreign policy and get at least one country that willing to recognize you.

[abdalla11]

you and khalid have this black or white idea of "be in somalia and suffer like the rest " or "leave somalia and declare independence "

Ypu expressed their feelings good

[Khalid Ali]

Does Puntland share its Bosaaso revenues with the South
Does Puntland send troops to Somalia to fight against Alshabaab
The only thing Puntland sends to Mogadishu is Abdiweli

Its not about peace and stability Galmudug is also very peaceful imagine if Galmudug does the same and creates a whole country with in the county horta what does Puntland want to share with the federal state

[SahanGalbeed]

I don't think their intention is to " blackmail". It has more to do with the continuation of a strategy that is "undecisive" to say the least which is contrary to the idea of Somalia they wanna portray . If anything it helps the Somaliland secessionist .
Badly thought .

there is no indecision saxiib, do you expect Pl to say the border are open everyone including the shababist and mooriyans to come in, you and khalid have this black or white idea of "be in somalia and suffer like the rest " or "leave somalia and declare independence " while PL sees the gray area, I can assure you if Pl wanted independence it would have achieved it long ago, right now Pl is in crisis management is somalia, while trying to get to a level where it can go into negotiation and work on uniting the rest of the country. your and Khalid are on the other hand fighting to portray Pl as a parasite when in fact there in nothing to parasite, instead of focusing on PL work on your foreign policy and get at least one country that willing to recognize you.

Whether somebody recognises Somaliland or not doesn't change the optics the rest of the Somalis have about us .We're currently are standing OUTSIDE and everybody knows it
You do not deep down , when you're honest with yourself , want anybody to recognise Somaliland , don't say it to score a point on a forum discussion board , it'll catch up with you , if it doesn't already { if I look harder}
First of all Puntland was created in 1998 . 14 yrs have since gone by .Why now? specially when the international community { the british minister that has come to Puntland} has vowed to take agreater role in the "reconciliation/rebuilding of Somalia
2ndly , what is your Constitution gonna do about fighting al shabaab or the mooryans which is code word for Hawiye ? NOTHING, ZERO!
You are all going to be part of the same country , and if "my plan" is taken into consideration , you're gonna be part of a region with the Hawiye as we are with the daaroods in Somaliland .
Short of a unilateral secession , this " Constitution" comes across as a tribal piece of paper that reinforces the Majeerten character of Puntland . Simple as that , I am sorry to say.

[mody21]

Does Puntland share its Bosaaso revenues with the South
Does Puntland send troops to Somalia to fight against Alshabaab

Its not about peace and stability Galmudug is also very peaceful imagine if Galmudug does the same and creates a whole country with in the county horta what does Puntland want to share with the federal state

The reason why Pl doesnt send troops to teh south is because AMiISON doesn't want this to happen you have nearly 20k bantu who are getting paid for "peacekeeping" the last time PL offered to send troops to the south amison said clearly no thank you, the excuse was that it would be seen as an invasion and there would be a clan war, the 40% number you said is beyond and exaggeration and I would challenge you to show proof. I believe that Pl does give some of the revenue from bosaso to the TGF I will have to do some research and find the actual number.

[SahanGalbeed]

Anyway , thank you for your insight , I am out .

[mody21]

I don't think their intention is to " blackmail". It has more to do with the continuation of a strategy that is "undecisive" to say the least which is contrary to the idea of Somalia they wanna portray . If anything it helps the Somaliland secessionist .
Badly thought .

there is no indecision saxiib, do you expect Pl to say the border are open everyone including the shababist and mooriyans to come in, you and khalid have this black or white idea of "be in somalia and suffer like the rest " or "leave somalia and declare independence " while PL sees the gray area, I can assure you if Pl wanted independence it would have achieved it long ago, right now Pl is in crisis management is somalia, while trying to get to a level where it can go into negotiation and work on uniting the rest of the country. your and Khalid are on the other hand fighting to portray Pl as a parasite when in fact there in nothing to parasite, instead of focusing on PL work on your foreign policy and get at least one country that willing to recognize you.

Whether somebody recognises Somaliland or not doesn't change the optics the rest of the Somalis have about us .We're currently are standing OUTSIDE and everybody knows it
You do not deep down , when you're honest with yourself , want anybody to recognise Somaliland , don't say it to score a point on a forum discussion board , it'll catch up with you , if it doesn't already { if I look harder}
First of all Puntland was created in 1998 . 14 yrs have since gone by .
2ndly , what is your Constitution gonna do about fighting al shabaab or the mooryans which is code word for Hawiye ? NOTHING, ZERO!
You are all going to be part of the same country , and if "my plan" is taken into consideration , you're gonna be part of a region with the Hawiye as we are with the daaroods in Somaliland .
Short of a unilateral secession , this " Constitution" comes across as a tribal piece of paper that reinforces the Majeerten character of Puntland . Simple as that , I am sorry to say.

I honestly and I say this with 100% un-adulterated sincerity do not care what somaliland does, the only reason some people give you relevance is because you are trying to take their land by force, you look down on your fellow somali and wish misery on them so that your European masters can say "oh its the only house with a door" your whole identity as a nation is based on hating "faqash" and you suffer from extreme tribal paranoia , and now you want to tell people how they are being tribalist , take your dramatics to hollywood saxib.