Somalia has no future as a state.

[AbdiJohnson]

The problem is religion. Islam encourages clan identity and says: "God divided you in clans so you can get to know each other". Other people got rid of their clan identities but not Somalis because their religion encourages clan identity. It doesnt even allow you to adopt your adoptive father's clan even if your biological dad was a deadbeat who left your mom before you were born. Your adoptive father who was with you from changing your diapers to teaching you how to drive to passing away beside his adopted son on his death bed is not allowed to give his adopted son his identity. This is how much clan is important in Islam. No ifs, ands or buts

And to make things worse, nationalism is a big sin in Islam. You can't love your country. You can't fight for your country. You can only fight for Islam or people who are a threat to you and your community (your family and your clan). That's it

I am,

Abdi "If only our ancestors treated the Arabs like the European colonizers" Johnson

[quark]

I am glad more folks are realizing indeed this there is no future as a nation together

[grandpakhalif]

The problem is religion. Islam encourages clan identity and says: "God divided you in clans so you can get to know each other". Other people got rid of their clan identities but not Somalis because their religion encourages clan identity. It doesnt even allow you to adopt your adoptive father's clan even if your biological dad was a deadbeat who left your mom before you were born. Your adoptive father who was with you from changing your diapers to teaching you how to drive to passing away beside his adopted son on his death bed is not allowed to give his adopted son his identity. This is how much clan is important in Islam. No ifs, ands or buts

And to make things worse, nationalism is a big sin in Islam. You can't love your country. You can't fight for your country. You can only fight for Islam or people who are a threat to you and your community (your family and your clan). That's it

I am,

Abdi "If only our ancestors treated the Arabs like the European colonizers" Johnson

You filthy atheist, no xaar washing liar. Islam does not encourage tribalism at all, there are countless hadiths in which the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) explicitly stated that tribalism is rotten leave it. He also describes tribalism as a concept of jahiliyyah that will plague our ummmah. Islam promotes love between fellow Muslims, in fact prior the Prophet's arrival to Medinah the two Arab tribes there Aws and Khazraj were at each other's throats for 40 years, battling each other day after day until Islam united them and put what Allah describes:

(and remember Allah's favor on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His grace, you became brethren) ﴿3:103

Stop spreading misinformation about our beautiful religion, I understand your insecure about your future after death but don't bash Islam to convince yourself that atheism is the truth

[Meyle]

I am glad more folks are realizing indeed this there is no future as a nation together

Too bad..



















































But you're stuck with the rest of former Somalia italiana and you're going nowhere

[AbdiJohnson]

Qabiil is very important in Islam. So important you go to the hellfire for being a sheegato.I didn't say it encourages tribalism. It encourages clan identity. You cant deny this Encouraging clan identity leads to clannism. This is fact. This is why former clan based societies in the world got rid of the clan system

Somalis are not allowed to fight for their country but are expected to fight for strangers 8,000 miles away because they share the same religion. Somalis believe in this very well. That is why Somalis are fighting in Syria but not against Ethiopia. Somalis will join clan militias and not the Somali military. Somalis will get sin for fighting for Somalia. This is haram. Nationalism is a huge dambi. Somalis dont fight against Ethiopia or Kenya because they have no nationalism and they have no nationalism because religion tells them they are not allowed. Shabab fights Ethiopia and Kenya as a religious holy war, not for Somalia. Kikuyus and Tigrays are in Shabab as Muslims.


I am,

Abdi "I state nothing but truth" Johnson

[GalliumerianSlayer]

Is Somali's believe that Nationalism was haram, there would be no Somalia. If other Muslims believe that nationalism is haram, than there would be no Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Tunisia, Sudan, Egypt, etc....

[Hodan94]

reer koonfur comparing Somaliland to themselves. first of all we have an entire different culture and customs than you.
tribal elders from all factions in Somaliland come together to demand peace.. we they younger ones from all walks of life in sl respect them...not long ago hsm sent tribal elders to be beaten up Guantanamo style by his troops..something that would be deeply ashamed of if siilanyo did this.

secondly you say sl is 1 tribe. first of all you are totally wrong with this and as far as I can see, using all cards to weaken sl you now come out with 1 tribe domination. you don't know our style of politics as to welcoming all tribes because you don't have one. and as far as the sl tribes are concerned each and everyone has their fair share. and will do so if the majority of kashmiris find their way back to their real home instead of camping their caravans in pugland. door is always open for any and every sl native.

now tell me whats with koonfur the people that dominated the whole Somali politics from its independence till now is darood and hawiye. now tell me if you claim to have more tribes down south how come they never had their fair share of governance?

don't come out with information you cannot back.

as for the title 'Somali has no futue' of course in this rate it has no future. Amisom is there to stay permanently because of your corrupt leader, the amisom also receive salary that I personally cannot even receive i'm talking about individuals on the ground and their governments, what makes u think they're going to leave when you tell them?
as for that UN report that came out last week. hopefully it has woken many good Somali's up and for them to take action against corruption.
these ppl don't care for their citizens, as far as i'm concerned the country is a big business and sooner of later before you know it, you'll be back on un trusteeship like the 50's.
it would be a huge embarrassment if this occurs, no country in the world apart from a few islands are on the list.

[original dervish]

Move on naya.

[Hodan94]

Move on naya.

Kashmiri boy

[HusseinHassan]

now tell me whats with koonfur the people that dominated the whole Somali politics from its independence till now is darood and hawiye.

you just happen to be a minority in somali politics.

[Meyle]

now tell me whats with koonfur the people that dominated the whole Somali politics from its independence till now is darood and hawiye.

you just happen to be a minority when it comes to somali politics.

Lol @ minority.. If it wasn't for Isaaq there wouldn't have been a Somali republic secondly we wholeheartedly believed in Somaliweyn as a concept hence our desicion not to demand anything other than unification during the illegal union, little did we know that we would be backstabbed by treacherous and conniving Somalis.


Today we're the only functioning entity of the former Somali republic, held countless democratic elections and we're not coming back, we're working towards international recognition.



Darood and Hawiye should fix Somalia

[quark]

I am glad more folks are realizing indeed this there is no future as a nation together

Too bad..







But you're stuck with the rest of former Somalia italiana and you're going nowhere

Snet did a number on this nigga

[Meyle]

^

[Bilis]

secondly you say sl is 1 tribe. first of all you are totally wrong with this and as far as I can see, using all cards to weaken sl you now come out with 1 tribe domination. you don't know our style of politics as to welcoming all tribes because you don't have one. and as far as the sl tribes are concerned each and everyone has their fair share. and will do so if the majority of kashmiris find their way back to their real home instead of camping their caravans in pugland. door is always open for any and every sl native.

now tell me whats with koonfur the people that dominated the whole Somali politics from its independence till now is darood and hawiye. now tell me if you claim to have more tribes down south how come they never had their fair share of governance?

Somaliland is indeed basically a single clan, Isaaq project. No other qabil really has any major stake or interest in the region. On the ground, it is also essentially limited to the actual Isaaq degaans of Togdheer and Woqooyi Galbeed.

reer koonfur comparing Somaliland to themselves. first of all we have an entire different culture and customs than you.
tribal elders from all factions in Somaliland come together to demand peace.. we they younger ones from all walks of life in sl respect them...not long ago hsm sent tribal elders to be beaten up Guantanamo style by his troops..something that would be deeply ashamed of if siilanyo did this.

Nonsense. Isaaq/Somaliland culture is standard northern Somali pastoral culture. There's nothing unusual or distinct about it.

FYI, all ethnic Somalis except the Sab have northern origins. Please inform yourself.

[Meyle]

Somaliland is not a single clan project. We happen to be majority around 70 % of the population. Gadubiirsi the second largest clan is smaller than the 4 largest Isaaq sub clans respectively. Somaliland currently controls approximately 95 % of its territory. Our soldiers were stationed at Gambadhe which is 40 km from Gayrowe to now being just 25 km from Gayrowe




You wish that Somaliland was only confined to Maroodi Jeex and Togdheer. You wish that it was a clan project but it's not.




Your own thoughts are not facts.



Lol @ Siciid Samatar that faqash revisionist.