hargeysa should remotely involve in the somali politics

[thegoodshepherd]

abdiwahab252, jebertis on our side of our two counties' borders are not as large nor influential than in ur side....heck s/land dooros are a small minority that can be forced into accepting their ssc land as part of our independent s/l state
snm believed that the one sided 1960 union would have continued under either caydiid or cali mahdi, just like before and after 1969 coup. the decision to dissolve the cursed union on 18 may 1991 is vindicated

Delusions, no my boy, merley fact. You had no hope of ever unseating Darood if all somalis did not unite. One qabil kept yours under subjagation for decades ceeb you should stay quiet and inside the triangle that is your land. Why do you have to coordinate with hutu in order to bring down Darood?? Because neither could do it alone Neither measure up, so they cut Darood down to size. All of Somalia must UNITE to keep Darood from ever becoming too powerful. But Darood remembers what he is, he is never content with equality, only domination and subjugation of others!

[skywalker25]

abdiwahab252, jebertis on our side of our two counties' borders are not as large nor influential than in ur side....heck s/land dooros are a small minority that can be forced into accepting their ssc land as part of our independent s/l state
snm believed that the one sided 1960 union would have continued under either caydiid or cali mahdi, just like before and after 1969 coup. the decision to dissolve the cursed union on 18 may 1991 is vindicated

Delusions, no my boy, merley fact. You had no hope of ever unseating Darood if all somalis did not unite. One qabil kept yours under subjagation for decades ceeb you should stay quiet and inside the triangle that is your land. Why do you have to coordinate with hutu in order to bring down Darood?? Because neither could do it alone Neither measure up, so they cut Darood down to size. All of Somalia must UNITE to keep Darood from ever becoming too powerful. But Darood remembers what he is, he is never content with equality, only domination and subjugation of others!

You kid have watched way way to many movies and its left you detached from reality. Get a grip son on soon you will be sectioned....

Darod are in todays Somalia fighting over the crumbs, disunited and leaderless. Thats the truth but you can keep your eyes closed and bless us with your over imaginative mind. We did clowns to laugh at..looool

[thegoodshepherd]

Fighting over crumbs!! Tell me when your people have Port cities on the Indian Ocean and the gulf of Aden or when they have the largest river valley in Somalia. Oh I forgot you don't have those "crumbs" because you are langaab. I have 50% of the landmass that is Somalia in Puntland and Jubaland . Crumbs?? I think not, I think you are salty and jealous because Allah has favored us

THANK YOU LAWD

[skywalker25]

Blah blah blah port, something, blah blah blah. You wrote a whole paragraph to make no points. Jubbaland and Puntlands president is Hawiye now bow down to your masters.

[thegoodshepherd]

Bakhtii
The man who lives here (BANTU Burundi)

Has NO power over these men (DAROOD ASSEMBLE )


Laakin qaashin langaab ah ba tahay whose father and grandfather were ruled by Darood for decades, maybe even centuries if you count the Sayyid BAAX tell your xaar to your friends at the mifrish

[STARKAST]

Darood live in 60% of Somali lands. Skywalker why are you still talking.

[BigBreak]

dooros you are today rightfully irrelevant, isaaq and hawiye both own you and this is why:
viewtopic.php?f=250&t=346934

the futures bright, the futures IRIR

[sahal80]

Since I'm the poster and did not involve in a clan shyt why these guys r changing the thread into a karbashing thread?

What I suggested is purely political not clanish!!

Kurdish an sunni arabs are the worst enemies in iraq while the centralist shia and the separatist kurds were yesterdays allies also has no land disputes like the case with sunni-arabs(old iraqi sunni regimes have implemented the sunni arabs in the historical kurdish lands)

Now, the rich kurdish are offering the oilless sunni arabs 10 years of financial funding if they adopt an autonomy option and 20 percent of their oil revenues if they adopt dividing iraq into 3 countries!!

I said somaliland has gained an independent status under hassan sheekh so remotely they should partake in keeping the political balance for their common interests because the other options like the federalists will make somaliland an equal region of other regions, even the professor samatar is againist this clan-based federalism.

Allah give us a reason to think ahead, we can solve the somali problems by going one way and direction not going back to the old ways.

No problem we will make sure the power sharing to stay within the south! Aint bothered of north! Works too!!.

[gurey25]

kurds have to cooperate because they have turkey that will invade them and fuck them with Iranian and baghdad aproval if they step out of line.
Its an entirley different subject, the kurds have real threats and face a real political challange.

Hassan shiekh or the federalists aignt shit.
There is nothing of value to be hained by engaging with DJ or the federalists.

why cant you understand this?

hassan shiekh can give us nothing.
Hassan shiekh attempting to look reasonable is actually against our interests, you dont understand it but he has scored points against us in the game . We benefit more from the federalists because they will be more confrontational.

Somaliland desperatly needs a confrontational government in Moqadishu,

[AbdiWahab252]

Pipe dreams that mislead Caydiid who got betrayed by the SNM who chose accommodation with the Jeberti over the agreed upon framework of waging complete and total war against the Siyaadists until they capitulated.

betrayed? thats rich isnt it blaming us for your incompetence,.
We had a deal and agreement between us USC, and SPM
its not our fault that the USC disintegrated and started killing each other?
what did you expect us to do? choose sides?

send surplus SNM south so they can kill abgaal for you?

Gurey,

The agreement included terms to fight Siyaadists and force them into capitualation. Silaanyo was the one who refused the operations in the East yet there was not the same kind of opposition against the Siyaadists in Awdal. At the very end, Somaliland gave the Siyaadists of the East breathing room and allowed them to rest & recuperate to haunt Silaanyo and his team today.

SNM was quick to jump the gun and missed out on a power play, assuming Somaliland's mantle, as a founding state of the Somali Republic and instead choosing political isolation. If they had remained active and ensured their end of the agreement, it would have forced capitulation by the Siyaadists and brought another serious partner to the negotiating table instead of it being Caydiid vs. 12 Siyaadist parties.

Hassan Sheik is reaching for straws if he tries to negotiate with Somaliland because if Caydiid failed to succeed how could Hassan expect success ? After all without Caydiid, Siyaad Barre would have still been ruling the entire country including the cities of the north. Caydiid was the fatal blow who ensured that SNM was able to seize control of the cities which were still held by the Siyaadists.

[sahal80]

kurds have to cooperate because they have turkey that will invade them and fuck them with Iranian and baghdad aproval if they step out of line.
Its an entirley different subject, the kurds have real threats and face a real political challange.

Hassan shiekh or the federalists aignt shit.
There is nothing of value to be hained by engaging with DJ or the federalists.

why cant you understand this?

hassan shiekh can give us nothing.
Hassan shiekh attempting to look reasonable is actually against our interests, you dont understand it but he has scored points against us in the game . We benefit more from the federalists because they will be more confrontational.

Somaliland desperatly needs a confrontational government in Moqadishu,

The kurds have solved the problem with turkey by letting her have the oil deals. According to the iraqi constitution, only the central govt can export the oil but now kurds are exporting it! Turkey is againist kurdish state but they new ruling party in turkey is empowering them and the sunni arabs againist the shia regime wich is allied with syria.

[gurey25]

Pipe dreams that mislead Caydiid who got betrayed by the SNM who chose accommodation with the Jeberti over the agreed upon framework of waging complete and total war against the Siyaadists until they capitulated.

betrayed? thats rich isnt it blaming us for your incompetence,.
We had a deal and agreement between us USC, and SPM
its not our fault that the USC disintegrated and started killing each other?
what did you expect us to do? choose sides?

send surplus SNM south so they can kill abgaal for you?

Gurey,

The agreement included terms to fight Siyaadists and force them into capitualation. Silaanyo was the one who refused the operations in the East yet there was not the same kind of opposition against the Siyaadists in Awdal. At the very end, Somaliland gave the Siyaadists of the East breathing room and allowed them to rest & recuperate to haunt Silaanyo and his team today.

SNM was quick to jump the gun and missed out on a power play, assuming Somaliland's mantle, as a founding state of the Somali Republic and instead choosing political isolation. If they had remained active and ensured their end of the agreement, it would have forced capitulation by the Siyaadists and brought another serious partner to the negotiating table instead of it being Caydiid vs. 12 Siyaadist parties.

Hassan Sheik is reaching for straws if he tries to negotiate with Somaliland because if Caydiid failed to succeed how could Hassan expect success ? After all without Caydiid, Siyaad Barre would have still been ruling the entire country including the cities of the north. Caydiid was the fatal blow who ensured that SNM was able to seize control of the cities which were still held by the Siyaadists.

Caydiid aun failed to reconcile with his own party!! his own clan
yes the manifesto group was full of siyadists but they used the clan card, caydiid should have been smart enough to play politics.
It not reasonable for us to get involved in an interclan war.

You know very well that 3/4 of the Somali national army were in the north, you fought a weak force with the most political officers i.e useless. You took Xamar quickly because Siyad barre was an idiot and was surrounded by sycophant idiots.
All he had to do to stay in power would have been to withdraw from the strategically useless cities of burco and hargiesa and keep the highlands around shiekh and berbera.
These can be defended with less than 1/5 of the forces and his airfield and port would be safe from SNM shelling.
Move back most of your troops to south and crush the USC.
Siads dynasty could have been in power for another few years till the USC develop enough skills to resume the offensive.

[Warabaha]

True guled, usc attacks on siyaad speeded up the process for SNM so they retook Somaliland quickly. about 2/3 of the Somali army was in north, all of the Somali air force with south African pilots were in the north bombarding hargeisa and berbera. Usc had to deal with small under equipped forces, non the less usc attck shifted some of faqash attention and hampered their moral as well as kicking afwayne out of the then capital.

[original dervish]

Let's return to the original thread.

Hassan sheikh has a confrontational 1990s usc mindset, and an inflated opinion of his capabilities.
This has led him to numerous political defeats...J/Land, Hiiraan, Igad, Ethiopia/Kenya, donors, IC etc etc.
Instead of changing course and taking a more conciliatory approach with his opponents, he has decided to up the ante and reignite the rebel alliance.
Suffice to say most iidoor can see through his juvenile scheme and have told him to do one.

The writings on the wall for ole smile

ps the snm tried numerous times to take Las Anod....but were repelled with heavy casualties.
Don't believe their nonsense about being merciful......they wanted to do in LA what they did in Borama.

[Warabaha]

Let's return to the original thread.

Hassan sheikh has a confrontational 1990s usc mindset, and an inflated opinion of his capabilities.
This has led him to numerous political defeats...J/Land, Hiiraan, Igad, Ethiopia/Kenya, donors, IC etc etc.
Instead of changing course and taking a more conciliatory approach with his opponents, he has decided to up the ante and reignite the rebel alliance.
Suffice to say most iidoor can see through his juvenile scheme and have told him to do one.

The writings on the wall for ole smile

ps the snm tried numerous times to take Las Anod....but were repelled with heavy casualties.
Don't believe their nonsense about being merciful......they wanted to do in LA what they did in Borama.

trust me if Hassan had a 1990s usc mindset, you would know it. Do you think darod would utter the name of that failed jubbaland project. I think you are still having nightmares from what usc did to you 25 years ago.

secondly you said SNM could not take lascanod, you are mistaken because SNM could have easily taken lascanood killing everyone and then move on to majertenia, how ever the isaaq elders at the time said to snm to not kill innocent people, they did not want what was going on in the south were people were hunting darod killing women and children to happen in north. They were very wise although lots of snm wanted to destroy those areas.