Happy brith day Prophet Mohamed scw mawliid

[ZubeirAwal]

You are so indoctrinated you dont even see it. How the christians worship nabi ciisa is how I see some muslims doing towards rasuulallaah scw. Subxanallah
Allaah created all those men and everything in existence and you dont return thanks.

You don't even know what i do with my life, are you saying i don't praise and give thanks to Allah, who are you to judge, this is what everyone resorts to everytime i prove them wrong with xadiths, i know the status of my lord and of my prophet, and I am not indoctrinated, everything i do and how i think was developed on my own i never went to a single Islamic school since the age of 10, and yet by the grace of Allah i taught myself how to read the quran and to speak and write in arabic, and i know the status of the prophet, and i do know that he is alive and that every thursday a angel gives him the accounts of the Ummah, all this and i find no doubt because it is the absolute truth.

How dare you question my cibaada to Allah? who the hell are you to judge?

[Shirib]

Go learn tawhiid, the whole basics of Islam is that there is no intercession between God.

Making the Prophets (SAW) birthday a day of celebration is what the Christians did to Jesus' (AS) birthday. You've turned Rasulu'Allah's SAW birthday into Christmas.

Praying to dead people or asking them to intercede on your behalf is shirk and celebrating Rasulu'Allah's birthday is bidca.

If I were to celebrate Jesus' birthday and sing Christmas carols you'd be questioning if I was even Muslim, but you've made it okay for Nabi Muhammad's.

Mowliid isn't in the classic Islamic tradition. The Sahaaba who loved Rasulu'Allah more than we could ever love him didn't celebrate. A few hundred years, some Muslims met Christians, were like hey we should celebrate our Prophets birthday too, and we followed like sheep.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

You are so indoctrinated you dont even see it. How the christians worship nabi ciisa is how I see some muslims doing towards rasuulallaah scw. Subxanallah
Allaah created all those men and everything in existence and you dont return thanks.

and i do know that he is alive

[grandpakhalif]

All you brought is some fake account of Bilal ra doing shirk (remember this is the same saxabah that repeated axadun axad, axadun axad), the same sahabi whom the Prophet promised jannah now seeking help from other than Allah

You read fatixah every day and recite "Iyyaku nacbudu wa iyyaka nastaciin"

Only unto you we worship and only unto you we ask for help

So sufi boy show me an ayat which permits asking Prophet (SAW) for help when he's dead, indeed this is the practice of the mushrikiin for Allah is sufficient for us.

[ZubeirAwal]

What is the difference if you use the prophet as a intermedietory in Yawmul Qiyamah and today, do you think the prophets dead , nothing but bones and can't hear us and is capable of absolute nothing?

Sxb you can say what you want to say, but i'm smart enough to know that me saying Allahu Akbar, Alhamdulialh, and praising the prophet is nothing compared to Christmas.

Marwalba shirk shirk shirk bad leedahay, when the prophet said he does not fear we commit shirk rather we will divide, and don't doubt the authenticity of the hadith after it was verified by Ibn Kathir who is respected by your Najdi Imams.

And to your last sentence, i answered that question but you are like blind sheep you don't read but keep on bleating and repeating the same shit again.

The saxaba didn't do it and they loved the prophet more then us? so why should we do it?"

heres my answer, there are many things which were not practised by Sahaba and Tabiyeen, but later Ulama derived rulings on them looking at the principles, Therefore If anything does not contradict the principles of Shariah then it has always been allowed, for example the knowledge of Jirah wa Tadil in hadith, the knowledge of Asma ul Rijaal etc. The point is that their Asal is found in Shariah, similarly the Asal for rejoicing on Mawlid is found in Quran itself.


Cumar!

The Prophet said, upon him blessings and peace: “My life is an immense good for you: you bring up new matters and new matters are brought up for you. My death, also, is an immense good for you: your actions will be shown to me; if I see goodness I shall praise Allâh and if I see evil I shall ask forgiveness of Him for you.” (H.ayâtî khayrun lakum tuh.dithûna wa yuh.dathu lakum wa-wafâtî khayrun lakum tu`rad.u a`mâlukum `alayya famâ ra’aytu min khayrin h.amidtu Allâha wa-mâ ra’aytu min sharrin istaghfartu Allâha lakum.)
Narrated from Ibn Mas`ûd by al-Bazzâr in his Musnad (5:308-309 §1925) with a sound chain of trustworthy narrators as stated by:
1. al-Suyût.î in Manâhil al-S.afâ (p. 31 §8) and al-Khas.â’is. al-Kubrâ (2:281),

[Shirib]

only thing missing is decking the halls with boughs of holly a mistletoe and Christmas tree

[ZubeirAwal]

All you brought is some fake account of Bilal ra doing shirk (remember this is the same saxabah that repeated axadun axad, axadun axad), the same sahabi whom the Prophet promised jannah now seeking help from other than Allah

You read fatixah every day and recite "Iyyaku nacbudu wa iyyaka nastaciin"

Only unto you we worship and only unto you we ask for help

So sufi boy show me an ayat which permits asking Prophet (SAW) for help when he's dead, indeed this is the practice of the mushrikiin for Allah is sufficient for us.

So now you are saying the Hadith is false , by saying that you are going against your beloved Imam Najdi Muhammad bin Abdul wahab, along with Ibn Baz, Albani and others,

goormad noqoten Muxaddithiins?, he is asking the prophet to ask Allah, this is what you will do in yawmul qiyama, the prophet is alive in another realm and so asking him now will not make a differnece to asking him in yawmul qiyamah, infact, those who ask the prophet to ask Allah to send down rain from the heavens and such and such have a higher chance of their shifaac being accepted than those who deny and stop people from doing so in the dunya!

[ZubeirAwal]

only thing missing is decking the halls with boughs of holly a mistletoe and Christmas tree

As expected, a sign of defeat, you can't even answer my questions, wallahi 'm 17 and i'm hittin bricks to your dumb brain-washed heads, how many doubts will you have when you sleep, when you will wake up to the truth?

[Shirib]

only thing missing is decking the halls with boughs of holly a mistletoe and Christmas tree

As expected, a sign of defeat, you can't even answer my questions, wallahi 'm 17 and i'm hittin bricks to your dumb brain-washed heads, how many doubts will you have when you sleep, when you will wake up to the truth?

what was your question?

[ZubeirAwal]

What is the difference if you use the prophet as a intermedietory in Yawmul Qiyamah and today, do you think the prophets dead , nothing but bones and can't hear us and is capable of absolute nothing?

[grandpakhalif]

Abukeer,

It's kinda sad that you think you're correct when 3 other people are telling you otherwise and provided good daleel, carry on with your ignorance and bid'ah, I have done my part in relaying the truth.

[ZubeirAwal]

Abukeer,

It's kinda sad that you think you're correct when 3 other people are telling you otherwise and provided good daleel, carry on with your ignorance and bid'ah, I have done my part in relaying the truth.

3 people are not the whole Ummah, your Sheikh Al-Qarnush shaydan Muhammad ibn Abdul wahab was 1 man against the entire ummah, yet he said " The ottomans are kafirs, those who follow them are kafirs, those who doubt in their kufur are kafirs" , do know that your time ayyual-salafi is short, when the mahdi comes you will be slaughtered like pigs in hay for your betrayel against Islam, what Daleel have you provided, whereas i have provided Isan and sunan xadiths in the kutubs known as Bidaya wan nihaya, and fathxul bari? yet you say they are fake? what kind of you proof is that?

[Shirib]

What is the difference if you use the prophet as a intermedietory in Yawmul Qiyamah and today, do you think the prophets dead , nothing but bones and can't hear us and is capable of absolute nothing?

In yawmul qiyammah everyone is resurrected. Yes I think the Prophet is dead. He's been dead something like 1,381 years.

I don't know anything in Islamic theology that would suggest that the Prophet is capable of hearing us, except that hadith you put up, which I am not familiar with.

There isn't a whole lot of Islamic tradition that suggests that the Prophet is anything more than bones and is capable of things as he is dead.

In Surah Imran, Allah (swt) says, Muhammad (saw) is no more than a Messenger, and indeed (many) Messengers have passed away before him

[ZubeirAwal]

Yes that is correct, but what you don't know that a angel gives our works to the prophet and he reads them, and on thursday nights he directly hear our salawat's on him, and thats why if you are in a dhikr session and ask for shifaac it is accepted because it is brought to him by the angel and the prophet answers the request, just how he did with Bilal ibn Xarith.

I have several points:

1. Prophets don't decay in their graves, they remain intact.

2. Prophets are alive in their grave, the prophet said whilst he was on his way to Al-Quds he saw Musa (A.S) praying in his tomb

3. The prophet does answer a request E.G if a muslim all the way in Naukhchott in mauritania is suffering drought and says " Ya rasulalah, ask Allah to send down rain we have suffered enough" , rain will follow with the blessing of Allah, the reason is this because point no.3 , the prophet is alive in his grave , not physically but spritiually in another realm, you should know that there are 7 dimensions in this earth alone, and on each one there are different time spans, the whole topic is complicated but there are proofs from the Quran for it.

The good thing about this is that Allah loves us if we love his beloved, and if you just say he's dead, useless, gone, like what Uthaymeen said " Muhammad ba3da wafat la yanfac", thats showing 0 respect, and if you say that is just the 'truth' then you are speaking like the kuffar who rely on on physical proof to see Allah the same way you would need physical proof to know the prophet spiritually is with us.

The bad thing is , is what is going on in this very thread, that is , the concept of intercession is being misunderstood and is seen by others as putting the prophet alongside Allah (Nacuudu billah min hada) when it is clearly not.

I would say it is something that can be done but doesn't have to be done, but if it is done , and if it is done right then it has rewards in it.