POLL: Should Somalia adopt the Federal system?

[flyWOODY]

mudulood is abgal, ujjeen, hilibi and wacweytaan. I never seen in my life a facaye and marehaan is much smaller than abgal. hawiye subclans have small # of mps because hawiye has many subclans to share among 61 mps. Darod has fewer. Beesha Issa has 10 MPs and dont even live in Somalia. 4.5 system is bullshit

[XimanJaale]

mudulood is abgal, ujjeen, hilibi and wacweytaan. I never seen in my life a facaye and marehaan is much smaller than abgal. hawiye subclans have small # of mps because hawiye has many subclans to share among 61 mps. Darod has fewer. Beesha Issa has 10 MPs and dont even live in Somalia. 4.5 system is bullshit

Listen we don't have time for my clan is bigger than your clan debate. Those debates are for insecure people. Somalia has never took census from clans, for all we know Abgaal could be less that the Hilibi clan you have mentioned that I have never heard about. Don't derail the thread.

[samatar133]

Ximanjaale is against federalism not because of patriotism but because he thinks it does not serve his small clan. That is quite obvious to everyone, I guess, who was aware of Ximan's opinions in this forum over the years. Regardless of his motivation, he right on this one, federalism is not good for Somalia, the sooner they revert back to centralism the better for them.

My clan inhabit vast land in Somalia (Gedo, Middle & Lower Jubba, Galgaduud, Mudug) and are laandheere not only that we also have the largest amount of MP's in the government. , so if I was qabil-minded I would had supported federalism. But no, I have greater interest for my country than my tribe.

You are just pathetic to take everything personal, this thread is not about me. So I advice you take your grudges and emotions aside. Don't derail this thread by fixating on me, not cool.

Nothing personal sxb, I am talking about the reality on the ground and what probably motivates you against federalism. If Bare Hiiraale was ruling Kismayo and not Axmed Madoobe, judging on your previous behavior in this forum, you would have supported federalism. Unfortunately or maybe fortunately Axmed Madoobe and his clan are ruling kismayo that is why you are against federalism.

Also it is not an exaggeration that your clan is small in Somalia. The most significant settlements of your clan in Somalia are two small border towns, Bulo-xaawo and Cabudwaaq, that is all. You are no were to be found in Middle and Lower Jubbas apart from kismayo town which you are outnumbered by others. In Mudug and Galguduud, your clan is found only in the relatively small and depopulated district of Cabudwaaq, population wise and landwise you don't amount to anything meaningful in the middle regions. In Gedo, you might be the largest group but at best you make up to 60% and at worst 45% of the population. The rest are Raxanweyns, Garre and Dirs etc of Baardheere, Luuq and Ceelwaaq.
You must have understood that a federalist system that demands contiguous regions to form a federal unit does not favor a group whose main settlements are two small border towns in far away and separated regions.

About your clan's numbers in the parliament, you must thank the 4.5 system. This advantage will disappear when democracy comes, it doesn't really matter if it comes with federalism system or unity system, it will disappear when one person one vote system comes.

[XimanJaale]

Also it is not an exaggeration that your clan is small in Somalia. The most significant settlements of your clan in Somalia are two small border towns, Bulo-xaawo and Cabudwaaq, that is all. You are no were to be found in Middle and Lower Jubbas apart from kismayo town which you are outnumbered by others. In Mudug and Galguduud, your clan is found only in the relatively small and depopulated district of Cabudwaaq, population wise and landwise you don't amount to anything meaningful in the middle regions. In Gedo, you might be the largest group but at best you make up to 60% and at worst 45% of the population. The rest are Raxanweyns, Garre and Dirs etc of Baardheere, Luuq and Ceelwaaq.
You must have understood that a federalist system that demands contiguous regions to form a federal unit does not favor a group whose main settlements are two small border towns in far away and separated regions.

About your clan's numbers in the parliament, you must thank the 4.5 system. This advantage will disappear when democracy comes, it doesn't really matter if it comes with federalism system or unity system, it will disappear when one person one vote system comes.

You have written nearly an essay to spew your hatred and resentment you have for Mareexaan.

But it is understandable coming from a laangaab Isaaq like you to call others langaab. I will not answer you illiterate so-called census of Marehan clan where they inhabit and how much of the population they make. I don't have time to brag about size, because I already know how influential my clan is.

I will just answer this question:

Nothing personal sxb, I am talking about the reality on the ground and what probably motivates you against federalism. If Bare Hiiraale was ruling Kismayo and not Axmed Madoobe, judging on your previous behavior in this forum, you would have supported federalism. Unfortunately or maybe fortunately Axmed Madoobe and his clan are ruling kismayo that is why you are against federalism.

I don't give a fuck about Barre Hiiraale or whom rules Kismaayo. Because at the end of the day the people in Kismaayo today are just stooges for Kenya including my clansman like Fartaag and they are only in power in Kismaayo because of foreign troops. Ahmed Madoobe does not rule beyond Kismaayo and neither does he have the manpower to do so.

So no I'am not against federalism just because Axmed Madoobe is in Kismaayo. I have already stated my reasons why I'am against federalism, go read my initial post of this thread.

Like I told you before, if I take the tribal mindset Federalism is a benefit to my Marehan clan (Gedo, Middle & Lower Jubba, Galgaduud, Mudug), but also my bigger Daarood clan. (Gedo, Lower & Middle Juba, Galgaduud, Mudug, Nugaal, Bari, Sool, Sanaag, Cayn).

[samatar133]

Ximan, don't be emotional sxb, no one hates your small sub clan. I am just trying to tell the facts as they are without exaggeration. You see federalism as no good for your sub clan for good reasons, that is why you are against it. No one is paying your silly patriotism cover. If you were clanist rather than sub clanist, in other words if you were Daaroodist rather than Mareexanist, you would have supported federalism, but you are not. In reality, you are neither patriot nor clan minded person but you are sub clan minded person interested only in the affairs of a sub clan and that is a fact.

[XimanJaale]

Ximan, don't be emotional sxb, no one hates your small sub clan. I am just trying to tell the facts as they are without exaggeration. You see federalism as no good for your sub clan for good reasons, that is why you are against it. No one is paying your silly patriotism cover. If you were clanist rather than sub clanist, in other words if you were Daaroodist rather than Mareexanist, you would have supported federalism, but you are not. In reality, you are neither patriot nor clan minded person but you are sub clan minded person interested only in the affairs of a sub clan and that is a fact.

Did I say people hate my sub-clan? If anything Mareexaan are the most loved clan in Somalia. The only people that despise my clan are the bitter Eydoors and the pathetic Dhabacyo's.

Secondly, what does this thread has to do with my personal agenda? Why are you obsessed and evaluating my so-called sinister motive? I have already mentioned my reasons for opposing federalism, as I have explained that due to Somali tribalism it will not be productive for Somalia to adopt the federal system rather it will only cause more chaos and division. I gave the town of Gaalkacyo an example in which two so-called federal states control it. If Gaalkacyo cannot be shared amongst one federal state, how do expect the rest of Somalia to form non-qabil based federal state?

I never asked people to question my motives, and this topic has nothing to do with me. It is a topic about Somalia's political system and people have to discuss their opinions on which one is better for Somalia. But a cuqdad person like you that suffers from inferiority complex is rather more focused on me.

You are simply fixated with me and Mareexaan in general, hence your silly outburst and desperation to call Mareexaan laangaab when in reality you know they are nothing but a large influential clan that enjoys the support of many Somali clans.

I suggest you stop derailing the thread with your insecurities. You are a eydoor and a secessionist, you either state your opinion on this thread or simply don't participate.

[samatar133]

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You are all over the place buddy

Throwing meaningless words likes eydoor, insecurity, secessionist etc won't change facts I have mentioned.
Anyway, keep going with your threat, I have voted for federalism is bad for your country, Somalia.

[XimanJaale]

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You are all over the place buddy

Throwing meaningless words likes eydoor, insecurity, secessionist etc won't change facts I have mentioned.
Anyway, keep going with your threat, I have voted for federalism is bad for your country, Somalia.

You are the only one all over the place, I'am not the one throwing tantrums. Neither was this thread about Mareexaan or me, in which you decided to include.

It was a simple topic, you state your opinion and vote. You don't discuss my clan or mention me. Very simple

Such a silly insecure person you are

[MJ360]

Ximan, don't be emotional sxb, no one hates your small sub clan. I am just trying to tell the facts as they are without exaggeration. You see federalism as no good for your sub clan for good reasons, that is why you are against it. No one is paying your silly patriotism cover. If you were clanist rather than sub clanist, in other words if you were Daaroodist rather than Mareexanist, you would have supported federalism, but you are not. In reality, you are neither patriot nor clan minded person but you are sub clan minded person interested only in the affairs of a sub clan and that is a fact.

We are all guilty of being sub clan minded, Ximanjaale tho. is also a damn lackey and that's the sad part.

[GIJaamac]

I think by now almost all somalis know that the federal system is impossible in Somalia and will not be implemented. The clear majority of the citizens will vote against the federal constitution and centralism will be adopted once again. Nice to see some daarods accepting the harsh truth. Somalia will be directly ruled from Mogadishu.

[StormShadow]

I think by now almost all somalis know that the federal system is impossible in Somalia and will not be implemented. The clear majority of the citizens will vote against the federal constitution and centralism will be adopted once again. Nice to see some daarods accepting the harsh truth. Somalia will be directly ruled from Mogadishu by Ugandan and Burudian.

[XimanJaale]

I think by now almost all somalis know that the federal system is impossible in Somalia and will not be implemented. The clear majority of the citizens will vote against the federal constitution and centralism will be adopted once again. Nice to see some daarods accepting the harsh truth. Somalia will be directly ruled from Mogadishu.

The central system also means that the regions will govern themselves i.e. elect their own mayors, governors and MP's. So the government does not control Mogadishu (capital) only but the whole country.

I'm thinking of the benefit of the country and not my clan. I'm sure you don't want your country to be forever known as the failed state? the most poorest and most illiterate? Right? If not then be the better person and stop holding grudges on certain Daaroods. If these Daarood act clannish be the better the man and don't be like them. We don't have time for clan rivalry, this disease has made us refugees and a laughing stock to the world. No clan in Somalia will be prosperous without uniting with other clans. Somaliland and Puntland is an example, have they become prosperous by rejecting their fellow Somalis? Nope, they are dying in the seas doing tahriib.

Reality: Without unity no Somali will be prosperous, therefore competing with each other is not productive but a curse.

[STARKAST]

I think it would be better if you focus on transforming Gedo. You'd never see a HJ focus on Hargeisa etc etc etc etc....

Centralism is best for Somalia, however we just need to learn all (Muslim) clans were created equal.
However its hard sharing a country with Hawiye.

[Substance]

I think by now almost all somalis know that the federal system is impossible in Somalia and will not be implemented. The clear majority of the citizens will vote against the federal constitution and centralism will be adopted once again. Nice to see some daarods accepting the harsh truth. Somalia will be directly ruled from Mogadishu.

Somalia will allways be ruled from xamar, no doubt in this but it will change in the future to be a capital for everyone and this harsh truth you need to come to accept. Xiinow do what you do best and prepare that red carpet for the kings return.

[XimanJaale]

I think it would be better if you focus on transforming Gedo. You'd never see a HJ focus on Hargeisa etc etc etc etc....

Centralism is best for Somalia, however we just need to learn all (Muslim) clans were created equal.
However its hard sharing a country with Hawiye.

How is me focusing on Gedo going to make Somalia a better country? This topic is about type of government Somalia should have, this thread is not about Mareexaan or Gedo you dumb retarded ape.

People with your mentality is why Somalia is a failed country, a poor and illiterate country and a laughing stock the world. You worship qabil like a God. Who the fuck told you to mention Habar Jecel or Hargeisa? Who the fuck told you to mention Mareexaan or Gedo? You f-king loser.