Feminism in Islam

[EvolSyawla]

I agree bucuraawi, if we as Muslims had our prioritize right (deen ----> secularized education) there wouldn't be so much hysteria around complex issues in this religion.

No hysteria here, believe me. Seems like someone asking a question is what causes the panic. One of the signs of the end of times is that women will lead nations, how many do you see

One of the signs of yaumal qiyamah is that women will be queens/empresses/presidents?

[ZubeirAwal]

Offtopic but, are your inspirations individuals like Queen Sheba/Bilqees who ruled southern Arabia in the time of Sulayman (AS).

[EvolSyawla]

Not particularly, no. Why? Will that be another sign of qiyamah?

[Keyblade]

I have been unavailable, but have returned so bear with the long response:

Considering all the great evil committed in this world was done by men, I stand by my statement.

Since women historically have never had the power or equal opportunity to commit all of those evils, statistically speaking who else would have committed them? Having your cake and eating it too, not bad

Statistically speaking? Women must fight 10x as hard for opportunities of power, and when it does happen, either by succession or force:
Queen Hatshepsut my favorite
Queen Cleopatra
Nefertiti
Empress Theodora
Queen Semiramis
Zenobia
Queen Makeda of Sheba
Empress Suiko
Eleanor of Aquitaine
Queen Catherine "the Great"
Empress Hsiao-ch'in
Joan of Arc

Just to name the most prominent. None of whom (as much as I can tell) were known for cruelty, murder, corruption, greed, sexual perversion etc. Great women when, with opportunity, were instrumental in the betterment of their empire, kingdom or country.

Yes, statistically speaking. Since there have been significantly more men throughout history who led nations than there were women, the fact that they've committed more evil than women isn't down to some inherent character flaw or something, but to the statistical near-guarantee that would be the case. If you had a sample of 100 guys and 1 girl take one basketball shot, and 40 guys made the basket while the girl missed...would it be fair to say that men are inherently better shooters than women because all of the made-baskets were by men and that no woman made a basket?

[EvolSyawla]

Granted, but take any 12 males and compare them. My point would still be proven. Anyways this got off topic lol All I am saying, is that as per someone else's comment, if women ruled the world (which is not the point of my thread) the world would be in chaos. More so than it is right now. lol

[Phinks]

Lol? Where do I begin?

We are not less intelligent ...

Science disagrees with you there. Investigations into IQ scores show two clear tendencies (but not all investigations show both): Firstly, men are on average more intelligent, leading women by several points—according to some sources more than five points. Secondly, men have a larger standard deviation than women. The overall effect of this is that men dominate the higher IQ reaches, and the higher the IQ grows the larger the dominance becomes.


"http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/all/... claims a grand total of 835 individuals and 21 organisations as winners. With the above 43 being female winners, we are left with almost twenty times as many male winners. Worse yet, a clear majority of the female winners have come in the non-science categories literature and peace—the last of which does not require intellectual accomplishment of any kind. In physics and chemistry the grand-total of female wins are six—three of which belong to Marie Curie or her daughter. And of which only one has come past 1964—and I find it odd in the light of claims of women being intellectually oppressed until the last few decades.


You can deny it all you want.

Also, If you are this wonderfully enlightened regarding women, please stop with the constant misogynistic comments.

men, generally the more stupid, selfish and heartless sex

Hypocrite?






Look, it is men who do the dirty, dangerous work of building roads, pouring concrete, laying bricks, tarring roofs, hanging electric wires, excavating natural gas and sewage lines, cutting and clearing trees, and bulldozing the landscape for housing developments. It is men who heft and weld the giant steel beams that frame our office buildings, and it is men who do the hair-raising work of insetting and sealing the finely tempered plate-glass windows of skyscrapers 50 stories tall.


And I'd like to you provide some answers Evolsyalwa,


Explain to me why all the greatest minds in history, were/are Men.


Heck! Let's go even DEEPER!

Why has every prophet that had been sent by Allah (swt) had indeed been a male but not a female?



I concede that women occupy important positions as judges, company directors, journalists, professors of science and mathematics. And quite right, too. There is no disputing that.

Yet the stubborn facts of history remain. Very few truly original scientific discoveries have been made by women. There are no women geniuses in physics or mathematics to rival Newton or Einstein.

There are no great women poets. None at all. Even though women have occupied an important role in the English theatre since the time of the Restoration of Charles II, there are no works of drama by women which can match Shakespeare, Chekhov or Racine.

The truth is that they have had their chance to excel, and in spite of well-meaning people everywhere trying to give them the chance, the female Rutherford, the female Shakespeare and the female Richard Wagner have simply not appeared.

There are also no female philosophers - original philosophers such as Plato or Wittgenstein - though there are plenty of clever women who can 'teach' philosophy in colleges and schools.


And that is why, when highfliers are needed - in the arts, the sciences, in the world of engineering and mechanics, in music or in painting - men will always be the ones who come out on top, and women at the top will be very great rarities.

For instance, at the near-genius level (an IQ of 145), brilliant men outnumber brilliant women by 8 to one. That's statistics, not sexism.


You can Scream, shout and smash your forehead on your keyboard all you want, but the fact remains that men are superior to women.


#FACT

[Keyblade]

Granted, but take any 12 males and compare them. My point would still be proven. Anyways this got off topic lol All I am saying, is that as per someone else's comment, if women ruled the world (which is not the point of my thread) the world would be in chaos. More so than it is right now. lol

Honestly, I have no idea what's going on in this thread so imma stop playing devil's advocate and let you do your thing

[Reacher]

Some of you are doing disservice to Islam. If one cares and is sincere about their faith, they are careful not to instigate or demean someone with a legitimate quest to understand an Islamic issue. Some of you are really doing damage to the Islamic cause. Honest Muslims do research on a subject, collect best understanding of a verse or Hadith then present those scholarly opinions and let the person decide for themselves.

Many societies in Europe(The Balkans) accepted Islam for its justice and the freedom it gave them. They opted for the equality, for the education and ownership Islam offered to the servitude and peasantry they were forced to live in for centuries by landlords and the church. When Islam knocked their door and in their neighborhood, they came to it in droves for what they saw in it. Today, Muslims are the biggest put offs of Islam. One look at them and one wants to throw up out of disgust with their attitude and behavior, their hypocrisy and bigotry.


Keep your mouth shut please if you are not sincere. You serve Islam that way better.

[Reacher]

I bet some of you didn't know that Women also will outnumber men in heaven as well based on a hadith. "By Jabir said, Allah be well-pleased with him: I heard the Messenger of Allah say, upon him blessings and peace: “I entered Paradise and saw that most of its dwellers were women.” [ Narrated by al-Bayhaqi in “al-Ba`th wal-Nushur” and Ibn Asakir in “Tarikh Dimashq” .


Why are they a majority in both places? I don't know personally.


The prophet pbuh presented the statistics he was privy to both in heaven and in hell and wanted women to be aware of what he saw so they could avoid situations that could lead them to a negative outcome as faithfuls. Just as females outnumbering men in heaven wouldn't belittle men as men, their higher number in Hell doesn't mean they are worse than men. An opportunity for them to avoid what leads to that place perhaps?


Anyway, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT if you care about Islam and your knowledge is lacking in a subject. Do research, find best answers, then bring them over to share.



Someone mentioned how science proves men are more intelligent. I wanna see that research.

[EvolSyawla]

^ walaal gacaliye, thank you. Great points. Many in this thread have perverted an innocent inquiry and changed the tone entirely. I'm not bothered, as it only shows their flaws.

[StormShadow]

I bet some of you didn't know that Women also will outnumber men in heaven as well based on a hadith.

They will also outnumber men in hell.

[EvolSyawla]

I bet some of you didn't know that Women also will outnumber men in heaven as well based on a hadith.

They will also outnumber men in hell.

Comon Hilaac, dont be so argumentative!

"Why are they a majority in both places? I don't know personally"

[StormShadow]

more females than males in the world?

[jalaaludin5]

"Why are they a majority in both places? I don't know personally"

Wrong place to be asking such important question.

Ilaahi gabadha kaa dhigay u mahad celi.

You are blessed.

You are the hand that rocks the cradle of humanity. As a woman i mean.

"God devotes an entire chapter of the Quran, the holy book of Islam, to women. In addition, God directly addresses women repeatedly throughout the Quran. Islam proclaims that all human beings, men and women, are born in a pure state. The goal of every Muslim is to preserve this purity by shunning evil tendencies and beautifying their inner being with virtuous traits".

"In Islamic history, women participated in government, public affairs, lawmaking, scholarship, and teaching. To continue to uphold this tradition, women are encouraged to actively participate in improving, serving, and leading the different aspects of the community".

"In conclusion, Islam has an extensive tradition of protecting the civil liberties of women based on the guidelines set forth by God and His Prophet. Women are empowered with many rights and protections under Islamic law and are honored with a dignified stature in society".

You have been honored in such way and you want to talk about feminism.

You selling yourself short.

[EvolSyawla]

"Why are they a majority in both places? I don't know personally"

Wrong place to be asking such important question.

Ilaahi gabadha kaa dhigay u mahad celi.

You are blessed.

You are the hand that rocks the cradle of humanity. As a woman i mean.

"God devotes an entire chapter of the Quran, the holy book of Islam, to women. In addition, God directly addresses women repeatedly throughout the Quran. Islam proclaims that all human beings, men and women, are born in a pure state. The goal of every Muslim is to preserve this purity by shunning evil tendencies and beautifying their inner being with virtuous traits".

"In Islamic history, women participated in government, public affairs, lawmaking, scholarship, and teaching. To continue to uphold this tradition, women are encouraged to actively participate in improving, serving, and leading the different aspects of the community".

"In conclusion, Islam has an extensive tradition of protecting the civil liberties of women based on the guidelines set forth by God and His Prophet. Women are empowered with many rights and protections under Islamic law and are honored with a dignified stature in society".

You have been honored in such way and you want to talk about feminism.

You selling yourself short.

My pursuit of women taking back what Islam has given us is really not selling ourselves short. I wish you would read what I am asking instead of assuming I just asked a basic question lol. In either case your input has helped me as well, thank you.

Hilaac read his whole post. He mentioned heaven and hell.