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The first time I heard of Helen Thomas is when she made her controversial comments about Palestine. I always knew she existed, but I dismissed her as another Jew White house reporter. When she made the comment to Jews to get out of gaza, I was shocked to learn she is a daughter of a Lebanese family. Then it made sense, she is Lebanese, that's why she is supporting Palestine. God gave us qabil, race, religion to relate to each other. TO bond and support each other. The day, qabil and racism will be over is the day when humanity will unite under one nation, offsprings of immigrants, just like the united states. This reporter would never have spoken for Palestine had she not been Lebanese. Its all about --belonging to a team, one does not join a team! U r born to support who u support!

God gave us qabil, race, religion to relate to each other. TO bond and support each other. The day, qabil and racism will be over is the day when humanity will unite under one nation, offsprings of immigrants, just like the united states.

Dumb "blond"That's Islam not the Jewnited States as is evident in that Travon debacle

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United states is not 100% fixed. Wait till the white and black race disappear and a lot of mulato fill the streets-- then there will not be black and white.

grandpakhalif wrote:Insigne is right and you are all wrong, we assume this lady died on kufr, since we have no access to her heart. We as human beings take what is apparent.

Umar bin Khattab: “We consider only the apparent in regards to Imaan and kufr, we do not consider that which is concealed.”

There's a huge difference between assuming a person died on kufr and saying with certainty that they're going to hell.

That's Allah's decision.

Insigne wrote:

Rabshoole wrote:She'll be missed, this country needs more realists such as herself, RIP Helen

See this one Abuukar?

He won't be forgiven. He knows the truth yet he still persists with his haram. Just like the Banu Israeel, the most detested of humanity in the eyes of Allah.

Do you want to be like him or are you better?

Itaqallah, brother.

By pass me with your rants kid, and go learn about your diin instead of sounding like a munafiq.

grandpakhalif wrote:That's Allah's decision.

Well yeah, but now you're just agreeing with everyone else after saying they were all wrong

Keyblade wrote:

grandpakhalif wrote:That's Allah's decision.

Well yeah, but now you're just agreeing with everyone else after saying they were all wrong

Key

I am sorry to shock u, but James is NOT as fat as that photo suggests. I know u want to bond with a fatty like u, but the athletic basket baller is NOT fat like u.

Basra- wrote:The first time I heard of Helen Thomas is when she made her controversial comments about Palestine. I always knew she existed, but I dismissed her as another Jew White house reporter. When she made the comment to Jews to get out of gaza, I was shocked to learn she is a daughter of a Lebanese family. Then it made sense, she is Lebanese, that's why she is supporting Palestine. God gave us qabil, race, religion to relate to each other. TO bond and support each other. The day, qabil and racism will be over is the day when humanity will unite under one nation, offsprings of immigrants, just like the united states. This reporter would never have spoken for Palestine had she not been Lebanese. Its all about --belonging to a team, one does not join a team! U r born to support who u support!

thats not the only reason.
even a fundementalist hindu nationalist that hates muslims will relate to the palestinians,
because they too experienced colonialism.
only europeans and americans are confused.

A List of Nations Which Voted For, Against, or Abstained on Granting Palestine a Non-member State Status in the UN
As is evident ,the vast majority of the worlds people are sympathetic to the Palestinian course

1. The 9 nations opposing the Palestinian request for a non-member state status in the UN:

Israel, US, Canada, Czech Republic, Panama, and four small islands in the Pacific Ocean (Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, and Palau).

2. The 41 nations abstaining (not voting) on the Palestinian request for a non-member state status in the UN:

Albania, Andorra, Australia, Bahamas, Barbados, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Colombia, Croatia, Democratic Republic of Congo, Estonia, Fiji, Germany, Guatemala, Latvia, Malawi, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Holland, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Poland, South Korea, Moldova, Romania, Samoa, San Marino, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Togo, Tonga, UK, North Ireland, and Vanuatu.

3. The 138 nations voting for the Palestinian request for a non-member state status in the UN:

Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Antigua, Argentina, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Chili, China, Comoros, Congo, Costa Rica, Ivory Caust, Cuba, Cyprus, Denmark, Djibouti, Dominican, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Finland, France, Gabon, Gambia, Georgia, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Guyana, Honduras, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Ireland, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, Kirghizstan, Laos, Lebanon, Lesotho, Libya, Lichtenstein, Luxemburg, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Malta, Mauritania, Mauritius, Mexico, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, New Zeeland, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, North Korea, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Peru, Philippines, Portugal, Qatar, Russia, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Sao Tome and Principe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Seychelles, Serra Leon, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Africa, South Sudan, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Surinam, Swaziland, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Tajikistan, Thailand, Eastern Timor, Trinidad Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, Tanzania, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Viet Nam, Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe.

AbuukarSubeer wrote:

Insigne wrote:She is a kaffir.

Even Abu Talib is in Jahanam. Go learn your religion. Idiot.

I know more than to sit behind a screen and condemn the dead to hell whom you have no buisness with,

Fear Allah and know that you are in no position to make such statements or to judge others, her judgment is with her Creator, and her Creator is the most merciful and forgiving. And Allah's rahma, is greater than his wrath, a lady who was a prostitute, fed a starving cat water and the prophet said because of that she's going to jannah, so I advise you to guard your wretched tongue before you condemn your own self to hell.

Yes, however we judge by the apparent like Al-Faaruuq RC said. So we say that what we see is that she died on kufr.

The Prohibition of supplicating for Polytheists Print E-mail
Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn Al-Musayyib said that his father Al-Musayyib said, "When Abu Talib was dying, the Prophet went to him and found Abu Jahl and `Abdullah bin Abi Umayyah present. The Prophet said,

«أَيْ عَمِّ، قُلْ لَا إِلَهَ إِلِّا اللهُ كَلِمَةً أُحَاجُّ لَكَ بِهَا عِنْدَ اللهِ عَزَّ وَجَل»

(O uncle! Say, `La ilaha illa-llah,' a word concerning which I will plea for you with Allah, the Exalted and Most Honored.) Abu Jahl and `Abdullah bin Abi Umayyah said, `O Abu Talib! Would you leave the religion of Abdul-Muttalib' Abu Talib said, `Rather, I will remain on the religion of Abdul-Muttalib.' The Prophet said,

«لَأَسْتَغْفِرَنَّ لَكَ مَا لَمْ أُنْهَ عَنْك»

(I will invoke Allah for forgiveness for you, as long as I am not prohibited from doing so.) This verse was revealed,

﴿مَا كَانَ لِلنَّبِىِّ وَالَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ أَن يَسْتَغْفِرُواْ لِلْمُشْرِكِينَ وَلَوْ كَانُواْ أُوْلِى قُرْبَى مِن بَعْدِ مَا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُمْ أَنَّهُمْ أَصْحَـبُ الْجَحِيمِ ﴾

(It is not (proper) for the Prophet and those who believe to ask Allah's forgiveness for the Mushrikin, even though they be of kin, after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the Fire.) Concerning Abu Talib, this Ayah was revealed,

﴿إِنَّكَ لاَ تَهْدِى مَنْ أَحْبَبْتَ وَلَـكِنَّ اللَّهَ يَهْدِى مَن يَشَآءُ﴾

(Verily, you guide not whom you like, but Allah guides whom He wills) ﴿28:56﴾.'' This Hadith is recorded in the Two Sahihs. Ibn Jarir recorded that Sulayman bin Buraydah said that his father said, "When the Prophet came to Makkah, he went to a grave, sat next to it, started talking and then stood up with tears in his eyes. We said, `O Allah's Messenger! We saw what you did.' He said,

«إِنِّي اسْتَأْذَنْتُ رَبِّي فِي زِيَارَةِ قَبْرِ أُمِّي فَأَذِنَ لِي، وَاسْتَأْذَنْتُهُ فِي الْاسْتِغْفَارِ لَهَا فَلَمْ يَأْذَنْ لِي»

(I asked my Lord for permission to visit the grave of my mother and He gave me permission. I asked for His permission to invoke Him for forgiveness for her, but He did not give me permission.) We never saw him more tearful than on that day.''' Al-`Awfi narrated from Ibn `Abbas about Allah's statement,

﴿مَا كَانَ لِلنَّبِىِّ وَالَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ أَن يَسْتَغْفِرُواْ لِلْمُشْرِكِينَ﴾

(It is not (proper) for the Prophet and those who believe to ask Allah's forgiveness for the Mushrikin) "The Prophet wanted to invoke Allah for forgiveness for his mother, but Allah did not allow him. The Prophet said,

«إِنَّ إِبْرَاهِيمَ خَلِيلَ اللهِ صلى الله عليه وسلّم قَدِ اسْتَغْفَرَ لِأَبِيه»

(Ibrahim, Allah's Khalil, invoked Allah for his father.) Allah revealed,

﴿وَمَا كَانَ اسْتِغْفَارُ إِبْرَهِيمَ لاًّبِيهِ إِلاَّ عَن مَّوْعِدَةٍ وَعَدَهَآ إِيَّاهُ﴾

(And Ibrahim's invoking (of Allah) for his father's forgiveness was only because of a promise he ﴿Ibrahim﴾ had made to him (his father)). '' `Ali bin Abi Talhah narrated that Ibn `Abbas commented on this Ayah, "They used to invoke Allah for them (pagans) until this Ayah was revealed. They then refrained from invoking Allah to forgive the dead among them, but were not stopped from invoking Allah for the living among them until they die. Allah sent this Ayah,

﴿وَمَا كَانَ اسْتِغْفَارُ إِبْرَهِيمَ لاًّبِيهِ﴾

(And Ibrahim's invoking (of Allah) for his father's forgiveness was only...) ﴿9:114﴾.'' Allah said next,

﴿فَلَمَّا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُ أَنَّهُ عَدُوٌّ لِلَّهِ تَبَرَّأَ مِنْهُ﴾

(But when it became clear to him ﴿Ibrahim﴾ that he (his father) is an enemy of Allah, he dissociated himself from him) ﴿9:114﴾. Ibn `Abbas commented, "Ibrahim kept asking Allah to forgive his father until he died, when he realized that he died as an enemy to Allah, he disassociated himself from him.'' In another narration, he said, "When his father died he realized that he died as an enemy of Allah.'' Similar was said by Mujahid, Ad-Dahhak, Qatadah and several others. `Ubayd bin `Umayr and Sa`id bin Jubayr said, "Ibrahim will disown his father on the Day of Resurrection, but he will meet his father and see dust and fatigue on his face. He will say, `O Ibrahim! I disobeyed you, but today, I will not disobey you.' Ibrahim will say, `O Lord! You promised me that You will not disgrace me on the Day they are resurrected. What more disgrace than witnessing my father being disgraced' He will be told, `Look behind you,' where he will see a bloody hyena -- for his father will have been transformed into that -- and it will be dragged from its feet and thrown in the Fire.''' Allah's statement,

﴿إِنَّ إِبْرَهِيمَ لأَوَّاهٌ حَلِيمٌ﴾

(Verily, Ibrahim was Awwah and was forbearing.) means, he invoked Allah always, according to `Abdullah bin Mas`ud. Several narrations report this from Ibn Mas`ud. It was also said that, `Awwah', means, `who invokes Allah with humility', `merciful', `who believes with certainty', `who praises (Allah)', and so forth.


That is tafsiir by ibn kathir.

What apparent you did not know the lady, only people who knew her throughout her 92 years can make apparent statements, I'm sure Umar Faruq (RA) meant by those who are known to us this is someone you didn't even know, so leave it to Allah.

Why risk yourself by saying he or she is going to hell, better to say nothing and keep yourself safe, as muslims we worship Allah and thats it, we don't judge others we are no authority.

Im not saying she is going to hell. only Allah knows. HOwever we judge by the apparent. And what we see is a woman who died and did not become a muslim and died as a kafir.