None of the people in TFG are coming back: BURN NOTICE.

[AbdiWahab252]

lol @ Waryaa. I know a couple of people who work for PM Abdiweli who are also his tol and wanted to send them sympathy emails Sharif Ahmed's corruption has been more blatant than Sharif Xasan or Abdiwelis.

Kudos to the group !!!!



Rightwing,

Last I heard only HJ were Make sure to share with the others.

[waryaa]

I think why sharif hassan has been in the game longer than any other politician is because his approach to somali politics transcends beyond tribal affiliations and divisions. He knows where his interest lies.

[AbdiWahab252]

Waryaa,

Just don't get listed too These investigations are music to my ears. The chances of my two favorite candidates succeeding have vastly improved.

[original dervish]

can`t say that I`m shocked or even surprised by all this.
still I reckon it aint no bad thing that we have a corrupt soon to be defunct "government".
Its good to see Somalis have evolved upwards, from shooting folk in the face and stealing their flip flops, to embezzling and pilfering.

[Mondey]

Perfetto

[udun]

I have not heard the report, so let me ask folks: Are the guys leading the investigation led by Matt Bryden? If so, it makes sense why he left out his favored regional government within the Somalia proper. As usual, he went after TFG and PL without investigating anyone else. The guy did not even went after the the $US 2 billion dollars that the UN corrupt bureaucrats waste every year in the name of Somalia.

Btw, this report was written to sideline certain politicians, and pave the way for other politicians favored by the powers that be that micromanage Somalia.

[original dervish]

from what I hear they already have Somali leaders lined up, briefed and ready to go in August.
they cant be any worse than the current bunch of clowns........can they?

[UlteriorMotive]

Fantastic news.

Though I'm not favour of the ''international community'' only dictating to weak African nations, someone needs to scare these Somali politicians. If this is followed by appearances at the Hague then

These parasites deserve no sympathy. They blatantly looted the small funds available to support the weak Somali government. Their actions resulted in third world countries like Uganda acting as an overlord over Somalis.

We are dictated to by Mahiga because these guys couldn't get their act together.



Hang the lot of 'em.

[UlteriorMotive]

Btw guys, I know there are tribal motivations behind certain members rushing to Farmaajo's defence but they are right.

I can confirm that he is clean.

The mass looting was going on under his nose but he wasn't personally involved. Let's give credit where it is due.

The rest of them are as crooked as the day is long.

[AbdiWahab252]

Udun,

Matt Bryden the Somalilander was the coordinator. You can find the entire report at: http://hiiraan.com/news/2012/July/warar ... -18622.htm

This is a good read bro

Ulterior,

These guys were eating more than the warlords

[waryaa]

awahab, it is the talk of the nation! Just today this old dude was on the phone saying I don't chew qhat but today, bring it to my home along with a printed copy of hiran article. He was all worked up. everyone is talking about it, whether on the phone or in person.

Two heroes emerged so far:
1- Fartaag: This man is real professional. In his own words, he was told to shut up and not publish his findings by then PM, Mr. Farmajo, a fellow clansman. He rejected the idea and went ahead with his his plan. Then he was sacked by no other than Famajo himself. In both cases, Farmajo is said to be pressured by his boss, the president.

2- Abdulahi yusuf: Some corrupted politicians and their cronies wanted to end contract with the company that printed the national passport at the time and create their own printing company. Mr. Yusuf could not be convinced and told them no. They wanted to do it behind his back in Nairobi, too bad he was tipped. However, they got their way as soon as he left office.

[guhad122]

Is Voltage still 19 years old? What a hypocrite. These thugs are all liars and criminals so please stop making exceptions. According to several sources and other facts in the report; then the minister of finance Xalane warned Farmaajo to at least do the looting in professional and accounted way. Farmaajo stole so much money that that the issue even came up during his removal negotiations. And please note that even though Xalane is Ogaden but I am here to tell you that he should have been on that list because he oversaw the looting of the Fat Guy, Farmaajo and the Prozac taking Abdiweli dude. Xalane was put in place to make the looting easier for everyone including himself. The only thing he did right was he sidelined Shariif Sakiin during his tenure as the minister of finance.
Voltage please don't take the qaraan-collecting tribal elders' words as their relevance is maintained through these kinds of clan bashing where only their clan is the smartest, the bravest, and the most in numbers.

[Based]

That is exactly my point there is nothing inherently illigal or dodgy about tax exemption many minister ask for organizations they work with be tax exempt, so to mention with no proof of extraordinary actions beyond request for tax exemption only undermines them, if they furnished proof that these tax exemption were to cronies or were being used inappropriately it would be another thing. so far all I hear from you is, oh they think its dodgy so it must be , in the normal world its innocent until proven guilty, and the fact of mention doesn't constitute guilt.

Once again, the SEMG felt compelled to mention in their report that a high volume of tax exemptions were granted by the PM. Regardless of the legality of the tax exemptions, the UN monitoring group for Somalia seems to imply something dodgy was occurring. As for innocent until proven guilty, you seem to be under the impression that this report is some sort of indictment, when it merely seeks to analyze the mismanagement of funds. The SEMG reports to the UN Security Council, not to any judicial body that would indict these folks.

There is actually no evidence that they furnish backing this claim, its merely them saying "we have obtained evidence that this happened" were is this evidence exactly?

They are the group doing the investigating. If they say they have obtained evidence, then we have to take their claim at face value. The monitoring group is an impartial, independent body that reports only to the UN, unless you're saying there's some sort of conspiracy at work.

did you actually read the whole article?

the articles states that during faarmajos tenure as a Pm 15 million were donated by the AUE, but that abdiweli who was working under faarmaajo at that time claimed only 10 million was received, and that of that 10 million 3.5 million was mismanaged by Pm faarmaajo, the money was not the responsibility of abdiweli as it was not donated during his term , it was the responsibility of farmaajo, abdiweli is actually defending faarmajo in a way when he says only ten million was donated, but that 3.5 of the ten million was mismanaged, notice he never made a claim about corruption. There is Absolutely nothing in this report that incriminates abdiweli. Thats the simple truth if you wanna argue for the sake of argument we can do that to.

Did you?

From the report:

"The MoFIN, for example, records a contribution from the UAE as US$15,000,000;

The Monitoring Group has confirmed that the UAE donated US$10,000,000 to the Farmaajo administration and US$5,000,000 to the Abdiweli administration.27

28. Lastly, TFG PM Abdiweli Ali informed the SEMG that the US$15 million from the UAE had been wrongly reported. He noted that in 2011 the Farmaajo Administration had received US$10,000,000 from the UAE, but only deposited US$6,500,000 to the Central Bank, and that his administration had received US$5,000,000, which was entirely deposited into the Central Bank account.28 The SEMG could not reach the Central Bank to confirm these claims and the Prime Minister could not understand why his Ministry of Finance had reported a higher amount than that registered by the Central Bank of Somalia."

10 mil was given to Farmaajo's admin, and 5 mil to Abdiweli's hence the 15 mil the Ministry of Finance reported. Abdiweli claimed 3.5 of the 10 Farmaajo receieved was missing, but the monitoring group could not verify the claims made by Abdiweli.

As for nothing implicates Abdiweli in this report, refer to my second point.

[bluelovelady]

Chapter 2: The plot thickens
http://www.hiiraan.com/news4/2012/July/ ... ssets.aspx

[mody21]

Once again, the SEMG felt compelled to mention in their report that a high volume of tax exemptions were granted by the PM. Regardless of the legality of the tax exemptions, the UN monitoring group for Somalia seems to imply something dodgy was occurring. As for innocent until proven guilty, you seem to be under the impression that this report is some sort of indictment, when it merely seeks to analyze the mismanagement of funds. The SEMG reports to the UN Security Council, not to any judicial body that would indict these folks.

There is actually nothing in the report that says there were high volumes of tax exemption, it only states that the PM requested tax exemption for certian companies he claimed were working with the TGF, there is actually absolutely nothing and I mean nothing dodgy about that what so ever, its like saying the president of the united states had a metting with the vice president and writing that in a report that alleges corruption, in a way it make gullible people like you who have their on agendas try to make that something wrong or worthy of suspicion when in fact that is in the job description of most public services workers. This is one of the things that made me suspicious about this report, which is at this point a "leak" (which in the wistleblower community is a another word for unreliable). If you want to claim abdiweli is in the wrong because he did something that was completely within his work field but that seemed "dodgy" then by all means.

They are the group doing the investigating. If they say they have obtained evidence, then we have to take their claim at face value. The monitoring group is an impartial, independent body that reports only to the UN, unless you're saying there's some sort of conspiracy at work.

I am not saying that there is some sort of conspiracy at work I am just saying I will not pass judgement based on hear say which is what this report is so far.There is no substantial evidence to back it up, what so ever. You on the other hand are attempting to accuse abdiweli who is so far the smallest fish in the pond, based on so called evidence that is not in the report? and your only come back is "well if they say they have it they must have it" does that make any sense?, if I go and accuse sharif of being a thief, and say "I have evidence trust me" is that enough to warrant any legitimacy?.

Did you?

From the report:

"The MoFIN, for example, records a contribution from the UAE as US$15,000,000;

The Monitoring Group has confirmed that the UAE donated US$10,000,000 to the Farmaajo administration and US$5,000,000 to the Abdiweli administration.27

28. Lastly, TFG PM Abdiweli Ali informed the SEMG that the US$15 million from the UAE had been wrongly reported. He noted that in 2011 the Farmaajo Administration had received US$10,000,000 from the UAE, but only deposited US$6,500,000 to the Central Bank, and that his administration had received US$5,000,000, which was entirely deposited into the Central Bank account.28 The SEMG could not reach the Central Bank to confirm these claims and the Prime Minister could not understand why his Ministry of Finance had reported a higher amount than that registered by the Central Bank of Somalia."

10 mil was given to Farmaajo's admin, and 5 mil to Abdiweli's hence the 15 mil the Ministry of Finance reported. Abdiweli claimed 3.5 of the 10 Farmaajo receieved was missing, but the monitoring group could not verify the claims made by Abdiweli.

As for nothing implicates Abdiweli in this report, refer to my second point.

He noted that in 2011 the Farmaajo Administration had received US$10,000,000 from the UAE, but only deposited US$6,500,000 to the Central Bank, and that his administration had received US$5,000,000, which was entirely deposited into the Central Bank account. The SEMG could not reach the Central Bank to confirm these claims

in which part of what you said is abdiweli incriminated in anything?, abdiweli claimed that 10mill was received from the UAE during faarmaajo tenure, but that 3.5mill was misappropriated, he also stated that the 5mill that his administration received was deposited completely into the central bank?, from what I read so far, the accused is not abdiweli but faarmaajo, and the fact of this "monitoring group" not being able to confirm this only shows incompetence and bad reporting on their part, if they claim to have "confidential" diplomatic channels, yet cannot confirm a single deposit to the central bank what legitimacy do they have? as for faarmajo if he has nothing to hide he would come out and defend himself just as abdiweli did.