This Pharoah looks straight up somali

[Grant]

"Pretty much what I said. T/M70 was originally in the near-east, Egypt and the Horn before the afro-asiatics migrated from the sahara plains east into egypt, the near-east and the horn of africa. So T is the original haplogroup of the Horn, not E3b."

LiquidHYDROGEN

Yup. Well and concisely put. That's the hypothesis I like too.

[MaliPrince]

do you have a fear of being called black? most somalis have black skin so get over it.

And did you personally saw 'most' of these somalis with black skin? Dude I'm Somali full stop. I'aint Black nor am I a Arab. Who the fuck calls himself a colour? Do u think I have the adoon mentality? Somali N Proud

race is a social construct moron. in america is there is no somali race. to be scared to call yourself black means you've fallen for the myths of white superiority. when someone asks me where I'm from I say I'm Somali. when someone asks what race I am, I say BLACK.

[MaliPrince]

I always gets mistaken for being Brazilian the world has to understand Somalis has their own unique look

no we don't. the pure Somali looks like the rest of the other cushtic tribes in the Horn. your just a mixed Somali who has attributes that are not native to the Horn. we look no different in the aggregate than the Oromo, Afar, etc. and in addition we have many intermediate forms of people that are part Somali and part other. these mixed populations are the ones that resemble the semetic tribes in the horn like the Amhara and Tigre.

please stop with this MYTH that we have some unique look. we have pure Somalis that resemble their neighbors in the Horn and then we have a mixed Somali stock that resemble the Amhara/Tigre and some of the even lesser Somali that resemble Arabs or Indians.

[MaliPrince]

I of course agree with the part in bold. But some of the guys you posted had timo jareer, let's be honest.

you seem to be confusing curly hair with jareer. the TRUE somali has soft curly hair. I would say K'naan's hair texture for example is a perfect example of the pure Somali hair type. Curly locks that are not as tightly curled as the bantu tribes but also not loose and straight like the whites/arabs/indians.



the straight hair hindi look some Somalis have is not the pure Somali type. its an obvious result of admixture with non-African groups who were assimilated into the Somali people over the centuries.

Also, as you know, timo jileec refers to soft texture, and timo jareer to the opposite of that.

yup. soft curly hair is the Somali phenotype. jareer just means coarse hair which is the typical bantu phenotype. there is a reason Somalis use the term timo hindi to describe Somalis with straight hair. that was obviously a foreign look to our ancestors.

[Bilis]

you seem to be confusing curly hair with jareer. the TRUE somali has soft curly hair. I would say K'naan's hair texture for example is a perfect example of the pure Somali hair type.

First you state that your relatives have bushy hair. Then when I shrug and say ok and suggest that you have timo jareer, you insist that you don't and that you instead have timo jileec like that would be bomber. Now you're posting that rapper dude (who actually has different hair texture from the would be bomber) as the new "typical" type.

Make up your mind sxb.

In the meantime, here is an old study for your edification:

In hair form the Ethiopians also have their own system, which hardly agrees with ours. It has three divisions; lüchai, meaning “straight,” gofari, meaning “curly,” and another term which signifies extremely negroid, or peppercorn. Actually, no single highland Ethiopian with straight hair was measured in the author’s series, although one apparently straight-haired Agau was seen. Among the Amharas, 80 per cent were called “curly,” and the rest “straight,” according to native terminology; among the Gallas the same 20 per cent of “straight” were found, while among the Sidamos this rose to 30 per cent. Actually, the gofari class included both curly hair in a Hadhramaut sense, and frizzly hair of a negroid character. Hair which the Ethiopians themselves considered negroid was confined to a few individuals who were to all purposes pure negroes, and undoubtedly slaves.

According to our own classification, 40 per cent of the Amharas have non-negroid, wavy or curly hair,66 and the rest frizzly; the non-negroid class among the Gallas is 30 per cent, among the Somalis 86 per cent. Some of the Somalis actually have straight hair. Although our series of Sidamos is too small to be reliable, it indicates that these people are not as frequently negroid in hair form as are the Amharas.

yup. soft curly hair is the Somali phenotype. jareer just means coarse hair which is the typical bantu phenotype. there is a reason Somalis use the term timo hindi to describe Somalis with straight hair. that was obviously a foreign look to our ancestors.

Timo hindi is a colloquial term for bone straight hair. It doesn't describe the actual hair texture; only jileec vs. jareer do. In fact, timo hindi is itself jileec because timo jileec refers to soft hair texture.

Anyway, it's like I thought; this phenotype is quite exotic for you. Unlike many here, you personally cannot relate to the Pharaoh's phenotype, so the OP's message is lost on you.

the straight hair hindi look some Somalis have is not the pure Somali type. its an obvious result of admixture with non-African groups who were assimilated into the Somali people over the centuries.

No sxb.

The Afro-Asiatic ancestors of Somalis and other related groups in the Horn migrated down from the Nile Valley. Genetic, linguistic, cultural and archaeological elements all demonstrate this.

These ancestral Afro-Asiatic peoples shared the same ultimate origins as the Ancient Egyptians. And the Ancient Egyptians overwhelmingly had jileec/soft-textured hair, which was either curly, wavy or straight. Actual examination of their physical remains has shown this:

In addition to its style, the color, texture, type, and general condition of the hair can also be examined. Hair color is a fascinating study in itself, and the wide range of shades portrayed in Egyptian art does, to a large extent, reflect the diverse range found in reality. The most common hair color then, as now, was a very dark brown, almost black color, although natural auburn and even (rather surprisingly) blonde hair are also to be found. With their great fondness for elaboration, the Egyptians’ skillful use of dyes has produced yet further shades for us to study, analysis showing many to be various forms of henna, which even an aged Rameses II had used regularly to rejuvenate his white hair.

The vast majority of hair samples discovered at the site were cynotrichous (Caucasian) in type as opposed to heliotrichous (Negroid), a feature which is standard through dynastic times

Below is the mummy of the Queen Hatshepsut. She was the Pharaoh who sent the great expedition to the Land of Punt (which was likely in the Horn), with her delegates bringing back frankincense and other items to Egypt. As you can see, she too was jileec:



Abdullahi Yusuf and Ahmed Karaash are thus good examples of individuals who have largely retained the phenotype of the ancestral Afro-Asiatic settlers:




A few more average examples:

[Arabman]

Someone please clarify; were ancient Somalis who were related to ancient Egyptians from Puntland?

[Hodan94]

Someone please clarify; were ancient Somalis who were related to ancient Egyptians from Puntland?

yes they used to go to puntland to do trading's....even ancient Egyptians believed that their ancestors came from puntland...hence the close ties...
and after the romans captured Egypt many of them ended up seeking refuge in puntland and had lived there ever since.

however even today we don't know where the REAL puntland is..

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Actually, the land of Punt, if it is located in Somalia at all (there's still debate that it's in eritrea or even arabia), would correspond to Somaliland and/or Djibouti not Puntland.

[Arabman]

however even today we don't know where the REAL puntland is..

Frankincense and myrrh, which were imported by the Egyptians from Punt, are still found in abundance in Puntland. I don't think it's found as much in Somaliland or Somalia. It's the unique terrain in Puntland that supports the cultivation of frankincense and myrrh. The following map and site supports the fact:

Today, most of the internationally-traded myrrh and frankincense are produced in the southern Arabian peninsula (Oman, Yemen) and in northeast Africa (Somalia).
http://www.itmonline.org/arts/myrrh.htm

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

SL is one the biggest exporters in frankincense and myrrh in the entire of Africa. Most
, if not all, the incense of Somalia comes from Sanaag.

[Meyle]

I don't think it's found as much in Somaliland

Your own map disproves you. In the Somali peninsula most of the Frankincense and Myrrh comes from the Golis mountain range and Sanaag. More than 60% of Frankincense and Myrrh comes from those areas within SL.

[Arabman]

^ Sanaag is a disputed region. Most of the people who live there are related to those in Puntland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puntland%E ... nd_dispute

[Meyle]

It proves you know nothing about Sanaag.

The region belongs to Somaliland and Sanaag is divided into 5 districts.


Xiis & Maydh - Isaaq
Ceel Afweyn - Isaaq
Cerigaabo - Shared even though it's majority Isaaq
Laas Qoray - Harti
Badhan - Harti


Population wise the Isaaq sub clans outnumber the rest.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

80% of Sanaag is under SL admin, the rest is soon to be reclaimed. Anyway, what do know about Sanaag? Let's just say that we have more control over Sanaag than your gov has over Mog. And no, the majority population in Sanaag aren't related to Puntland in any way, they are eastern Isaaq.

[Arabman]

^ There's a dispute, therefore, it cannot be claimed to be part of Somaliland. Besides, Wikipedia disproves you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanaag#Demographics