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Lamgoodle wrote:

Perfect_Order wrote:Women, women, women ba lagu waaladay. :@

I think it is "waashay".

it's what I said

Education is crucial to emancipation.

I think this statement here is worth having a discussion about. People often equate having an education with freedom in today's world. Although I do agree that knowledge is power, having a formal education does not make one free, especially for minorities. Even the term minority denotes that you belong to a group with limited social, political and economic power/influence. With or without a degree, a visible minority is still subjected to types of institutionalized racism and/or other social obstacles. Education aides in opening one's mind, gaining perspective, looking into past historical accounts, basically becoming a conscious individual, and this type of education doesn't have to be institutionalized. We often don't associate autodidactism with contemporary education but it's crucial for one's own development.

As for losernimo, parents' will often write off a man with lower level credentials than their daughter as a loser. That includes men with degrees, diplomas and/or certificates. Having two degrees or a masters doesn't necessarily mean your daughter will make more money than a man with a bachelor's, especially in this economy. We're also at a point of history where the value of a post secondary degree/diploma in the marketplace has diminished. As a community we should start accepting people who have taken alternative routes, such as attending a technical college or learning a trade, as suitable partners and providers.

Lillaahiya wrote:

Education is crucial to emancipation.

I think this statement here is worth having a discussion about. People often equate having an education with freedom in today's world. Although I do agree that knowledge is power, having a formal education does not make one free, especially for minorities. Even the term minority denotes that you belong to a group with limited social, political and economic power/influence. With or without a degree, a visible minority is still subjected to types of institutionalized racism and/or other social obstacles. Education aides in opening one's mind, gaining perspective, looking into past historical accounts, basically becoming a conscious individual, and this type of education doesn't have to be institutionalized. We often don't associate autodidactism with contemporary education but it's crucial for one's own development.

As for losernimo, parents' will often write off a man with lower level credentials than their daughter as a loser. That includes men with degrees, diplomas and/or certificates. Having two degrees or a masters doesn't necessarily mean your daughter will make more money than a man with a bachelor's, especially in this economy. We're also at a point of history where the value of a post secondary degree/diploma in the marketplace has diminished. As a community we should start accepting people who have taken alternative routes, such as attending a technical college or learning a trade, as suitable partners and providers.

well said you are by far the most eloquent somali sister on this forum i can see you are educated AND down to earth (not arrogant)

^

Lillaahiya wrote:

Education is crucial to emancipation.

I think this statement here is worth having a discussion about. People often equate having an education with freedom in today's world. Although I do agree that knowledge is power, having a formal education does not make one free, especially for minorities. Even the term minority denotes that you belong to a group with limited social, political and economic power/influence. With or without a degree, a visible minority is still subjected to types of institutionalized racism and/or other social obstacles. Education aides in opening one's mind, gaining perspective, looking into past historical accounts, basically becoming a conscious individual, and this type of education doesn't have to be institutionalized. We often don't associate autodidactism with contemporary education but it's crucial for one's own development.

As for losernimo, parents' will often write off a man with lower level credentials than their daughter as a loser. That includes men with degrees, diplomas and/or certificates. Having two degrees or a masters doesn't necessarily mean your daughter will make more money than a man with a bachelor's, especially in this economy. We're also at a point of history where the value of a post secondary degree/diploma in the marketplace has diminished. As a community we should start accepting people who have taken alternative routes, such as attending a technical college or learning a trade, as suitable partners and providers.

Interesting reply.

But at the end of the day, any form of education is the key to prosperity, peace and development. And afcourse a healthy relationship.

^ Nvm, you edited your post.

Lillaahiya wrote:we should start accepting people who have taken alternative routes, such as attending a technical college or learning a trade, as suitable partners and providers.

Agreed. Funny thing is tradesmen can often make more money than white collar workers here. Don't know why Somali guys write it off.

Lillaahiya wrote:^ Nvm, you edited your post.

Ur were about to same something right?

So the problem is the "institution" aka Somali culture and normative practices....and as indicted by your observation to be ill fated with unchallenged men at its helm, to which a redress is only possible through the course of emancipation of the women folk via eduction.

Henceforth the "disintegration" of the country and the dawn of new life in a new social body where the Somali female's bright future is partially realized in the diaspora. Problematic in its own rite, educating the girls posed a gender gab in the eduction and workforce. A new reality dawns in the Somali community where girls outperform boys in schools and boys grow up to be "losers" destined for "fadhikudirir" And what's girl to do but marry one such man as she's still in the fold of her institution's counsel outside of this would be met with the disapproval of her parents... and to challenge this, we are further unravelling a deeper issue... The problem continues. Allahu Akbar!

So, I agree with your assessment..to an extent. The problem is "institution" devoid of equitable values for amicable gender roles and relations, the one left behind as well as current(diaspora)

Happy woman's day?? Ok, Many happy days.... Inspiration, improvement and achievement that predates march 8th and this borrowed modern movement.

InaSamaale wrote:

Lillaahiya wrote:we should start accepting people who have taken alternative routes, such as attending a technical college or learning a trade, as suitable partners and providers.

Agreed. Funny thing is tradesmen can often make more money than white collar workers here. Don't know why Somali guys write it off.

A large portion of families living in qurbaha were well-off in Somalia. Imagine coming from the upper echelon of society and your son becomes a carpenter Or your daughter marries a plumber. Imagine if your fam wasn't even from the upper echelon of society but they struggled to bring you to the West, the land of opportunity, and instead of taking advantage of the education system, you pick up a trade. Blue collar work isn't prestigious, especially among Somalis, but someone has to do it.

Somali females are not too bright to begin with. But when their small brains are occupied with the garbage they learn in their sociology, Psychology, Nursing etc they become intolerably stupid. Don't get offended ladies, the somali male brain isn't much bigger.

Lillaahiya wrote: A large portion of families living in qurbaha were well-off in Somalia. Imagine coming from the upper echelon of society and your son becomes a carpenter Or your daughter marries a plumber. Imagine if your fam wasn't even from the upper echelon of society but they struggled to bring you to the West, the land of opportunity, and instead of taking advantage of the education system, you pick up a trade. Blue collar work isn't prestigious, especially among Somalis, but someone has to do it.

I understand that but if that carpenter builds you a house and that plumber makes enough to finance your house, I think any reasonable parent would be proud in the long run. Either ways, there are enough young guys that work in factories breaking their backs, I respect the hustle but end of the day, you could making more without any long-term commitment to studying, which I get isn't everyone's cup of tea. It also fits well with the 'waa la naqonoyaa' movement since skilled work is in demand back home.

@ LiquidHydrogen

InaSamaale wrote:

Lillaahiya wrote: A large portion of families living in qurbaha were well-off in Somalia. Imagine coming from the upper echelon of society and your son becomes a carpenter Or your daughter marries a plumber. Imagine if your fam wasn't even from the upper echelon of society but they struggled to bring you to the West, the land of opportunity, and instead of taking advantage of the education system, you pick up a trade. Blue collar work isn't prestigious, especially among Somalis, but someone has to do it.

I understand that but if that carpenter builds you a house and that plumber makes enough to finance your house, I think any reasonable parent would be proud in the long run. Either ways, there are enough young guys that work in factories breaking their backs, I respect the hustle but end of the day, you could making more without any long-term commitment to studying, which I get isn't everyone's cup of tea. It also fits well with the 'waa la naqonoyaa' movement since skilled work is in demand back home.

@ LiquidHydrogen

If everyone thought like u.

What is better than qof gacantiisa malanayaa.

Interesting discusssion. I think one of the reasons why Somali guys don't do as good as the girls in school is because they socialize too much. For example, almost every Somali community, in any given city in the diaspora, has a little place where Somali guys gather and socialize. Call it fadhi ku dirir or not. They waste massive amounts of time talking or playing board games. Also most Somali guys are active in sports and would spend huge chunks of their time playing soccer or basketball. On the other hand Somali girls dont really go out much. If they are not on cumpus or at work, they are home. This works to their advantage and I think as some people mentioned both the boys and the girls should be groomed from young age if we are to eliminate this problem.

You have to understand the somali mentality is still stuck in the middle-ages. They still think the trades are low-wage, demeaning vocations. The truth is in the modern age technical jobs are highly demanded and also, depending on where you live, are well-paid. Not as prestigious and lucrative like a doctor or engineer, but I'd rather my son learn a trade than earn a degree in mickey mouse studies.